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<title>Karl Marx</title>
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To all of the people who say "if you dun liek marrywanna lawws than move to pl@ces wear marrywanna is legul Liek in neetherlands and amstoredamn." That is a horrible argument. Its unfair that if I want to light a joint I have to spend  100,000$ to move to another Continent and restart my life while in the process leaving everyone I know and love from my home. 

Like everyone else I lost a lot of money because of this recession. And there isn't much I can do to get it legalized. Im stuck waiting for my government to do the right thing and legalize this harmless drug. So until than ill be smoking in alleys buying drugs from murderous psychopaths because I cant go to a lounge and buy a 5 bucks worth of weed and chill around with friends without worrying about police breaking into my home and fining me 5 Grand and put me in jail for 3 years. 

If the government cannot meet the needs of the people, Than the people of that nation must revolt. However the only revolting I can do is hitting a bong.]]>
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<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 20:39:49 PST</pubDate>
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<title>asian dude</title>
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Here is some information that a lot of idiots don't know. The only reason why marijuana is illegal is because the government cannot tax it. Who has ever heard of somebody overdosing on marijuana? you dont! you just pass out, thats it. if marijuana was to be legalized, the government could not tax it because everybody would grow it inside and outside and the government cannot control everything. alcohol is more dangerous than marijuana. Can you drive drunk? no! can you drive high? yes! you don't hallucinate when you are on marijuana but you do when you are on alcohol. People don't understand it's a plant, it just grows like that. Not like alcohol where you have to make it in a factory. The reason why alcohol is legal is because nobody tries to make it at home. It takes too much work and might even explode your house. So the only reason the cops raided this place was to take all their shit and fine all these dudes so the government can get paid. The government and the legal system are the true "gangsters" of the society. The "legit" gangsters that make a shit load from everything and everybody that they can get their hands on]]>
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<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 19:22:49 PST</pubDate>
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<title>Dennisn</title>
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Addict, you are a confused and dangerous person. What right do YOU have to tell ME how or when to smoke marijuana? *NONE WHATSOEVER*

It is frightening to realize that our fellow, perhaps well-intentioned neighbours can be the source of perhaps all of our oppression. All it takes is casual thoughtless and irrational small decisions such as your own, that on their own can easily be ignored as foolish, but taken on mass have the power to seriously fuck up other people's lives. (Kindred Cafe's livelihood, my freedom, others' imprisonment, etc.)

Good job Addict et al for fucking up our lives!]]>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:30:42 PST</pubDate>
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<title>addict</title>
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@dennisn - i'm pretty much done with all this name calling.  you can't get one comment posted without resorting to it.

if marijuana was completely illegal, it would be treated like heroine and cocaine.  it's not.

the responsible adults that are not the problem... BUT not everyone involved in the buying, selling, and consuming of marijuana is a responsible adult.  booze and cigarettes have the exact same problems and deregulating them won't fix it.

we're just going around in circles.  i've consistently stood by my convictions regarding the issues despite you accusing me of having done otherwise.  we have different views on the ability for the Canadian legal system and the individual right to marijuana access to coexist.  end of story.]]>
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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:24:24 PST</pubDate>
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<title>Dennisn</title>
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Addict, for all intents and purposes, it DOES say marijuana is completely illegal. How is one supposed to possess it if buying and selling it is illegal?? The point is, and you casually mention and then completely ignore it, is that as responsible adults, we ALREADY have the right to eat buy and sell marijuana to any other responsible adult! Stop trying to appease your childish vision of a functioning justice and political system, and stand by your convictions.

Mernagh, a CCBO would be a baby step in the right direction, but still pretty oppressive.]]>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 20:26:15 PST</pubDate>
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<title>Matt Mernagh</title>
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wow! awesome amount of comments about the cannabis issue. mostly positive. potent marijuana can be grown to be just that. through tender love and care + organic food + strain selection = amazing weed. true. there are hundred of marijuana types. the only issue with Kindred Cafe is that they didn't pay toker taxes. a Cannabis Control Board of Ontario would solve our problems.]]>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:57:04 PST</pubDate>
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<title>addict</title>
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@clueless - the law does not say that smoking weed is illegal.  it says possession for the intent of sale without licence (or something fancy like that).

just like in Singapore... chewing gum is not illegal, but selling it is.]]>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:13:07 PST</pubDate>
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<title>clueless</title>
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But you're saying breaking the law is wrong. 
So smoking weed = wrong.]]>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:57:17 PST</pubDate>
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<title>addict</title>
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@clueless - i am not saying that smoking weed is wrong.  i've said several times that i don't believe smoking weed is wrong.]]>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:25:36 PST</pubDate>
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<title>clueless</title>
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"and i don't believe the compounding more wrongs upon a wrong will make everything right."

I can't keep arguing with such linear thinkers. 
Smoking weed is NOT WRONG!

Secondly, and again, if you think we have the power to change the law in Canada by lobbying you have not researched this issue enough. At the root we are up against the United States Federal Government, not our own. The same government that ignores state laws, and prosecutes medicinal marijuana users. How would you like it if some cop with an authority complex broke into your house and arrested you for having aspirin. But instead of aspirin pretend you have cancer, and marijuana was the only thing that helped you to put down food, or help ease pain. 

I could bombard you with many theories as to why the American Government won't legalize it, some include the pressure of the pharmaceutical companies/drug lords. But it won't matter because you only think in black and white. You think it's wrong to do something unless 51% of the population thinks it's ok. 

If you can't think outside the box and realize that there are other factors to this other than it just coming down to a simple vote I don't know what else to tell you.

Here's some info if anyone's interested...http://www.leap.cc]]>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:08:10 PST</pubDate>
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@Dennisn - i think it's safe to say that we don't agree.  you're deliberately misinterpreting the things i've said and you're choosing to stay angry.  

i likely would've had to obey the racial segregation laws of the past because being a visible minority, i would've been beaten or lynched if i did not.  it would not have been until the laws were changed that i would've been able to do anything without the risk of being killed.  this question might be better posed to a white person who would not have run the same risk for breathing too loudly or sneezing in the wrong direction.  that's the difference between then and now.  back then, people were horribly beaten or killed by unjust laws.  nowadays, people are inconvenienced.

i don't believe chaos begets order from injustice.  and i don't believe the compounding more wrongs upon a wrong will make everything right.]]>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:05:40 PST</pubDate>
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<title>clueless</title>
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Dan-
Disgusted with myself? 
You're missing the whole point of the comparison.
This isn't just about Kindred or the right to lace food with cannabis. 
You obviously aren't looking at the big picture here.
Maybe when you get off your high horse and stop twisting my posts around I'll take what you have to say seriously.
I can dumb down the next comparison if you're the type that gets offended easily...]]>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:37:02 PST</pubDate>
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<title>Dan</title>
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Those of you comparing the closing of the Kindred to Rosa Parks should be disgusted with yourself. You call the DEA fascist and racist, but you're belittling an entire movement which was about far more than whether you can sell cannibis-laced food or not. Seriously, consider your arguments before you post on here; people may take you a little bit more seriously if you do so.]]>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:05:28 PST</pubDate>
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<title>Dennisn</title>
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That's EXACTLY what the prohibition laws are saying. I want to eat and smoke this arbitrary plant on my (or Kindred Cafe's) personal property. But I am *forcefully* and *violently* being prevented from doing so, due to police f*ckers who willingly turn a blind eye to the constitution and their own morals, for a paycheck.

For the last time, the only people breaking the law were the police! And any judges or politicians who may have sided with the prohibition! All of these people should be imprisoned for violating innocent individual's lives, and be forced to pay for all the economic losses they inflicted.

People aren't breaking this absurd law simply because they "don't like it"!! They are breaking it because IT IS PATENTLY WRONG!!

Do you support obeying UNJUST laws, for the sake of peace and order or whatever? Would you have obeyed the racial segregation laws of the past??]]>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:26:22 PST</pubDate>
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<title>addict</title>
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@dennisn - the law doesn't say you can't eat whatever you want.

and i did not avoid the issue.  i just believe that breaking the law because you don't like it is a bigger problem.]]>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 06:46:47 PST</pubDate>
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<title>Dennisn</title>
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Addict, you are completely avoiding the issue. In the first place, you have to think for yourself, understand your rights, and realize that prohibiting grown and responsible adults from eating whatever they want is unconstitutional! At this point, although it may be "safer" to obey the oppressive and illegal law, it is by no means the right thing to do. As I mentioned earlier, the law says it's OK! Politics and recent contradictory "laws" say it's wrong.

On the other hand, if you dare to suggest that /other/ people should have the right to force their arbitrary dietary preferences on you, than you are truly a confused man.

So make up your mind!]]>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:04:21 PST</pubDate>
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<title>Tim</title>
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Mike: Which 2008 court decision?  Was this Court of Justice or Superior Court?  Was this in Ontario?  Do you have a CANLII cite?  

Otherwise, folks, take into account that Mike may be a police disinformation agent.  Cannabis possession is indeed presently legal in Ontario.]]>
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<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:19:09 PST</pubDate>
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<title>addict</title>
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@dennisn - i wouldn't say that i wasn't upset about it.  nor would i say that i sit idly and comfortably as my fellow neighbours are being oppressed.  when i see injustice inflicted upon those around me, i help them within the confines of the law.  the system was put in place such that if there are deficiencies, it can be challenged.

i do have an opinion on the matter and i have taken a side.  but i was more disturbed by calls for "just breaking the law" than i was by the unfairness or oppression of marijuana smokers.

when my neighbour had skunk problems and their landlord did not care to do anything to help them, and was taking advantage of the fact that they did not speak English, i went with my neighbour to complain to the appropriate authorities.  i translated for them, and ultimately forced the landlord to do what was their responsibility.  i did not have the skunks trapped and shipped to the landlord's house and say "see what it feels like?"  it would've been faster and cheaper for me to do it.  i wouldn't have had to take time off work.  but that's not the right way to handle the situation.

there's nothing wrong with getting mad.  people should get mad and should do something about injustice.  but breaking the laws is not the way to do it.  the laws aren't unilaterally passed in Canada.  people had to agree upon it (hence the 3 readings of bills and all that jazz before a bill becomes law).  people were for and against it at the time the bill was introduced, and if there weren't more people for it, it would never have been passed.  that doesn't mean there's no possible way it might be violating the constitution.  perhaps at the time it was passed, society was too conservative, or narrow minded, or whatever.  through education, lobbying, and talking to people, you breed acceptance and society changes it's views.  the judicial system follows accordingly.  it took over a hundred years for the government of Canada to apologize for imposing a head tax on Chinese immigrants.  it took just as long for the government of Canada to admit the atrocities of residential schools... and only now are they starting to atone for them.  things move a lot faster now, so i'm not saying that it'll take 100 years for them to legalize marijuana.  but i don't think breaking the law is the way to go.  gay marriages became legal without breaking the law and it didn't take 100 years.

and my advice is not "tough luck; it doesn't affect me; move to another country."  that was my response to being told to do you "all a favour and move to the States, we don't need people like you here."  it seems backwards to tell someone who's okay with the existing system to go elsewhere while the minority who isn't okay with the system stay.  it's not that i think they should, but in terms of logistics, it's easier for the minority to move.]]>
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<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:57:57 PST</pubDate>
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<title>Dennisn</title>
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Addict, you're missing the point. People who smoke/grow/sell marijuana ARE obeying the law! Any law that tries to ban it is invalid since it contradicts our original laws. Any such law is ABSURD. And any judge who might not see this *obvious* contradiction should be fired immediately. (If only we actually had a true and valid justice system, that wasn't in bed with politicians.)

*Nobody has the right to stick their heads into my bedroom; to regulate and police what happens in my bedroom!* (And Kindred Cafe is just such a private bedroom!)

I really don't understand why you (Addict) don't take a side on the issue--why you don't see the blatant injustice, and why you are not in fact vomiting in a disgusted rage. You certainly would be full of rage if the government made f*cking your wife illegal--maybe some studies suggest sex leads to out-of-control testosterone that leads to violence and death, or maybe sex leads to laziness and apathy toward civic duties and is thus a problem for society. The only reason you are not outraged is because it doesn't affect you. You are sitting idly and comfortably by, as your fellow neighbours are being oppressed--their businesses shut down, maybe their money or property is forced away from them, maybe they are imprisoned. And your only advice is, "tough luck; it doesn't affect me; move to another country".

*Frustration*]]>
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<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:56:51 PST</pubDate>
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<title>addict</title>
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@clueless - i would never say that homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to get married.  i don't see the problem.  in fact, several of my friends are married, same-sex couples.  but it's something that got discussed and argued through the proper channels.

so what if internationals think Canadians are pushovers.  i didn't realize that Canadians were so weak as to need the approval of others.  i actually think it's better that we're constantly negotiating and trying to find a compromise with Quebec instead of having a civil war like they did in America.

and i think lobbying works better than drum circles, but i've never tried the drum circle thing, so i could be wrong.

i didn't say that legalizing marijuana would cause social problems.  i was talking about ignoring the instituion of law.  i don't have a problem with the legalization of weed.  and there is a lot of independent research out there around legal systems and social structures that are not associated with government funding.  the government can't afford to fund everything.

i could capitalize after my periods, but since it's not hurting anyone, and there aren't any laws requiring me to do so, then i can apparently do whatever i want.

@dennisn - being a visible minority, it'd be weird for me to say that i think racial segregation laws were valid.  they were (and still are) wrong.  however, if you really feel oppressed in modern Canadian society, maybe you should try living somewhere else.  

i didn't say you didn't have the right to eat whatever you want, smoke whatever you want, or grow whatever you want in your backyard.  in fact, i didn't take a side on the issue regarding marijuana.  all i'm saying is there need to be some sense of order.  i'm not opposed to seeing marijuana decriminalized.  but i am opposed to people breaking the law just because they "feel" it's not fair.  a free-for-all is not the way to go.  even places as progressive as the Netherlands have laws and got to where they are today without people just doing whatever the hell the felt like.]]>
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<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:22:41 PST</pubDate>
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