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<title>blogTO Recent Comments: Morning Brew: November 7th, 2008</title>
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<title>guy lafleur</title>
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Can't say the Rogers incidents are too far outside of their business model.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_7th_2008/#c326044</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:38:13 PST</pubDate>
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<title>kickass2.0</title>
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Do you know even an know there's an online version...


Thats what I thought!]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_7th_2008/#c326029</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 16:25:31 PST</pubDate>
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<title>kickass</title>
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How many people have the city of Toronto garbage collection calendar/schedule?

Do you use the printed version, or the online .pdf version? Do you know that there is even an online version...]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_7th_2008/#c325997</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:21:15 PST</pubDate>
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<title>Ryan L.</title>
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According to Statscan only 69% of people ages 16 and up use the Internet.  That means 3 out of 10 wouldn't have access to an online newsletter.

I don't see why they can't just make the newsletter available in pdf format online for people to read or print at their leisure and also provide a SMALL number of print copies for those who don't have access to internet.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_7th_2008/#c325992</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:07:20 PST</pubDate>
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<title>kona</title>
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My 87 year old Nana doesn't have a computer. 
No Computer. 
No TV. 
Mailbox YES.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_7th_2008/#c325984</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_7th_2008/#c325984</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 14:39:18 PST</pubDate>
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<title>serotonin</title>
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Anyone who would be rushing out to buy Gears of War would already be aware of the game and not be basing their decision on any PR move one way or another.

Ironically, this decision by Future Shop is targeted towards those who don't play games, the same who would continue to take the Crisp situation at face value and think that video games was really the cause of the problem.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_7th_2008/#c325964</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:43:34 PST</pubDate>
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<title>Ratpick</title>
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Can't Miller just do a "fireside chat" on channel 47 or something? You know, like Tommy Shanks used to do on SCTV.

The newsletter's just gonna be more watered-down, lowest-common-denominator crap with pictures of smiley-faced recycling boxes anyway.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_7th_2008/#c325950</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:05:21 PST</pubDate>
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<title>Downtowner</title>
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This is a waste of money for the purpose of advertising David Miller. I wouldn't bother reading this, and out of spite, this will not be recycled, but instead be thrown directly in the trash.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_7th_2008/#c325946</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_7th_2008/#c325946</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:59:40 PST</pubDate>
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<title>Yan</title>
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24 pages of waste, wooohooo...]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_7th_2008/#c325937</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_7th_2008/#c325937</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:20:52 PST</pubDate>
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<title>Davedavedave</title>
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Wow, lots of passion here over a mail-out. Perhaps the City should first find out how residents would prefer to receive info from the City. If no one is reading it, the mail-out is useless, no matter how great the info included. And it is silly to assume that Miller (or any incumbant mayor) wouldn't use it to help their re-election chances - of course they will.

As well, people here seem to assume that poor people can not afford computers and internet connections.  I've actually worked with actual poor families, and guess what? Many (if not most) of them have computers and internet connections.  Old computers and slow connections most of the time, but they have them nonetheless. Don't assume that just because a family is poor they don't have the brains or resources to get a 5 year old computer and a cheap dial-up connection.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_7th_2008/#c325926</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:36:51 PST</pubDate>
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<title>Corina</title>
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Well, hence transitioning towards that goal. 

The extra 400k could easily be spent bringing more people online... although when I was broke, I simply used the public library's computer. I don't expect the city to go online immediately, but to increase spending on print vs. growing access to information online is backwards.

Anyway, clearly the commenters disagree with this idea - I can take it ;)]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_7th_2008/#c325925</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_7th_2008/#c325925</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:35:52 PST</pubDate>
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<title>o_O</title>
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Okay, Corina, that's nice and dandy. But where do you want to find the money so David Miller can stand at the corner of Queen and Sherbourne to hand out laptops to the rooming house crowd? And are those internet bills going to pay themselves?

Seems to me your cart is way, way before the horse. Reality is, there are a lot of people in this city who can barely pay the rent. If I were in that situation and someone handed me a free computer, I'd sell it to pay for the actually vital things in life like food and shelter.

I think you need to acknowledge that going to 100% online while a significant number of residents, generally the most vulnerable residents, don't have the ability to access online information would be completely irresponsible.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_7th_2008/#c325921</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:16:40 PST</pubDate>
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<title>Corina</title>
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Online is cheaper, faster, and has the potential to reach more people. Please don't think that being down on government issued paper publications means I don't want people to be informed; I want a BETTER strategy than blanketing Toronto with another piece of paper, and this newsletter seems pretty close to that.

It's valid to provide this as an alternative for people who can't access computers or a website, but by doing so it seems to make it 'ok' that our city can't provide computers/training for the elderly/impoverished. 

@ o_O: It's not an elitism that's driving my sentiment, it's a concern for complacency towards the substandard conditions in Toronto, and the city's tendency to fall back on expensive/quick options that really don't move us forward. But I do see what you mean in terms of funding... let's transition out of print and put efforts towards using 'earning power' of the internet for our city.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_7th_2008/#c325920</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_7th_2008/#c325920</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:08:46 PST</pubDate>
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<title>Lisa</title>
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@ Corina: "I would rather see a complete erradication of print mailers in Toronto, and a focus on making electronic information accessible. How obscene is it that our city feels it can't connect to citizens via the internet, and has to rely on very expensive print options."

Hmm. "Agism" leaps to mind but I'm not entirely sure it's a valid word. Also "elitism". Many people don't have access to computers and the internet - yes, I know they're publicly available at libraries etc. but for the elderly for example, it might not be likely for them to receive the news any other way. I much prefer to receive info like this in hard copy - the garbage/recycling calendar gets posted in the kitchen and we never miss a day...]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_7th_2008/#c325916</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_7th_2008/#c325916</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:59:46 PST</pubDate>
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<title>o_O</title>
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How elistist can you be Corina? Or maybe you're just naive. Even if every print publication was cancelled, you wouldn't get anywhere near the money for universal access to computers and you wouldn't have solved computer illiteracy for so many elderly and impoverished people.

Further, your suggestion that this information is useless is astounding. If you see value in democracy and the existence of a municipal government (regardless of political leadership of the day) then you should see a value in that government providing information to the people who fund it.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_7th_2008/#c325914</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_7th_2008/#c325914</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:56:50 PST</pubDate>
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<title>Corina</title>
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Well Laurie, if a thoughtful response to your first comment didn't prove otherwise... shrug.

Anyway, I'm going see if I can get a word in with a few councillors so we have more info to go on...whatever personal distaste i might have for wasting money and creating more paper mail,  I really refuse to believe that 'Our Toronto' is the best solution for keeping Toronto connected.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_7th_2008/#c325912</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_7th_2008/#c325912</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:14:23 PST</pubDate>
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<title>Laurie Fertok</title>
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Corina, by screaming at us with your "emotional outburst" it suggests you don't respect your readers. If you did, you would write more thoughtfully.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_7th_2008/#c325909</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_7th_2008/#c325909</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:08:59 PST</pubDate>
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<title>Darlene</title>
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What is this news-letter concept? I don't understand...]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_7th_2008/#c325908</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:02:03 PST</pubDate>
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<title>Corina</title>
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Hmmmmmm I was informed that this letter would now be sitting in my mailroom - so it's junk mail to replace other junk mail. not from canada post styles, but still more junk, more paper, more useless information for people who didn't ask for it. And it's going to cost us more... if it's replacing numerous publications, shouldn't this reduce costs? Hmmmmmmmm.

I would rather see a complete erradication of print mailers in Toronto, and a focus on making electronic information accessible. How obscene is it that our city feels it can't connect to citizens via the internet, and has to rely on very expensive print options.

@ Laurie, I didnt think I suggested anyone was stupid - rather that I am absolutely enraged by this idea. Sorry if you don't agree, but I feel entirely entitled to emotional outbursts in the comments section :P  

Feel free to add negative feedback to my articles that you don't like though :)]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_7th_2008/#c325905</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_7th_2008/#c325905</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:00:42 PST</pubDate>
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<title>o_O</title>
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Actually, Corina, you can get off your high and incorrect horse. This will decrease the amount amount of mail to your door. This publication replaces multiple mailers that have been sent out since before amalgamation.

Mark, advertising in some or all community newspapers is less efficient than sending a mailer to every door if the goal is to update residents on the work of their government (which is entirely valid). I can't remember the last time I actually picked one of those things up in hardcopy and I think I am equally deserving of receiving this information.

Though I think maintaining the smae budget as was used for the other newsletters combined would be smarter than seeking a $400,000 budget increase, even if that means sending out the newsletter only twice instead of four times per year or cutting the number of pages in half.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_7th_2008/#c325899</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/11/morning_brew_november_7th_2008/#c325899</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:52:07 PST</pubDate>
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