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<title>Cynthia</title>
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<p>No one lives on Sheppard except for the Sheppard/Yonge area? Tell that to the people who live in the condos on Bayview!</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Seriously, Council never should have approved their salary increase. Maybe they should UNapprove it.</p>]]>
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<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:15:55 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>wally</title>
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that&#39;s a great photo whoever took it!]]>
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<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 23:00:21 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>justin...</title>
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<p>Just reading these comments and wanted to thank thickslab for saying everything I wanted to say (including the insults - sorry Craig - I don&#39;t think you are stupid , just your thoughts on the issue). </p><p>I&#39;ve created a handy guide for anyone who wants to guage their own thoughts on the issues at City Hall:</p><p>If &lt;x&#39;s idea/opinion&gt; equals &lt;Rob Ford&#39;s idea/opinon&gt;, then &lt;x&#39;s idea/opinion&gt; is likely really stupid. &lt;x&gt; does not equal &lt;x&#39;s idea/opinion&gt; but &lt;Rob Ford&gt; is a complete idiot.&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/07/no_more_sheppard_subway/#c210873</link>
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<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:59:21 PDT</pubDate>
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<p>I guess the TTC should be disbanded as an unefficient and money-losing service. And it&#39;s time to check up and ask Mr. Miller about the efficiency of spending our tax money.</p>]]>
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<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 20:44:18 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>brokenengine</title>
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<p>Can we impeach the entire council?&nbsp; Can we have a coup?&nbsp; they obviously are PISS POOR at their jobs, and won&#39;t even take a pay cut to help out.&nbsp; Screw their constituents, they can&#39;t possibly take a pay cut.</p><p>We can rise up and overthrow them, just like the Rose revolution, but this one would be a trillium revolution!&nbsp;&nbsp;</p><p>Oh, wait, this is apathetic Toronto...&nbsp;</p>]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/07/no_more_sheppard_subway/#c210379</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:15:05 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>aidan</title>
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This city is larger than most provinces.&nbsp; This city is getting screwed by its province.&nbsp; Hmm...&nbsp; Anyone reading a constitutional lawyer?&nbsp; I&#39;d vote for succession in an instant.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/07/no_more_sheppard_subway/#c210347</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:39:36 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Craig</title>
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You do bring up some good points which is that, for example, reducing "waste" via the approved future methods will most likely not generate the needed funding.  I agree completely when you state that province is giving us the old fork in the eye.  

Would be fun if Toronto, in protest of the Federal Government's refusal to give 1 cent of the GST, would hold a "don't pay GST day" for Torontonians.  This would send a clear message that we are all fed up with the bullshit with lack of federal funding.

I'm not sure how the federal government would react, or how they would punish, but it's fun to day-dream about what would happen if toronto businesses were encouraged not to charge GST for a day haha.  Sadly I am sure they would be the ones punished..

A possible way to save money I think would be to cut plans for the subway line extension to York University.  I used to go to York University, and frankly public transit there is adequate.  I really don't feel that a subway line headed to York U is necessary, but perhaps a LRT (light rail transit) would suffice, cost less money and save the city some cash.

Just ideas.
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<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:14:14 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>thickslab</title>
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My apologies for the insult, Craig.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/07/no_more_sheppard_subway/#c210228</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:08:45 PDT</pubDate>
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<p>Craig, I&#39;m not a Miller supporter. I have nothing to do with him and no connection to him whatsoever. I&#39;m just a regular guy. </p><p>&nbsp;I&#39;m just pissed oiff at the stupidity of city councillors who voted against taxes (without proposing any alternatives of their own aside from idiotic &quot;let&#39;s get rid of waste&quot; bullshit, as if reducing &quot;waste&quot; can generate $500 million in cuts) and then complain when the consequences of that vote are made clear, consequences which should have been clear to anyone who&#39;s paid attention to politics in this city since 2000. </p><p>&nbsp;None of this is news, and it was made very clear that with no reserves left, the city has hit a brick wall. There is no more cash lying around. If there are going to be no new taxes and no new provincial/federal funding, then the only thing left to do is cut spending by the $500 million necessary. It&#39;s not grandstanding, it&#39;s simple cause and effect.&nbsp;</p>]]>
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<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:04:19 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>benjamin</title>
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<p align="justify">&nbsp;Well it seems that everyone is passionate about this subject...I really believe the solution is Torontonians....only the people of this city have the ability to change what happens. If more people choose to drive, then they will make more roads...If more people are taking transit...then more will have to be provided...right now, these actions from city are the result of our own district councilors..they represent the issues for us...if they don&#39;t seem to be speaking out in your favour then maybe you all should do something....everyone wants things done but very few are willing to drive for those changes to occur....what side of the fence do you want to stand on.....?&nbsp; </p><p>&nbsp;it doesn&#39;t matter what we say here....what matters is how we act when these issues affect us and we choose not to take a stand...? </p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp; </p>]]>
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<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:01:42 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Craig</title>
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Jesus, you continue with the name calling.  You only serve to make yourself look bad.

You must be the biggest David Miller Supporter i've ever seen! ;)  Land Transfer Tax was a joke, i'm sorry.  Vehicle Registration Fee I have no problems/gripes with.

There is quite a large number of individuals in this city, councillors included, who view these threats (ie. shutting down sheppard subway line) as bullying/fear tactics aimed at councillors who voted against these taxes.

I don't think this is the way to do it.  I am sure there are other ways to aid the budget crisis other then immediately suggesting to shutdown a subway line.  Maybe i'm just CRAZZZZYYY and STUPIIDDDD as you suggest, but I guess you'd then be pointing your finger at a rather large mass of intellects in this City who feel the same way.

I like this debate, it's quite amusing.  You are definately the staunchest supporter next to Miller himself when it comes to this issue.  I am almost inclined to think that you are somehow tied to him, as stupid/silly as it sounds (and probably not true either).

By the way, I voted for the NDP and David Miller.  For the most part he has done a relatively good job.  Just not impressed with the latest happenings.

If you want to turn this thread into an insult fest, by all means go ahead.  I will participate no further if I need read "you are stupid" once more.

I'm sorry to hear about your bus.

To get to work I take a street car, subway, and then a YRT transfer at Finch.  Ergo, I am quite a frequent user of the TTC, primarily for environmental reasons.]]>
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<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:55:57 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>thickslab</title>
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<p>Craig: What relevance is where I live or whether I drive a car?</p><p>&nbsp;I&#39;m not slamming transit, as anyone with adult reading comprehension could see. I&#39;m pointing out that these cuts are a consequence of the vote by foolish City Councillors who didn&#39;t want to levy necessary taxes. It&#39;s not grandstanding, it&#39;s cause and effect.</p><p>&nbsp;The bus I take to work is one of the ones that &nbsp;will likely be cancelled, leaving me no way to get to work. I don&#39;t have a car, so I&#39;ll be fucked over. Do you think I want these cuts? I&#39;m simply pointing out that they were inevitable given the idiotic decision not to raise taxes.&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;Tell me Craig, where in the GTA do you live and why are you so stupid?&nbsp;</p>]]>
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<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:15:59 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Craig</title>
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Thickslab,

So where exactly in the GTA do you live and do you enjoy driving your car?]]>
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<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:53:12 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>thickslab</title>
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<p><span style="text-align: left" class="Apple-style-span">Saskboy writes:</span></p><p><span style="font-style: italic" class="Apple-style-span">&nbsp;</span><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; text-align: left" class="Apple-style-span"><span style="font-style: italic" class="Apple-style-span">Is Toronto getting more than its fair share of public funds then?</span></span></p><p>&nbsp;Try less, much less.&nbsp;Toronto gets billions less each year from the province and the federal government than it pays in taxes.</p><p><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; text-align: left" class="Apple-style-span">&nbsp;<span style="font-style: italic" class="Apple-style-span">without tapping the rest of the country for money other people generated.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande" class="Apple-style-span">That&#39;s priceless. We&#39;re paying a big chunk of your bills out there, folks. Meanwhile places like Saskatchewan, which have been receiving equalization money for years, want to have their cake and eat it too. Nobody begrudges the rest of the country a fair deal in equalization money, but&nbsp;</span></p>]]>
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<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:21:04 PDT</pubDate>
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<span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; text-align: left" class="Apple-style-span"><p>Craig writes:</p><p>&lt;i&gt;Maybe if the city properly managed their budget in the first place then these issues wouldn&#39;t happen.  I find it quite ammusing that the mayor starts complaining that we have to start counting pennies when he goes and spends millions on renovating his office.&lt;/i&gt;</p><p>&nbsp;Yawn. &quot;Maybe if the city properly&nbsp;managed their [budget].&quot; This just goes to show that you have no idea what you&#39;re talking about. This city is run pretty darn efficiently, and there&#39;s no way to get more than $500 million out of the city&#39;s budget in &quot;efficiencies.&quot; It&#39;s just not possible. And when cuts are suggested, people complain. WELL, WHAT IS IT THAT YOU WANT?</p><p>As for the renovations to Miller&#39;s office, they were cancelled.</p><p>&lt;i&gt;You are right that the city deserves more money from the Province.  But slamming public transit?  The streets are already congested enough, now you want to take away transit services so people have to be forced to use cars?&lt;/i&gt;</p><p>&nbsp;It has nothing to do with slamming transit. The city is more than $500 million in the hole and it needs to make cuts somewhere. Transit is, unfortunately, one of the few places where it has the ability to make cuts in operating budgets.&nbsp;Where else - police? firefighters? Those have been asked to make cuts too. Half the city&#39;s budget is mandated by the province and is not under city control.</p><p>&lt;i&gt;I think a better idea would be to establish tolls on the inner city highways, etc.  That would generate quite a significant amount of revenue, and also discourage vehicle use.&lt;/i&gt;</p><p>Do you really think that the councillors who voted against the motor registration fees and the land transfer tax would vote for road tolls? Even if they did, getting a road toll system in place on inner city highways would take some time; it would require an up-front expense and wouldn&#39;t generate money until the toll system is in place. And what if council voted against road tolls? Then where would it get money? The city would still need to make cuts.</p><p>&lt;i&gt;There&#39;s no need to be calling people &quot;stupid&quot; just because your opinion differs from someone else.  I can&#39;t believe how ignorant some people like you are in this city.&lt;/i&gt;</p><p>People who think $570 million can be sucessfully cut out of $4 billion in non-mandated spending simply by reducing waste&nbsp;are in fact stupid. It&#39;s people like you who think that the city is not in a huge fiscal crisis and who think that this is just grandstanding who are ignorant.&nbsp;</p></span>]]>
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<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:14:50 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>degroovy</title>
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Casino eh?&nbsp; All we need is a catchy name with some sex appeal... Mr. Burns&#39; Casino!]]>
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<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:13:22 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Ryan</title>
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Waterfront Casino.&nbsp; What better way to bring money in and start revitalizing the waterfront at the same time.&nbsp; The Casino -WILL- bring people in, it&#39;s a fact of life.&nbsp; Businesses will follow.&nbsp; Of course, chances are the island residents would complain, like they do when construction is planned for anything within a 10 km radius.]]>
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<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:51:32 PDT</pubDate>
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<p>I think the Sheppard line should be subsidized by Ikea, &#39;cause really, where else is there to go on the Sheppard line? &nbsp;(just kidding)</p><p>Seriously, I can&#39;t believe that people think this is actually Miller&#39;s&nbsp;retaliation&nbsp;for not getting his way. &nbsp;He didn&#39;t want to increase the taxes in the first place. &nbsp;</p><p>This is what happens when we have a hick running our country. &nbsp;Harper and the old farts in Ottawa can&#39;t relate to us city-folk, so they&#39;re doing nothing to support our growth since there&#39;s no oil involved. &nbsp;Maybe this will get people to get off their asses and vote next time?</p>]]>
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<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:43:53 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>serotonin</title>
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Chris above is right about the Sheppard line. It may have been the wrong idea initially, but 5 years on it has begun to become integerated into the area, and is no longer as &quot;unnecessary&quot; as it was once considered.<div><br /></div><div>The reality is that the often criticized condos may be a huge help in keeping the line alive. There is millions of dollars being invested by developers in condos all along the line, and the shutdown of the Sheppard line would create major hassles for these projects &ndash; many of which have yet to break ground.</div><div><br /></div><div>Miller might not care about the citizens of his city, but with developers and businesses stepping it, it at least might add some needed weight to our side.</div>]]>
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<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:40:54 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Craig</title>
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Thickslab,

Maybe if the city properly managed their budget in the first place then these issues wouldn't happen.  I find it quite ammusing that the mayor starts complaining that we have to start counting pennies when he goes and spends millions on renovating his office.

laugh.

You are right that the city deserves more money from the Province.  But slamming public transit?  The streets are already congested enough, now you want to take away transit services so people have to be forced to use cars?

I think a better idea would be to establish tolls on the inner city highways, etc.  That would generate quite a significant amount of revenue, and also discourage vehicle use.

There's no need to be calling people "stupid" just because your opinion differs from someone else.  I can't believe how ignorant some people like you are in this city.]]>
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<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:32:14 PDT</pubDate>
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