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<title>toronto resident</title>
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in my opinion there is simply ineffective and inefficient management in TTC plus possibly corruption as regards its expenses. TTC is a great shame for Canada and Toronto: as said it is stuck in 70s most probably due to its management (most of them are over 50 years old and has no motivation to change anything as they enjoy their warm office chairs). ]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1402598</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2013 11:01:02 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Jim Burnett</title>
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More griping and whining from the city masses. This just shows that only losers and immigrants take public transit.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1397437</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1397437</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 10:58:47 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Stefan Caunter</title>
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Bringing up Mexico furthers the embarassment. Stick out your hand and the bus stops. The drivers care about picking up passengers. It's about a nickel to ride, seven pesos. 
Toronto's system is an embarassment. Having two subways, only one of which is really serving downtown, is pathetic.
Since Ontario removed all possibility of local representation when it redrew every municipal map, any planning in any community has deteriorated into regional squabbling and malaise. It is a great shame that amalgamation has been allowed to continue, but the citizens keep putting up with it.
There is no chance of fixing anything to do with transport until Toronto controls its own assets.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1397102</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1397102</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:05:57 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Ashley</title>
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I'd be various interested to see how the TTC would respond to this post. I anticipate they'll blame the government for not subsidizing more.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396738</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396738</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2013 19:19:36 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Ben Smith</title>
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@loper thanks for making the driver's life miserable by being a dick. It's not as if they have a stressful enough job as it is without having to deal with the likes of you. You know the rules, so if you don't want to follow them, then don't use the service you douchebag.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396667</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396667</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2013 14:15:40 EST</pubDate>
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<title>the lemur</title>
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I've been using (brief) time-based transfers on other routes for some time now - it's just that the TTC doesn't realize it ...]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396654</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396654</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2013 13:23:18 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Dennis </title>
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The time based pilot on St. Clair has being going on for years. The TTC is very slow in making any type of changes for the benefit of its customers.  It is time for a real leadership change! Bye Karen and Andy!]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396621</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396621</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2013 11:50:50 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Rob</title>
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It's no coincidence that sound transit planning died with amalgamation. The only way Toronto will ever get anything nice again is if we can revisit history. ]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396578</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396578</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2013 09:46:55 EST</pubDate>
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<title>iSkyscraper</title>
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Well said.  People in Toronto need to get their head out of the sand and realize that Montreal (and some other cities) leave it in the dust when it comes to public transit and cycling.  It's downright embarrassing.  But with Ford around, it's only going to get worse.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396573</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396573</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2013 08:57:22 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Aaron</title>
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Should read: $60.00 annual Communato car-share membership. 
















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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396529</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396529</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 23:27:34 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Aaron</title>
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The TTC is stuck in the 70's. Single fares are not an appropriate comparison, frequent users make use of monthly passes or 10 fare (or whatever) incentives.

STM in Montreal:

Monthly pass (smart card since 2008): $74.00, seniors and students: $45.00, 2-hour transfer

10 fares: $24.50 (25 trip break-even for monthly pass over single fare, 30 trip break-even over 10 fare)

Annual subscription incentives: I free month, $21.00 BIXI membership, $60.00 annual membership.

Total monthly cost for annual subscription + BIXI + car share = $74.60

Not to mention credit/debit/cash accepted at automated machines everywhere as well as $4.00 unlimited evening fares, festival deals, discounts on museums and attractions, loyalty program etc.

Obviously, Montreal is trying to ENCOURAGE people to use public transit.  Get with the fucking 21st century, TTC.
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396527</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396527</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 23:25:00 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Vote NDP in the next federal/provincial election</title>
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York Region Transit has the highest fares in the GTA and why aren't you crucifying them. They even have zone fares for travel within its own region. 

You should also be glad that there is free transfer between subway/bus as no other city in the world even has this feature.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396486</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396486</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 18:28:26 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Jakob</title>
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Except the cost of car insurance alone is more expensive than a monthly metropass, not even talking of parking and car maintenance, and completely ignoring the capital cost of obtaining a car in the first place? At that point it doesn't matter much whether or not gas is cheap (hint: it's not).

The TTC is pricy for sure, but to suggest that it's more economical to drive a car (from a purely financial perspective) is insane.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396453</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396453</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 15:20:28 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Larry Green</title>
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LD, you are correct, sorry for the typo.  The database on which the graphs are based does have the correct Metropass price of $128.50.

As for the trip index, the relevant fare for the denominator is not the cash price (what a tourist or occasional user would pay) but the multiple-trip price (i.e. tokens or tickets or smartcard fares).  If you are riding the subway to work or school and trying to decide whether or not to get a pass, the cash (base) price is irrelevant.  This is the way all of the trip indexes are calculated for all of the cities. 

In Toronto, tokens and tickets cost $2.65.  So 128.50/2.65 = 48.49.  I could have called it 49 since it really would be more correct to round up.  

As for the comment by W.K.Lis, sure, the smaller cities could be discarded as interesting filler but it's rather hard to discredit fares in New York, Boston, Montreal, Chicago -- cities that all have service levels high enough to pull in ridership in the range of the TTC.
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396442</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396442</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 14:46:41 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Technomancer</title>
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Not even close.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396371</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396371</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 11:30:50 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Chris Charabaruk</title>
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Two big problems with this train of thought: Fixed/low incomes, and that it's a *non-refundable credit* for transit passes. Let me explain.

First, the issue of people with low, fixed incomes (OW clients, the disabled, seniors, etc.). When all you get is $600 to $1700 a month and half or more goes towards just paying rent, how are you supposed to be able to afford a pass in the first place? Even if there were jobs available for OW clients, they'd not be able to afford their regular transit until after they started getting paid (to say nothing of OW and ODSP income clawbacks). Likewise, retirees in the 'burbs have no incentive to take transit so long as they have access to a working car, since even with the cost of fuel being what it is, it's cheaper for the seniors to gas up once a month than to get a pass to ride the system.

And even for those who can afford a Metropass, if you're not making enough money to have to pay income tax to the government, the tax credit for passes means nothing. Since it's a non-refundable credit, it's only good for reducing what you already have to pay -- it doesn't give you anything back.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396363</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396363</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 11:13:46 EST</pubDate>
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<title>LD</title>
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A monthly metropass is 128.5 not 126 as stated in the article.  Also, if you do the math, 128.5/3.00 = 43  It actually takes 43 trips a month to cover the cost of a metro pass and not 47 as stated....]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396346</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396346</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 10:02:13 EST</pubDate>
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<title>W. K. Lis</title>
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Most cities with the lower fares, do not have the service we have. What other North American city has subway trains every five minutes on Sunday? Very few. Compare Sunday service or service outside of rush hour with other cities and you'll see Toronto has it. The negative is with politicians who see public transit as gravy and don't use it.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396345</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396345</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 10:00:39 EST</pubDate>
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<title>the lemur</title>
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In short, it's not really possible to compare transit systems, unless you find an equivalent to the TTC somewhere with the same amount of geographical coverage, funding, fare structure, etc.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396341</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396341</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 09:42:08 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Matt</title>
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"Can anything be done to keep the Red Rocket from becoming the Red Ripoff?"

...This is a rhetorical question right?]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396332</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396332</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 09:02:50 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Brad</title>
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And they keep talking about making fared zones, as if people can afford even more]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396283</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396283</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 22:46:43 EST</pubDate>
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<title>David</title>
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The TTC would lose money if they did that for their transfers. You can't compare York Region, Mississauga and Brampton Transit to the TTC because the TTC has a much higher daily ridership than those three. The 29 Dufferin bus has a ridership of 39,700 people Mon-Friday with 31 buses on the entire route. Imagine if they had transfers that lasted for a couple of hours how much money they would lose. ]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396277</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396277</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 22:10:21 EST</pubDate>
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<title>jameson</title>
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It's pretty difficult to capture the true cost of a TTC trip because the fare price incorporates the operating and capital costs and WheelTrans. Not only that, TTC costs also incorporate funding from other levels of government and debt payments.

Regardless of this, the price of fare is definitely too high. But how do you determine the best price? As mentioned, if the price is too low people won't value the service, and if its too high its being socially appropriate. The only shortfall in price in my opinion that is valid is the cost of a cash fare. It doesn't encourage people who don't buy passes (people who bike or walk, tourists, suburbanites) to use transit since parking is similar or cheaper.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396275</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396275</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 22:06:35 EST</pubDate>
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<title>alex</title>
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I CAN'T WAIT TILL THE SUMMER SO I DON'T HAVE TO USE THE TTC.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396222</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396222</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 16:56:52 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Manan</title>
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It takes lot less time for me to walk. Better then pushing people on a queen street car. Even after talking money TTC is not able to improve service on Queen and King.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396219</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396219</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 16:45:15 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Chris West</title>
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Maybe Suzy runs a business and actually writes off the cost of the TTC pass as a business expense. Otherwise its a tax credit at around 15%.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396217</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396217</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 16:43:21 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Howie</title>
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I think one has to figure out the REAL cost of a trip on a system. You need to add the subsidized $ to the user cost to get the real cost of a trip. Fares in other cities may be lower, but is it gets subsidized $$. Many other cities also have longer waits between buses. Many have less routes than the TTC does. Don't have a figure, but the TTC has routes that do not even come close to covering the operating cost of the route. (Especially during non-peak times) I've been on a route where there were only a few (]]>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 16:23:21 EST</pubDate>
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<title>ANTIFORD</title>
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Yes and get $0.25 back for it.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396200</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396200</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 16:15:19 EST</pubDate>
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<title>ANTIFORD</title>
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TTC should be put down. It is the worst attitude towards users that any company (except Rogers and Bell) can have. I wish every Metropass user could buy a used SUV and make the lives of all drivers of Toronto could get a bit worst.]]>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 16:14:35 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Alan</title>
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everyone else like york region and Mississauga transit gives you two hours to transfer where you want and on the same route multiple times.    I really wish TTC would so that as well, but they claim they loose money doing it.  I asked during a townhall meeting that was their response.  ]]>
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<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396193</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 15:58:18 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Calli B</title>
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I also was amazed when I moved here from BC, at how expensive transit is. In Victoria and Vancouver public transit is total crap. No buses run later than 12am in Victoria and only limited night buses operate in Vancouver. BUT it always cost less than $3 and you could use your pass for a certain amount of TIME. So you could bus to the grocery store and then home with your food. It's total bull that you would have to pay $6 to do that here. Or what if you leave for work and forget your wallet and have to run home to grab it? Pay another $3?]]>
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<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2013/02/is_the_ttc_still_the_most_expensive_transit_system_in_north_america/#c1396183</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 15:31:59 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Jorge</title>
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Is not properly  budgeted, and until that day comes, you can expect the TTC to not be properly run either.]]>
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<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 15:25:00 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Suzy</title>
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You can write off your pass in your personal income tax.]]>
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<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 15:12:09 EST</pubDate>
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<title>John</title>
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When I moved here from Calgary five years ago, I was AMAZED that TTC transfers were so restrictive, i.e., no back-tracking, no stopping off, just get where you're going and get there in a straight line, unless you want to pay more money.

Having lived in Calgary and Edmonton and Ottawa, I always assumed time-based transfers were the norm everywhere (because they make so much freakin' sense). TTC's transfer system still seems punitive and user-unfriendly. It makes sense for commuting, but if you want to, say, take the 501 along Queen and make several errands over a longish stretch of the street, it's useless.]]>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 14:35:11 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Stanley</title>
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The TTC doesn't want timed transfers because their union drivers and attendants would have more responsibility when checking them and fare/metropass sales would drop dramaically.  Pure laziness and greed.

It's in their best interest to keep an antiquated system in place to bring in more revenue.]]>
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<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 14:19:42 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Margaret</title>
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OC Transpo in Ottawa is more expensive. ]]>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 14:11:53 EST</pubDate>
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<title>loper</title>
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If I have to use a transfer going the other direction within an hour I argue with the collector till they let me stay on. Till it's not worth their while to argue anymore. 

I'm not paying $6 to go 10 blocks (I walk with a cane) back and forth in an hour (and sometimes even less if I'm just going to the post office). 
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<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 13:34:44 EST</pubDate>
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