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<title>Jon</title>
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Well again, I think it <i>should</i> be made as easy as possible, I just don't think (mild) inconvenience is a very good excuse for not properly disposing of your own garbage. And call me sentimental, but I don't think people should always need either a direct incentive or the threat of penalty in order to act responsibly.

I don't doubt you're right: some people won't bother to participate. Some people leave their food wrappers on the floor of the subway; some people let their dog crap in the park and don't scoop it up. All am saying is that those people are -- and I say this as politely and unselfrighteously as possible :] -- dicks.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_20th_2008/#c329097</link>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:45:59 PST</pubDate>
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<title>Badbhoy</title>
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@Dan

See my point above.  I can throw out my combined waste down the chute daily negating any issue with smell while I wouldn't have the option with organics.  It would mean a daily trip downstairs to dispose as it would in most buildings.  I know it may seem trivial to some (myself included) but to echo Dave's point it will not happen if it isn't easy and can't be enforced.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_20th_2008/#c329094</link>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:37:53 PST</pubDate>
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<title>Dan</title>
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I fully agree that landlords/property management & the City have to do whatever it takes to make it as easy for people to recycle/compost as possible to ensure the highest success rate, but there is still a degree of responsibility required on the people that are producing the waste. Nothing's gonna be easier than throwing everything down one chute that's located on your floor, so people will have to compromise & change their behaviours and put in a little extra effort to separate their garabage from their recycling & organics...

And to follow up on my point above, whether or not you throw food waste into the garbage or put it into a Green Bin, both will potentially attract unwanted pests and cause odours. I don't think it's much of an argument to say that garbage that contains organic waste smells better and attracks less rodents & bugs than a Green Bin that only contains organic waste.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_20th_2008/#c329090</link>
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<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:21:46 PST</pubDate>
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<title>Davedavedave</title>
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@ Jon: "Your waste, your responsibility to dispose of it properly, even if it's not effortless."

And this will be enforced in condos/apartments how?  Garbage police?  You can sneer are those who won't participate all you want, but the reality is if it is not easy, people won't do it. Unlike with homeowners, there is no real incentive for apartment dwellers to participate.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_20th_2008/#c329086</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:03:58 PST</pubDate>
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<title>Jon</title>
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Well certainly landlords should make the garbage / recycling setup as easy as possible for their tenants. And if they don't, the tenants should complain... but that doesn't give them a license to just say "feh" and toss everything down the chute. (This is directed at the attitude generally, and not you personally Niel :). Recyclables and organics don't *belong* in the chute, no matter how much easier it is. I mean, it's easier still to just hurl everything out your open  window without getting out of your easy chair, but that doesn't make it acceptable. Your waste, your responsibility to dispose of it properly, even if it's not effortless.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_20th_2008/#c329079</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:30:52 PST</pubDate>
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<title>Badbhoy</title>
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I live in an apartment and have no problem taking my recycling down either.  However there is a difference between doing this weekly with bottles, cans etc and either doing it daily with food waste or leaving it in my apartment for a few days to stink up the joint.  It won't happen unless the building makes it convenient.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_20th_2008/#c329078</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:30:30 PST</pubDate>
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<title>Neil</title>
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@Meow:

Just because you're self-righteous, it doesn't make you right... It has nothing to do with being lazy. Having to take recycling down the elevator constantly would be a fairly significant inconvenience to me. I work long hours, am not home much during the week, and have other, more important things to take care of when I am home. To run crap down to a bin in the morning when I'm rushing to the office, or at night when I'm rushing to fix dinner, means 10-15 minutes I don't have on a daily basis. And sure, I could bring everything down once or twice a week instead, but that's just as big an inconvenience, as it means I have to collect garbage in my already cramped space through the week.

Anyhow, it's a moot point; my building does offer recycling on each floor, and I take advantage of it. My point was this is how any new programs will have to be set up for any realistic buy-in to happen.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_20th_2008/#c329068</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:49:50 PST</pubDate>
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<title>meow</title>
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Wow. You won't take your recycling down in the elevator? When I lived in a building I managed to do it. It amazes me that people can be so lazy that they can't take two minutes to do it. Seriously.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_20th_2008/#c329063</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:53:43 PST</pubDate>
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<title>Davedavedave</title>
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@Neil - You have hit the nail on the head. The only way to get a lot of participation in a program like this in Apartments/Condos is to make it as simple/clean as possible.  Otherwise, people will simply throw everything into the garbage.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_20th_2008/#c329060</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:15:44 PST</pubDate>
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<title>Neil</title>
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@Dan:

"Being reluctant to use it because of odours & rodents doesn't make sense."

Actually, it makes perfect sense, depending on how such a program would be set up. If it's set up so that organic waste could be thrown down a separate chute in a bag (daily, since collecting it in one's apartment is not feasible for most people), or placed into a tightly sealed bin in one's garbage room, then it may work. If not, then apartment and condo dwellers worrying about organic waste attracting bugs, rodents and smells makes perfect sense.

I live in a high-rise, and I recycle. I do so because I have a passing interest in environmental preservation, and because there's a blue bin down my hallway in the garbage room. If that bin wasn't there or I had to take the elevator downstairs to recycle, I wouldn't do it and neither would the vast majority of people who live in buildings. One key reason a lot of people live in buildings is to avoid gardening, mowing the lawn, shovelling snow or dragging trash to the curb once a week. The city needs to recognize this if they're going to succeed in bringing green-bin recycling to buildings.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_20th_2008/#c329046</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:51:24 PST</pubDate>
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<title>Dan</title>
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Green Bin waste is still the same waste that you'd regularly throw into your garbage. It's not like it's composed of anything new... Being reluctant to use it because of odours & rodents doesn't make sense. Whether or not you through food scraps in your garbage or in a green bin shouldn't make a difference.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_20th_2008/#c329036</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:10:55 PST</pubDate>
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<title>Adam</title>
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I think a really skeptical attitude towards composting in large buildings is totally reasonable. Issue is this will depend on everyone knowing how to do it properly. Rather than, say, tossing a whole bin of waste down the garbage chute.

From my very brief experience so far living in a condo, I can tell you there's a whole hell of a lot of people that don't seem to even know how to dispose of garbage properly using these chutes.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_20th_2008/#c329035</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:10:34 PST</pubDate>
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<title>Kelly</title>
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Our recycling bins are outside our building and across the parking lot. I feel that it would make more sense if our garbage chute was used for green waste or recycling and that people had to walk their garbage down and outside to dispose of it.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_20th_2008/#c329032</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:59:41 PST</pubDate>
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<title>Ryan L.</title>
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Jeffy, freezers are actually really quite bad for the environment.  If everyone did that we'd require more freezer space and that extra freezer space would probably be worse for our environment than the compostable waste going to the landfill.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_20th_2008/#c329026</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:31:29 PST</pubDate>
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<title>Mark Dowling</title>
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A direct shipment from 100 Queen W to the zoo would provide enough crap to fill the digester's maw.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_20th_2008/#c329025</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:29:18 PST</pubDate>
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<title>Ratpick</title>
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Grizzly is a bear. Grisly is a scene. This is an important distinction when talking about murder.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_20th_2008/#c329024</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:27:52 PST</pubDate>
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<title>Ben</title>
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Pooh is a bear, poo is feces.  This is an important distinction when talking about a zoo.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_20th_2008/#c329017</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:15:26 PST</pubDate>
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<title>Jeffy</title>
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a good way to avoid smelly greenbin waste is to put it in a seal-able tub in your freezer]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_20th_2008/#c329016</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:11:31 PST</pubDate>
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