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<title>blogTO Recent Comments: You Didn't Get the Message Because We Didn't Have $150,000</title>
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<title>anada FB admin</title>
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Can anybody add or remove group admins & officers to a group with +4000 members?

Our group wont list any of our members & find nothing when i search for members]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/09/you_didnt_get_the_message_because_we_didnt_have_150000/#c279444</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:57:56 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Adam Lopez</title>
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Yay BlogTO & Toronto After Dark - we did it! (exagerration I know, but hey any search on facebook messaging limit and outrage and this thread came up high on google, so I am sure someone took note. 
- Adam]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/09/you_didnt_get_the_message_because_we_didnt_have_150000/#c238799</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:16:15 PST</pubDate>
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<title>Ryan C</title>
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Hey Dave.

As of about a week ago, it looks like Facebook has made changes to the group messaging limits. BlogTO has been able to send notes to group members.

Possibly because of the bit of outrage? I dunno, but all looks better now. Not working for you?]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/09/you_didnt_get_the_message_because_we_didnt_have_150000/#c231641</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 17:46:37 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>dave meslin</title>
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I finally got a personal response from Facebook today.  They are denying the group limit change:

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[dave@cityidol.to]:

Please don't send me the form letter response to questions about group messaging.

What is going on?  Has the limit been lowered from 1000?  People are feeling really let down.  You're going to start losing people fast.  ; (

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On 16-Oct, Sebby from Facebook wrote:

Hi Dave,

We are aware of the problem that you described and hope to resolve it as soon as possible. Sorry for any inconvenience. Let me know if you have any further questions.

Thanks for contacting Facebook,

Sebby
Customer Support Representative
Facebook

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[dave@cityidol.to]:


Hi,

I asked you in my letter specifically not to "send me the form letter response".  Then, after three days,  you sent me the form letter response.

My question was:  "Has the limit been lowered from 1000?".  It's not a 'problem'.  It's a question.

~ dave meslin
FaceBook user


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Hi Dave,

The limit has not been lowered from 1000. We are aware of the problem with groups that you have described and are working to resolve this problem. We apologize for the inconvenience. Let me know if you have more questions.

Thanks for contacting Facebook,

Sebby
Customer Support Representative
Facebook
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:47:55 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Liam Tolan</title>
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Thanks! Similarly I am in a local band in Essex England and I have started an event to promote our debut single release. It became very popular with facebook users and have over 800 confirmed guests (sales) however, inviting people, who I know and are friends resulted in my accoutn being diabled, now all of the hard work in getting the group/event up and running to promote the single has been deleted by the 'wonderful' people of facebook and now potentially wrecked the sales from the single. If they ahd told me their limits in advance then maybe I would have knon only to tell some of my friends at a time about it. 

It is in fact an unsocial network! Only for unpopular people, maybe the kind of unpopular people that built facebook in the first places.

Thank you to the boys in blue   x]]>
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<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/09/you_didnt_get_the_message_because_we_didnt_have_150000/#c231231</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 10:36:47 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Alison C.</title>
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Thanks for the info.  This has happened to my group as well.  The biggest reason I'm annoyed is that it is impossible to find that limit stated anywhere.  I mean really, how hard is that to post in a FAQ page? Or GIVE SOME FREAKING INDICATION  it didn't actually send after you hit submit?   Also, by ignoring the issue, they are leaving money on the table.  They could be charging a per message fee.  Guess they don't want our money.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/09/you_didnt_get_the_message_because_we_didnt_have_150000/#c228432</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 10:03:03 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Kevin Bracken</title>
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This is why having your own (real) e-mail list is essential for anybody who wants to announce anything. Damn ye, Facebook!]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/09/you_didnt_get_the_message_because_we_didnt_have_150000/#c227901</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/09/you_didnt_get_the_message_because_we_didnt_have_150000/#c227901</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:10:20 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Ryan C</title>
<description><![CDATA[
Sorry, I meant to say Qu?becois knock-off.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/09/you_didnt_get_the_message_because_we_didnt_have_150000/#c226765</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/09/you_didnt_get_the_message_because_we_didnt_have_150000/#c226765</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:50:36 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Christina</title>
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Actually, I find it pretty annoying getting loads of Facebook messages every day from various groups I've joined. I'd rather get an event invitation directly - that makes SO much more sense to me. Whether or not that's possible with the way groups are set up, I don't really know. But it's how I'd prefer to be notified of anything time-sensitive.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/09/you_didnt_get_the_message_because_we_didnt_have_150000/#c226192</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:57:26 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Chris Orbz</title>
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It may make sense from their administrative office perspective when they run the numbers, but as has been said already this sort of behaviour is just them whacking themselves in the knees with hammers for money and without being a useful site to your users first and foremost you can't possibly expect to be a revenue-generating site even if you have every corporation on the planet on your side.

The less there is on Facebook for me, the less I go on, the less I see any of the sponsored crap... at this point it seems like they've lost track of the original site purpose in a lot of ways and are hoping stupid "food fight" applications will keep their traffic addicted.

It doesn't matter that everyone uses Facebook now, because every single person who uses Facebook made a decision based on its features (and its features relative to other sites) to sign up and start using it, and if Facebook thinks that being Facebook.com is going to save them no matter how useless the site gets, they must be new to the internet.

Everyone used to use Geocities too, the net hordes can leave in swarms just as easily as they can arrive in them.]]>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:24:53 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Alison</title>
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Well said Duane.. my view comes from the ad agency side too. I guess my point would have gone across better if I had put it into perspective the way you did!

I've had experience with "client X" thinking the internet was a way to get free advertising. Basically saying the Cokes and Apples of the world were stupid for paying for these packages, because why couldn't they just go above Facebook and set up their own promotional group for free?

Sucks for things like BlogTO and the After Dark Film Festival, yes, but I can totally understand why they did it.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/09/you_didnt_get_the_message_because_we_didnt_have_150000/#c226086</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/09/you_didnt_get_the_message_because_we_didnt_have_150000/#c226086</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:27:12 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Duane Brown</title>
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Hey Ryan

I know all about the price tag, as I'm getting a couple clients on Facebook for work. $150,000 may seem high, but what you get for it is actually pretty worth while. It's more then what most people can afford. 

When you look at what Apple, BMW, Virgin and Red Bull has done with Sponsored groups starting at $150,000 they are pretty sweet. Thanks for the post Ryan, I'll need to keep this in mind when talking with clients.]]>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 04:11:26 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>jack</title>
<description><![CDATA[
Tim should get a 2nd mortgage to pay for the 150k]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/09/you_didnt_get_the_message_because_we_didnt_have_150000/#c226005</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/09/you_didnt_get_the_message_because_we_didnt_have_150000/#c226005</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:47:57 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Alison</title>
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Crabby nothing. I agreed that the fee is high and the lack of notice unfair. All I'm saying is that you don't have to make such a huge deal about it. Maybe you're the one who's being all crabby.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/09/you_didnt_get_the_message_because_we_didnt_have_150000/#c226001</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/09/you_didnt_get_the_message_because_we_didnt_have_150000/#c226001</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:36:26 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Adam Lopez</title>
<description><![CDATA[
Absolutely Jerrold.  Facebook Group Messaging worked like gangbusters for Toronto After Dark Film Festival.  I tested sending e-mails out to our newsletter list (over 2,000 subscribers at the time) vs. sending a facebook message to 300 members of our group.  Guess what? We had much better response from facebook messaging than the larger e-mailing.   People join groups they are interested in on facebook, and they also love to read their facebook mail.  Combine the two and you have the best way of keeping in touch with your readers/supporters/members of your indie/arts/community/cultural group/event/blog I have ever seen.   The promise of keeping in touch was amazing, but then we all got screwed over when they pulled the rug out from under us.  That's why we are all so peed - both at blogTo and Toronto After Dark.  I keep seeing groups now going over 500, 600 or 1,000, like Magic Pony, or closer to my fest, the Zombie Walk, and my heart sinks.  They did such a good job of attracting followers on Facebook, but now they've become victimized - never to be able to communicate with their members again. None of us should be paying the corporate rate of $150,000 - maybe a token rate, like $100 a year, I wouldn't have a problem with, because it genuinely is better than e-mail.  But there is nothing there for us in place right now.  Cheesed off,
- Adam ]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/09/you_didnt_get_the_message_because_we_didnt_have_150000/#c225997</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:10:14 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Jerrold</title>
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The mass mailing feature on FB offered opportunities that web posts and rss feeds don't - by landing in the email inboxes of several hundred subscribers in one mouse click. People check their email many times each day, but may visit a web page or check their rss far less often. Seems pretty simple to me, Alison. I'm not sure why expressing our frustration with losing this valued feature is making you all crabby.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/09/you_didnt_get_the_message_because_we_didnt_have_150000/#c225995</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/09/you_didnt_get_the_message_because_we_didnt_have_150000/#c225995</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:37:19 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>jack</title>
<description><![CDATA[
"taiwanese knock off"? that's pretty racist!]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/09/you_didnt_get_the_message_because_we_didnt_have_150000/#c225993</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/09/you_didnt_get_the_message_because_we_didnt_have_150000/#c225993</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:19:13 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Alison</title>
<description><![CDATA[
Soo... while I agree that Facebook should have told you about the changed limit, and that the amount they're asking for is fairly high, I'm pretty sure you can easily find a way around it. 

How about.. making a blog post whenever you have something to tell people?

Oh right.. you think that people who are into your blog enough to join the Facebook group aren't into your blog enough to read it on a regular basis. K scratch that.

Ok then.. there's this new thing called "Rich Site Summary" or "Real Simple Syndication".. aka <a href="http://www.google.ca/search?q=define%3A+rss&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a">RSS</a>. Oh right.. you have that. (although not the <a href="http://feedicons.com/">standard icon</a>, so not as noticeable)

So.. what are you saying here? You're concerned that people who don't actually care about your blog won't get news about your blog? Oh well then, I guess I can understand why you're so upset.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/09/you_didnt_get_the_message_because_we_didnt_have_150000/#c225981</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:52:40 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Zach</title>
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p.s. why would FB do this?! It is a very strange move.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/09/you_didnt_get_the_message_because_we_didnt_have_150000/#c225961</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:13:30 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Zach</title>
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This just happened to my group and I had no idea why! Thanks for the info. I had an email into FB, but they haven't gotten back to me yet.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/09/you_didnt_get_the_message_because_we_didnt_have_150000/#c225959</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:03:46 PDT</pubDate>
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