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<title>Jerrold</title>
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Editor's note: The comment section of this post has been closed and edited. Due to the nature of the latter portion of the comments (back and forth insults, no constructive debate, personal information posted, profane, lewd and offensive choice of words, etc), comments have been disabled, and a chronological string of comments has been truncated (unpublished, but they all remain in our internal archives).

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<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:21:21 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Rocco</title>
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Ahh Leopold another poster who resorts to petty insults.
It's amazing ALL of my posts are insult free and I get called a neanderthal.
Well Leopold keep your insulting posts going, it truly shows who the rational one in here is.
As far as James I hope he comes back I like to hear how unintelligent I am.
Or lazy or useless etc etc etc.
So have a nice day Leopold( by the way if that is your real name it's a cool name)
If it isn't than why don't you tell me your real name and where you work.
No one in here has been man enough to tell us.
James if thats his real name posted his a consultant.
Yet failed to post where.
Come on Leopold real name and workplace, like I have.
Or are you afraid?
:) :) :) can't forget my smiles for James!]]>
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<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:43:28 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Leopold the Terribly Well-Hung!</title>
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James!

Where are you. man? We're getting our asses kicked by these unionized Neanderthals!

Help meeeeeee...!!!]]>
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<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:47:10 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Rocco</title>
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So in the meantime I've cut and pasted your "glory hole" comments and sent them to Mr.Giambrone.
I hope you send him something as well.
Like I said Lee I've sat across the man one on one to discuss things with him he knows me well.
So before you threaten someone in a gun fight bring a gun and not a knife.
:) :) :)]]>
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<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:00:28 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Rocco</title>
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By the way Lee I'm sure Adam will be impress with your "glory hole", comments.
Real intelligent Lee.]]>
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<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:57:31 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Rocco</title>
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P.S. Please please tell Bob Kinnear and Adam Giambrone.
Bob is proud of how I defend the Union, as for Adam I like the person but I don't work for him. So I'm not really concerned what he thinks of my opinion.]]>
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<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:55:42 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Rocco</title>
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Oh so this is a blog about attacking drivers.
Lee why don't you just do what you normally do and spit on drivers instead of being on here.
Tell me is Lee even your real name?
Rocco is my real name and Adam know me well, I'm not putting my last name on here.That would involve my family and that's none of your business.
By the way Bob Kinnear is looking over my shoulder while I type this post.
As far as Adam like I posted before send him anything you want or call him, email him whatever he knows exactly who Rocco is.
I'm not afraid.
Tell me whar is your real name and where do you work?
Coward!
Come on Lee why don't you post one of your brilliant posts about me and Mike and our glory hole.
Keep turning this blog into a pissing match.
I WILL PISS AS HARD AS YOU CAN!
I WILL DEFEND THE UNION AS MUCH AS YOU SLAM IT.
By the way enjoy your stat holiday this week the one that Unions created for EVERYONE.
Don't kid yourself if you think employers would have given out anything.
If you believe that I'll sell you some swampland in Florida.
So keep it up Lee, no problem I will match you post to post.
Here I'll help you like James.
(a) lazy
(b) overpaid
(c) useless
(d) all of the above


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<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:52:50 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Lee</title>
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and Rocco why don't you tell us your full name first and last and position with the union so that we can let adam giambrone and bob kinnear know about the image one of the union employees is giving to the public. i'm sure they would like to read some of your comments.]]>
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<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:14:41 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Lee</title>
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You guys are way off topic. This isn't a forum to ask questions about TTC problems. It's a comment thread for a blog post about the shitty attitudes of TTC drivers and the propaganda spewed out by their union. If you want to have a Q&A about the TTC go somewhere else. No one here buys your bullshit anyways.]]>
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<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:05:48 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Rocco</title>
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Yes lets get rid of the pissing matches and guys like James who only want to bash for no reason.
Lets WORK TOGETHER!!
Use this forum for concrete ideas.]]>
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<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:44:54 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>mike</title>
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@Randy
Buses, streetcars, subway and LRT have had comm with poilce since the eighties, and that is still currant.]]>
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<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:57:15 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Randy</title>
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Speaking of TTC technology, whatever happened to the phone systems the TTC buses of the mid-1980s had? Why weren't those kept around? I remember drivers on the Finch line to York University using those many times to call the cops around 1983-84.]]>
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<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:47:07 PDT</pubDate>
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Folks, read the front page story in today's Nat'l Post.
We all need to lighten up a bit.
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<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:45:40 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>mike</title>
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You know folks, I think this thread is statring to go in the right direction. If the public has answers to questions they have have on things they don't understand, they will trust the system and it's employees more.
And that's a good thing, no?]]>
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<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:38:21 PDT</pubDate>
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@ Doggiez

First; buses and streetcars already have a silent alarm system to alert police.
Second; The cameras being installed are digital, so constant running or frame capture, they cost the same. Perhaps they would have helped police catch the gangbangers that shot that 9 year old girl on the Jane bus a few years back.
Third; by law, cameras cannot be installed in public restrooms, only overlooking doorways and entrances, besides, there are enough pervs out there doing the skirt thing.
Fourth; all the employees with the exception of perhaps maintenance and garage personnel are already on camera. Look at the next ticket booth you see, they've been on camera for decades. 
Surveillance camers are indispensible police tools in investigating crime on the system. Witness what happened after the London underground  bombings in July, 2005. Images caught on public area cameras were instrumental in not only identifying the bombers, but also helped break up other cells that were planning further attacks. That saved a lot of lives. ]]>
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<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:35:23 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Rocco</title>
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1. Have no idea of the costs, again strictly management decision, could they have got a better deal only they know the answer.
2.No, the reason the TTC and the police want the cameras is to identify someone in the case of a criminal act.
Drivers already have the ability to hit a button and get security attention right away. The cameras also discourage people from doing anything, hopefully.
4. The cameras will not be monitored they are there to TAPE the events, it won't be like a mall security where somone is constantly watching.
They won't be in washrooms.
5. Cameras already monitor collectors booths and not other employees.
Great questions Doggiez I hope these questions help.]]>
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<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:23:19 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Doggiez</title>
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Rocco,

While I think cameras are a good idea, we still need to raise a number of questions:
1. Why spend $21 MILLION on cameras? Good God. How many estimates did the TTC get before coming up with this figure?
2. Would the money not be better spent on some sort of alarm system (flashing lights, etc. on the outside of a TTC vehicle) to alert police and paramedics to a problem? This would be similar to the system installed in many cabs in Toronto.
3. If the TTC does install cameras, is it necessary to have them run 24/7, thereby adding to the cost, or install motion-capture cameras that take a frame ever few seconds? These cost waaayyyyy less!
4. The thing that concerns me the most: abuse by nefarious TTC employees. While I respect many employees, there are bad apples in any organization, and what system(s) would be in place to prevent, say, cameras in women's washrooms, cameras looking up skirts, spy cams, etc? There are far too many examples of this having happened (change rooms, public washrooms, etc.) to list. And if the cameras are wireless, so much greater the potential of abuse.
5. All things considered, will cameras also focus on employees involved behind the scenes, such as on caretakers, ticket collectors, subway workers, garage mechanics, and especially, security?

All points to consider.

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<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:54:14 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Rocco</title>
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One thing I need to explain to you cameras are not a waste of money.
They are there to protect BOTH riders and employees.
They are on ALL vehicles in EVERY major city in the world.
There are too many criminal events happening out there and hopefully these cameras would help discourage that.]]>
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<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:35:17 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Rocco</title>
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Well Karl everything you posted relates to ALL problems created by TTC management and the underfunding of all levels of governement.
The Union has brought ALL those issues to the TTC.
We agree the transfers should have gone by way of the dinosaur.
We have been after them to get rid of them for years.
Thank you Karl finally someone on here with a THOUGHTFUL and INTELLIGENT post.]]>
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<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:25:41 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>karl</title>
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ttc is overrated, the buses/subway smells like shit, you cant even use washroom if your in the system, its bs, if i want to use a clean washroom and jump back into the system, they wont allow me, because I left the subway, the transfer policy is stupid, lets say i use a ticket, get my transfer to go 5 subway stops to attend a quick doctor's appointment, i can't even use that same tranfer to go back home, ttc is run by crooks, they waste money on cameras, instead of cleaner buses, more washrooms, and some decent air freshners. Also why do they allow alcholic bums to pretend that they are subway buskers, and why is that adam jabroni guy always on the news trying to self-promote himself and act like he is the second coming of mother theresa. TTC needs to get rid of the subway tracks,install a monorail system in downtown toronto, create a monorail towards the airport, put a subway station in sauga that connects to kipling, put a subway station in malton, the airport, and brampton, ttc needs to get their heads outta the gutter and start producing some greatness, also put some more sports on the radio.

P.S. TTC has ruined the city of Toronto, that more people will buy cars despite high gas prices, also more people are gonna move to the suburbs where you can drive a big, sexy car in a 3 lane road and not deal with some caker cyclist, or some hairy eye-talian ttc driver named rocco.]]>
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<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 02:05:31 PDT</pubDate>
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