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<title>blogTO Recent Comments: This pit is now safe? 14 alleged swarmers arrested</title>
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<title>Matt</title>
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I agree with you, Tuggs, it would be pretty hard to argue the "they're just innocent children who didn't know any better" line, given the degree of premeditation (and repetition!) of these attacks.]]>
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<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 09:24:04 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>rocco</title>
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gangs used to "swarm" people in NYC back in the late '90s. are you all too young to remember that? scary]]>
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<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 16:49:07 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>KL</title>
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I completely agree, tuggs.  I hope the 17 year-olds at the very least are prosecuted as adults.]]>
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<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:09:39 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>tuggs</title>
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Just me, or does the whole "young offenders act" seem a little bit messed up?

When you are doing something as deliberate as a swarm-attack, this is a planned thing, and something that kids SHOULD know better than doing.

Its one thing if its a stupid kid who swipes a CD from a store, or a school-yard fight - but its another thing when a kids who are in their late teens decide "Hey, its late night, we are bored, lack supervision - lets go out and gang up on people in a park", they deserve no protection that the young offenders act provides them.
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<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:47:01 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Japhet</title>
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I hope they caught the right guys and I hope they go away for a long, long time.

I especially hope we never meet up.]]>
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<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 05:06:25 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Matt</title>
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I'm with you KL, the degree of unwarranted "parting gifts" style violence in these crimes was particularly disconcerting. ]]>
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<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:03:54 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Kay</title>
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Guilty or not aside, being "young offenders" tends to mean higher chance of letting them walk, which solves nothing. We wonder why kids do this when the risk is a lot lower then it should be.]]>
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<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:51:14 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>KL</title>
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These crimes were particularly violent.  They were not swarmings where they took your iPod and ran - they were swarmings where they took your iPod, broke some bones and then ran.

Several people were hospitalized with serious injuries that require dedicated physio rehab.

I live in this neighborhood, and yes, I'm glad the people they arrested are off the streets.  Want my wallet?  Fine, you can have my wallet over my kids not having a father.  But beating me down *after* i give you my wallet?  F*ck you, go away for life.]]>
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<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:13:57 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Tom</title>
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Ya in Ottawa I started hearing about them about 5 years ago I think. They happened in parks, but most often near big box strip malls at night.

It's crazy how often headlines in newspapers suggest guilt, especially on the more serious/violent crimes. Libel laws in Canada don't seem to get exercised very often in connection with headlines much, so the media doesn't seem to change.]]>
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<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:28:24 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Dave</title>
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Diane, 

Swarming took off in Halifax in about 2005. I'd never heard anything like it for years, then nearly everyone I spoke to had some incident to report. A horrible one just happened there the other day. ]]>
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<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:26:44 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>x_the_x</title>
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The presumption of innocence is a legal presumption, i.e., something an accused is entitled to in court when being prosecuted for the alleged crimes.  The insistence made here (and, frequently, in response to other media assessments of crime or arrests) that the media restrain itself from, as is done here, describing the arrests or, as is done elsewhere, assessing the evidence against the accused is, frankly, silly.   
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<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:12:35 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Matt</title>
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Happens every time, I go out for a couple of hours and all hell breaks loose on one of my posts.

The title error was mine. I make no presumption of the guilt of the arrested parties, and thanks to Jerrold for changing it in my absence.

My presumption was merely that the immediate issue of these swarmings, which prompted the police warning, has been temporarily "resolved," or at least direct action has been taken.]]>
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<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:30:43 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>ramster</title>
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oops, Schr?dinger's=Schrodinger's]]>
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<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:28:15 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>ramster</title>
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Ryan Oakley. Before these arrests, the probability that the "swarmers" were still at large was close to 100%. Now it's less than 100%. Some might argue that it's 100% and zero simultaneously, given the uncertainty of their guilt. Sort of like Schr?dinger's cat. Don't fret though, regardless of whether they're found guilty or innocent, as young offenders, they'll be back swarming soon enough.]]>
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<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:20:59 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Jerrold</title>
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I've edited the title and body slightly.]]>
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<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:47:35 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>uSkyscraper</title>
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I think what Canadians refer to as "swarming" would be simply called "mugging" elswehere.  You can't even find a reference on Wikipedia to swarming as referring to a group mugging.]]>
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<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:42:31 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Ryan Oakley</title>
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And sorry if I was unclear - I'm not comparing these kids to Truscott.  I'm just saying that people --especially those in the media-- should avoid leaping to conclusions.  I would think the media would operate with a bit more caution --for a least a few days-- after that large, awful and public of a debacle.  

For God's sake, the police didn't even need to give their press conference before BlogTO declared Christie Pits safe.  It's totally irresponsible.  ]]>
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<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:36:01 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Ryan Oakley</title>
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Read the title Jerrold.  That's not an assumption of guilt?

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<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:26:58 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Jerrold</title>
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You don't think that swarmings happen often in Bangkok? London? Paris? Moscow? Montreal? We've had swarmings in society since we were neanderthals.]]>
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<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:24:54 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>steve</title>
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i think the comparison to truscott is a little over the top. truscott was wrongly convicted of rape and murder and sentenced to hang. these kids haven't even been convicted yet and when they do they'll most likely get probation.]]>
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<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:22:07 PDT</pubDate>
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