blogTO Recent Comments: York Graduate Arrested in Rape Duo Case: Does this Justify CCTV?

helo

Mon, 01 Sep 2008 22:48:21 PDT

hey so what did this guy get? I mean, that is a lot of charges against him... so he must have gotten like 3 or 5 years or something.

Kirill

Sun, 23 Sep 2007 23:13:22 PDT

"Thus far, media investigations into his background have turned up fairly random tidbits, such as his role as 'Trey' in Kirill Kripak's film Elise (that's a Google cache page, as the original page and trailer have been taken offline) and his attempts to start an after-school sports program for children, but in my eyes none of this is really anything more than filling in news space while awaiting the release of more information." Thank-you. And the sooner people stop calling/emailing me asking about commenting about Danny the better. The wonders of the internet, eh?

Annnonn

Sat, 22 Sep 2007 22:25:47 PDT

Nobody gives a crap what else is going on it that video. Turns out the rapist comes from a good family,,,dresses well and is even good looking to a lot of women. The detectives were looking for a systematic pattern of behaviour that seemed unusual n the video and clearly narrowed in on the right guy as he turned himself in. The remainder of the video is irrelevant. If god forbid a murder were to happen on campus it would be nice to know a camera caught it right? They don't have camera's in class rooms or bathrooms or dorm rooms so i really dont see an invasion of privacy. Every elevator you ride in has one,,,very store you shop in has one,,,,every cab you ride in has one....there are cameras everywhere...why not keep our campus safe. Just don;t pick your nose in public stuges.

Eric S. Smith

Sat, 22 Sep 2007 08:42:15 PDT

Ronkonkoma: …people who have something to hide, or feel they might one day have something to hide. Like rapists.

Or witches.

Surveillance video will inevitably be archived. How else will you catch the serial rapist or terrorist cell or loitering pedophile or coven of witches? Digital storage is cheap, and you want that footage in computery form anyway to take advantage of advances in face and gait recognition, pattern analysis, and so on.

So one day I go class or the library or shopping for milk in a FREE KEVIN T-shirt, and then six months later War Games gets remade and there's an anti-hax0r flap and suddenly I'm getting stalked, tackled, and shot repeatedly in the head by elite dumbshits. Or you have a TAXATION IS THEFT shirt and then two years later the Evil Communists come to power and decide to persecute Randbots. Or the guy down the street with the Megadeth hat gets rounded up after a dirty-bomb scare.

But I couldn't possibly be making these arguments unless I were a prospective rapist, eh?

Chris Orbz

Sat, 22 Sep 2007 04:12:16 PDT

"If you're doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide" is a common line used in such situations. Alan Borovoy of the Canadian Civil Liberties Association once said, "If you have nothing to hide, you live a really boring life." Rape, murder, robbery, burglary, etc is one thing... but what about, y'know, reefer? We're lucky in Toronto to have a police force that is sensible enough not to be actively hunting down pot smokers, so it's unlikely anyone will hear a knock on their door over a Yorkdale camera recording their doobage... but nonetheless, there are excruciatingly-well-established precedents for governments imposing controls that are not beneficial to the citizenry subjected to them, and CCTV can be wielded as a weapon as much as a tool.

Tabish Bhimani

Fri, 21 Sep 2007 22:51:25 PDT

oh and sorry, but btw, I agree on the description bit because my house don at winters college matches the exact description of one of the suspects and he said he's staying away from Vanier. But I think we might get an open forum to discuss whats going on as we have a right to know. Contact Chantall Joy for more information (look up her info at the york directory).

Tabish Bhimani

Fri, 21 Sep 2007 22:48:06 PDT

Hmm...I wonder if I can link this article to my blog?

Ronkonkoma

Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:46:07 PDT

The only people who'd argue against cameras on private property that they don't own (regardless of fees they pay to use) are people who have something to hide, or feel they might one day have something to hide. Like rapists. Don't let yo mama tell you any different.

Eric S. Smith

Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:58:11 PDT

I don't think you can argue against CCTV on private property.

Well, one can argue against anything, but, more to the point, a University is a community with its more- and less-public spaces and is certainly the beneficiary of public funding. If nobody else, the members of the University community can argue for or against surveillance in their spaces just as much as we all can in more-obviously-public spaces.

Steven Chabot

Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:31:10 PDT

Roper: "So now you give the Devil the benefit of law?" More: "Yes. What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?" Roper: "I'd cut down every tree in England to do that!" More: "Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned round on you ? where would you hide, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws from coast to coast...and if you cut them down ? and you're just the man to do it ? do you really think you could stand upright in the winds which would blow then? Yes, I give the devil benefit of the law for my own safety sake." A Man for All Seasons

Michael

Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:44:05 PDT

I don't think you can argue against CCTV on private property. No one is forcing anyone to attend a university with CCTV. You would be consenting to cameras when you agree to be a student. The tricky situation is with cameras in public space. Space we all own, and there is no implied consent.

Ryan C.

Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:28:33 PDT

"hose in favour, such as our Ryan Couldrey, argue that the notion of an invasion of privacy in a public space is nonsensical and seeking to protect it is protecting something that is non-existent to begin with." Boo-Yaa! I'm famous!