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<title>Julia</title>
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I DO NOT recommend taking Porter. My experiences have been horrible. When I fly from NY (really the NJ airport) to Toronto there are constant delays and cancellations. Furthermore, they NEVER reimburse you, (even after I submitted a formal written letter with their customer service office.) What they don’t tell you when you book your flight is that if your flight is scheduled to land after 11pm (which frequently happens when there are delays) YOUR ARE LANDING AT PEARSON, completely eliminating the convenience of the airline, which is a main reason to fly with them.  DONT DO IT. It may sound tempting but you will regret it later, when you are delayed for 4 hours, or sitting in an airport lounge when they cancel flights because they are not full enough.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/08/to_to_mtl_the_porter_experience/#c684823</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:37:40 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Solita</title>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/08/to_to_mtl_the_porter_experience/#c602448</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 21:50:18 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>d</title>
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people, please don't fly with porter.  the staff are rude and obnoxious.  my flight was delayed for 4hrs and they gave me free donuts to compensate.  the attendents knew my the plane from Toronto hadn't left yet and just told everyone that it was only a half an hour delayed.  When we finally arrived in toronto (2am) they didn't even tell us that we would be landing in the middle of no where and that a shuttle bus was coming.

I got home at 4am.

I hate porter and will never fly with them again.
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/08/to_to_mtl_the_porter_experience/#c387926</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 02:12:10 PST</pubDate>
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<title>Scott</title>
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I've travelled by Porter to Ottawa a number of times this past year.  I can leave home (by cab) near Yonge and Eglinton at about 6am, catch the 7am flight for Ottawa and be downtown Ottawa at 8:30.  This leaves me time to have some coffee before a 9am meeting.

From where I live, going through Pearson isn't going to take a lot longer, but I don't find Pearson a particularly pleasant experience at 6 o'clock in the morning.  Taking a ferry ride to the Island is a much better way to start your day.  It's also going to be about $30 cheaper ($20-25 vs $50-55) to go to the island by cab versus Pearson.

Getting home from Pearson at 5-6pm at the end of the day can be an adventure and takes about an hour by cab.  Coming from the island is much quicker and cheaper.  This of course varies depending where you live.

Going to montreal, getting from the airport to downtown can take quite a while, but you still should be able to make a 9am meeting if you take the 6:45 am flight -- which means you should be aiming for the 6:15 ferry.

You simply can't take VIA to get to morning meetings in Montreal or Ottawa unless you go the night before.  At it means coming home pretty late at night (I think there is a 6pm train from Ottawa that pulls in around 10pm).

Back in the days when it cost $800 to go to Ottawa, I took VIA a few times.  My biggest issues with it were that it took too long (4 hours is starting to be a bit of a journey -- like flying out west) and you can't smoke.  If they added a smoking car, I'd give it consideration.

When the price is similar between flying and taking the train, I don't think the train looks like an attractive option at all.

Also consider, that for people coming TO Toronto for meetings, it is much easier to get from the island to downtown offices that it is to come in on the Gardiner and 427 at 8am.   ]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/08/to_to_mtl_the_porter_experience/#c221072</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 08:49:12 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Mark Dowling</title>
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<p>There&#39;s also London City Airport in the docklands of London, UK, beside the Canary Wharf Financial District.&nbsp; Hey, with the Leslie Spit washing the islands away we won&#39;t have to worry about it in maybe 20 years! </p>]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/08/to_to_mtl_the_porter_experience/#c217395</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 09:44:49 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Chester Pape</title>
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You&#39;ve bought into one of the urban myths that the airports opponents spread (that&#39;s kinder than calling then what they are lies). Chicago&#39;s sitation does not compare, Miegs field was smaller and even less used than YTZ and had no commercial traffic. <strong>Chicago still has an urban airport, Midway</strong>. Of course New York lands large commercial jets in Queens within view of Manhattan, at Laguardia, you can see Lower Manhattan and Ground Zero from Newark Airport, and Teterborough is also only a short distance away. Yet the 9-11 planes originated in Boston.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/08/to_to_mtl_the_porter_experience/#c217365</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 07:27:44 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Shirley</title>
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<p>I had enjoyed the convenience and comfort of flying Porter for a few business trips - with much guilty conscience.&nbsp; However, looking at the&nbsp;bigger picture, instead of thinking of only the efficiency or environmental footprint of *the trip*, do we as Torontonians / Canadians want a downtown airport at the harbourfront of our city?&nbsp; The people of Chicago did not.&nbsp; The traffic to Charles de Galle in Paris is terrible, but do the Parisans want to have an airport in the middle of the city of light?&nbsp; How about New York City - what will the security risk they have to take to land small commercial jet on Staten Island?&nbsp; I think there are always pros and cons in these decisions.&nbsp;If we do want a city with a beautiful and&nbsp;accessable waterfront, we need to make the decision.&nbsp; A high speed train linking the airport to the downtown core is essential for a big city like ours.&nbsp; We need the vision and political leadership to make it happen. </p><p>Sometimes, I feel what we need is a friendly, customer-centric airline.&nbsp;&nbsp;Aside from the Bombardier regional jet, some of those trains we see in commercials would be nice.&nbsp; Isn&#39;t it ironic and sad to have a Canadian point at a Bombardier train in a foreign city and says &#39;that&#39;s my train&#39; - one that we never get to see in our own country.</p>]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/08/to_to_mtl_the_porter_experience/#c217294</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 22:08:04 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Chester Pape</title>
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<p>No many medivac flights are by fixed wing air ambulance, Helicopters have several limitations</p><p> 1) they can&#39;t always land on a Helipad, which for the University Ave Hospital Campus is on the roof of Sick Kids, due to winds and other tall buildings nearby 2) not all of the Hospitals have helipads (e.g. Western which is the local destination of choice for head injuries) 3) The helicopters have limited range, so they can&#39;t be used to transport people in from more remote/rural locations&nbsp;</p><p>Realistically most of the trauma stuff where minutes matter goes to Sunnybrook or Hamilton anyway so the main issue is pediatric trauma where the expertise is at Sick Kids and multiple cases of smoke inhalation where only TGH has a room sized hyperbaric chamber. </p>]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/08/to_to_mtl_the_porter_experience/#c217213</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 15:10:21 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Diane</title>
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<p>Chester Pape: You&#39;re right, I forgot about TCCA&#39;s role in medivac operations.</p><p>&nbsp;But aren&#39;t these flights always by helicopter? And wouldn&#39;t it therefore be better to land them directly on helipads on hospital roofs? </p>]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/08/to_to_mtl_the_porter_experience/#c217205</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 14:31:12 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Joe Clark</title>
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I was wondering how long&nbsp;it&nbsp;would&nbsp;take&nbsp;to&nbsp;turn&nbsp;this&nbsp;comment&nbsp;thread&nbsp;into&nbsp;a&nbsp;a&nbsp;playground&nbsp;for&nbsp;Spacer&trade;-style&nbsp;anti-island-airport&nbsp;ideologues. ]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/08/to_to_mtl_the_porter_experience/#c217200</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 14:21:18 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Diane</title>
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<p>Chester Pape: You&#39;re right, I forgot about TCCA&#39;s role in medivac operations.</p><p>&nbsp;But aren&#39;t these flights always by helicopter? And wouldn&#39;t it therefore be better to land them directly on helipads on hospital roofs? </p>]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/08/to_to_mtl_the_porter_experience/#c217199</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 14:21:12 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Adam</title>
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<p>@aidan: Well, you have my travel time. I woke up at around 7, was at Porter for 8am, boarded at 8:30, took off at 8:55, and was on the ground in Montreal at 10am. I think we were checking into our hotel at Delta Centre-Ville (on University) at 10:30-10:45.</p><p>It&#39;s pretty astounding. </p>]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/08/to_to_mtl_the_porter_experience/#c217193</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:49:34 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>aidan</title>
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Chester, I said it was an &#39;estimate&#39;.&nbsp; No, I have never flown Porter, nor will.&nbsp; I would like to hear from someone their travel time door to door for any of these three options: Air Canada, Porter and Via.&nbsp; Mine for driving Little Italy to downtown Montreal was six and a half hours last week, but my girlfriend needs to stop to pee every hour.&nbsp; Autoshare cost (includes gas/rental/insurance) for three days is $250.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/08/to_to_mtl_the_porter_experience/#c217182</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:12:31 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Chester Pape</title>
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<p>@Adam: re: smog, given that the alternative is, lets face it, multiple single rider taxi trips to YYZ and don&#39;t kid yourself that YYZ doesn&#39;t dump it&#39;s fair share of smog into the city core given the prevailing winds I still don&#39;t buy that even smog from YTZ is a real issue</p><p>@aidan: seriously even if you assume an hour at the Montreal end crawling through the Turcot yards in rush hour traffic which is the worst case scenario, there&#39;s pretty much no way that flying on Porter can take 4 hours, seriously until you&#39;ve actually done it you just won&#39;t beleive how little time really is needed for lineups/luggage/security&nbsp;</p>]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/08/to_to_mtl_the_porter_experience/#c217180</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:50:56 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Rick</title>
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<p>I can&#39;t stand the existence of Porter Airlines on the island. Seeing those planes coming and going over Ashbridges Bay while playing volleyball every week is quote disheartening.&nbsp; Having planes of this size and flying with this frequency has a negative effect on the appearance of our waterfront.</p><p>&nbsp;That said it&#39;s hard to argue with how easy it is. I&#39;ve travelled to Ottawa and Montreal using everything but my feet or a bike and flying from the island is definitely the easiest option. You can&#39;t beat the bus for the cost, but the cramped seats and smelly confines make the trip less than pleasant. Driving sucks, it&#39;s a waste of fuel and traffic can add 2+ hours to the travel time (took over 7 hours from Montreal to Toronto on Monday). Taking the TTC to Pearson is gruelling at best. </p><p>VIA is still my preferred method of travel. I&#39;ve always found it comfortable and simple. On our last VIA trip we were particularly excited to use the onboard wifi. You can share login between two people so we both had our laptops going. The reliability was a little sketchy sometimes, but was still nice to be able to get online and update Facebook (I mean, do work...).</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/08/to_to_mtl_the_porter_experience/#c217178</link>
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<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:38:34 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>aidan</title>
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<p>Hmm... does it matter the speed of the vehicle, or time elapsed between origin and destination.&nbsp; I live downtown, so I&#39;d never go to Pearson to fly to Ottawa or Montreal when VIA is less trouble and takes little more time.&nbsp; I suppose Porter is not as crap as Air Canada, and it starts downtown.&nbsp; I still want Porter, and the Port Authority, to die: http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/Waterfront-Fantasy-Path</p><p>My estimate is that it would take me four hours door to door on Porter, and almost five on Air Canada.&nbsp; Don&#39;t forget getting to/from, lines, security and luggage.&nbsp; Via is six to seven.&nbsp;&nbsp; As for price, Adam, you said &quot; $270 for a return flight on Porter. Via was asking for $240 in the cheapest seats available&quot;.&nbsp; You must have looked for a Via seat on short notice.&nbsp; I got $165 for a ticket several weeks in advance.&nbsp; Nevertheless, I&#39;d rent a car for a weekend at a similar cost to Via, esp. if I had someone to share the cost. </p>]]>
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<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:31:32 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Adam</title>
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<p>Just a quick note to say I&#39;ve changed &#39;greenest&#39; to &#39;cheapest&#39; just to stay factually accurate. Thanks, Chester.</p><p>It would be interesting to see the actual environmental cost of traveling using train, plane, and car, but in reality there&#39;s an inumerable number of factors involved that you have to take into account when you look at something like this.&nbsp;</p>]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/08/to_to_mtl_the_porter_experience/#c217176</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:25:39 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Adam</title>
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<p>@Chester: Sorry, I probably phrased that wrong when I said it wasn&#39;t the greenest option. I know the Q400s are relatively fuel efficient aircraft, but what I meant was it would be better for the city on smoggy days not to have planes taking off/landing right downtown.</p><p>I think you&#39;re right to say that it&#39;s likely one of the greenest options overall in getting to Montreal.</p><p>&nbsp;@brokenengine: As Chester mentioned, there&#39;s cabs that go from PET International right to downtown Montreal for a flat rate of $15-$35, but most, if not all, charge the max $35 rate. It&#39;s about a 15-20 minute cab ride. That&#39;s the option I went with.</p>]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/08/to_to_mtl_the_porter_experience/#c217175</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:19:58 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Chester Pape</title>
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<p>You fly into YUL (Dorval/PET), there are several options to get downtown, you can take a cab for $35 flat rate, you can take the Aerobus for $14 one way/$26 return or you can take a free shuttle to the gare Dorval and take a commuter train downtown, schedule permitting.</p><p>&lt;i&gt;I think it&#39;s naive to assume that if the TCCA was torn down, the real estate it occupies would be turned into parkland.&lt;/i&gt;&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;Agreed, the city is on record that they want the site for the Expo bid.</p><p>&nbsp;&lt;i&gt;That being said, give me a high-speed light rail link between Union and Pearson, and I&#39;d have to agree that TCCA no longer has a real reason to exist.&lt;/i&gt;</p><p>I disagree on two counts 1) TCCA is a critical link in the provincial medevac system that cannot be replaced with helipads or a more distant airport, as long as the General has the largest hyperbaric chamber in the province some small number of people will die without that airport 2) YYZ is still a green horror show with long taxis and circling etc. Change that to High Speed Rail from Windsor to Montreal and I&#39;ll agree that TCCA has not reason to be used as a passenger airport. </p>]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/08/to_to_mtl_the_porter_experience/#c217172</link>
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<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:08:46 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Diane</title>
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<p>I think it&#39;s naive to assume that if the TCCA was torn down, the real estate it occupies would be turned into parkland.</p><p>Clearly, city councillors prefer condos to parks, therefore the choice is not between a downtown airport and a park, but rarther between a downtown airport and an eyesore that only a moneybags developer could love.</p><p>That being said, give me a high-speed light rail link between Union and Pearson, and I&#39;d have to agree that TCCA no longer has a real reason to exist.<br /> </p>]]>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 11:46:20 PDT</pubDate>
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