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Queen Street Market still awaits renewal as the Grove

Posted by Emily Burke / January 5, 2012

Queen Street Market GroveThe beautiful but mostly empty Queen West Market, across from the MuchMusic building will soon be transformed into a healthy food court, but not as soon as originally planned. The Grove, as it will be called, was initially scheduled to open by the end of 2011. But delays in design and planning have set the grand opening back until April of this year, says Lisa Borden, a founding partner of establishment.

The historic market space will be filled with a variety of food alternatives in a neighbourhood that is currently mainly populated by either sit-down restaurants or junky fast food like Pizza Pizza and Subway. "I want a group of ten coworkers to be able to walk in to The Grove and realize they never have to fight about where to eat lunch again because it has something for everyone," says Borden.

Designating The Grove as a health food place is something Borden is careful about. It's not about serving low-fat, low-carb, salads to all the yoga junkies in the neighbourhood, but rather about making people think about what they're putting in their body and knowing where it came from, she says.

"I believe if everybody got connected to their food, people would make healthier decisions," she says. "Whether you want vegan or an organic burger, we'll have it. We have an ethos that vendors will have to know the source of their food. There won't be Heinz but there will be ketchup."

Queen Street Market GroveBorden practices a food conscious diet in her own life, eating organic, plant-based food. As the company's communications strategist, this is not her first foray into a food conscious endeavour. She recently led the campaign Take Out Without that aimed to decrease the amount of garbage and waste in the take out industry.

The other founding partner is George Friedman, who is leasing the building, also owns the Windsor Arms Hotel where he has expanded the menu from a standard steakhouse to include vegan and gluten-free options, says Borden.

As for vendors in the space, so far they have a raw vegan chef on board, Doug McNish, who worked under Friedman at the Windsor Arms. Once the design for the space is settled and decided, which Borden anticipates will be in the next couple of weeks, they should be able to bring more vendors on boards. Getting people to sign on has been tricky so far on account of the currently empty and unfinished state of the building, she says.

Queen Street Market GroveThough she couldn't disclose the details, Borden said other vendors may include a coffee place and a burger joint. They're hoping to have a pizza spot and fish and chips, and they're applying to have a seasonal fresh farmers market behind the building in the park. They're also hoping to have some unprepared market fare year-round, but that will depend on the vendors they secure, she says.

Organic, well-made take out food may sound delicious, but cheap it certainly is not. "Apples to apples, organic's always going to be more expensive," admits Borden. "This food may cost a bit more, but you'll be full on actual real food so you're also not going to have a three o'clock low like you would after a McDonald's Happy Meal. But the food will still be affordable and it has value much deeper than the price."

Photos by Emily Burke

Discussion

29 Comments

Bobby / January 5, 2012 at 03:15 pm
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YES! Finally, progress. The food situation around here is LAME
Roger / January 5, 2012 at 03:30 pm
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I'm all for "glutton-free options."
Thirsty / January 5, 2012 at 03:32 pm
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Will there be a bar in there?
MrsPotato / January 5, 2012 at 03:38 pm
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i predict this won't happen until 2013.
anon / January 5, 2012 at 03:50 pm
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Heinz ketchup comes from the good farmers of leamington ontario. Elitist much?
Stoked / January 5, 2012 at 03:51 pm
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can't wait to spend $14 on lunch!

organmeat / January 5, 2012 at 03:52 pm
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Can't wait until it happens. Would be nice to have a deli in there too.
gorf / January 5, 2012 at 04:16 pm
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Apparently a "healthy food court" equals a place filled with coffee, burgers, pizza, and fish and chips? Organic ingredients don't make a meal healthy by default...
Fooder / January 5, 2012 at 04:19 pm
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This City owned building has never been the same since A J Stock & Sons Ltd were forced to relocate. George Friedman has been promising "real food" in the market since the day he took it over from the City and FoodShare moved into the basement. It'll never happen. The operating footprint for multiple vendors is too small, the s.f. costs are too high, and the basement will never generate sufficient revenue. Friedman's business model is flawed and the place will never succeed as designed. It needs a single or many fewer vendors who can scale up. In Freidman's defence: he is bound by the terms of the agreement that he signed with the City that limits his options.
Yawn / January 5, 2012 at 04:20 pm
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Yawn*

Yawn.
Gonzo / January 5, 2012 at 04:25 pm
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I wish it was a real farmers market with food and one of a kind stalls. Do we really need
More vegan/fit for life and booster juice franchises?
Alex replying to a comment from Gonzo / January 5, 2012 at 04:45 pm
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It just sounds like a regular food court. Pizza, Burgers, etc. Except this one won't use artificial stuff, so it'll be more expensive. It will be interesting to see if it ever happens, and if it is successful.
TorontoMonkey / January 5, 2012 at 05:01 pm
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This will never work and fail as much as the existing and past places have done. It's a huge space and unless there are 20 vendors instead of 4, it's a bust. Whoever goes in this space is guaranteeing their own bankruptcy. Total. Retail. Deadspot.
Lisa Borden / January 5, 2012 at 06:01 pm
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The Grove will be designed to have over 20 individual spaces serving unique, conscious, fast food. Since everyone has different definitions of what is healthy, and have different cravings and needs, The Grove will try to meet and exceed them all - while being conscious and fun - and serving excellent, clean food.
Judy / January 5, 2012 at 06:03 pm
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I used to live around the corner from here and loved the Sandwich Box. It was the perfect place to grab a nice sandwich with great ingredients - the only alternative was picking one up at Subway or at the Starbucks which was overpriced and not fresh. I miss that place dearly.
There was also a decent pizza place and a couple small chinese buffets, which were good because they were inexpensive and much faster than takeout from the dozens of sit-down places on this strip. That being said, the rest of the space was largely wasted with a Ben and Jerry's that closed 5 years ago and a bubble tea place that hardly got any business. This market could use a spruce-up but I'm scared that putting the "organic" tagline on everything just means more regular food with a much higher price tag. Curious to see what will happen though.
Fed Me / January 5, 2012 at 06:31 pm
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What is organic but a meaningless label.
Free run chicken eat grain grown in fertilizer from pig farms that feed the pigs with ground up animal parts.
Vegetarian and Vegan are an unhealthy way to eat. It is a lifestyle.
Give me food made with REAL ingredients. Not the fake crap, low fat mayo, cheese, yogurt, soya.
I want a burger made with 8oz of beef. Not with 6oz of filler and soy product and flavourings
Sugar Mamma / January 5, 2012 at 07:19 pm
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"Getting people to sign on has been tricky so far on account of the currently empty and unfinished state of the building, she says."

I considered a retail space in there over a year and a half ago. The problem isn't empty and unfinished state of the building, it is the crazy expensive rent they are asking for. The idea of having a farmers market type thing in there is unrealistic. Anybody who knows anything about farmers markets knows that farmers with fresh produce don't make much money. Expect expensive franchises in there as they will be the only ones who can afford to rent and start up a business in there.
sandra replying to a comment from anon / January 5, 2012 at 07:23 pm
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That is awesome. Yes, it's locally sourced ketchup - so put it on your meat!
sandra / January 5, 2012 at 07:30 pm
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This is a street filled with dimsum (yawn AND unhealthy), sit-down Indian, and dimsum. (Yes, I know I said it twice, it's everywhere and not healthy people!!!). Is this going to be another "Fresh"? They were in their one time when it was called "Juice For Life" and you can't get a seat at the best of times. Don't screw this up people, make this a good place, a place where we can get something cheap, healthier, and must I say it again, CHEAP. We don't need another coffee place on the strip, we need a "tea house"! Yummy teas! We need a gelato place (well, not exactly healthy, but we do need one, seriously). Can you please ask us what WE would like to see?
JFS_II / January 5, 2012 at 07:55 pm
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so first you pooh-pooh Pizza Pizza in the 'hood, and the "junky fast food" at Subway, then you call this a place for "healthy" food, and in the last sentence you say there's going to be pizza, a burger place, and a fish+chips place. You need to get a better editor.

Doug / January 5, 2012 at 08:29 pm
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I for one am excited to be able to have a place for a business that will help create change and help peoples lives.
Lisa Borden replying to a comment from sandra / January 5, 2012 at 10:32 pm
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Yes! Please let The Grove know what you want - and thanks!
https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Grove/140885425994631
EatToronto / January 5, 2012 at 10:40 pm
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I'm excited to see if this place can make it! It would be incredible for there to be a really good bakery in there! And a grilled cheese place! And how about getting Pizzeria Libretto and Jamie Kennedy Fries? And what about Grindhouse Burgers? Will there be a patio?
mia / January 5, 2012 at 10:55 pm
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i have been here befor and i realy enjoyed eating here
when it reopens i will mabey go there and have something to eat again.my firend will mabey or mabey not will do carpet
installation there
http://collectivemills.ca/
dr.fever replying to a comment from mia / January 6, 2012 at 01:47 pm
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OK,seriously. This is third story/comment thread I've read on Blog TO today that has some stupid bullshit spam "comment" from these carpet a-holes. Make it stop. Please. Thx.
Health / January 6, 2012 at 02:27 pm
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I'm actually pretty excited about this! And I can't believe all of the haters in the comments! To anyone saying that burgers and pizzas can't be healthy, you're very closed minded and incorrect. Also, to anyone who thinks that local organic ingredients are the same, just more expensive than mono-cropped, genetically modified pesticide-ridden produce- you're also wrong. Check out a Farmer's Market one day and talk to a farmer, or watch a movie or read a book based on this stuff. That's lots of info out there. I used to be an "organics hater" too, but then I learned about the impact that mono-cropping and pesticides do to our earth, and I really changed my tune. There is reasoning behind it, and it's not just about the taste of the produce- the impacts are much deeper than that. I think that people like Lisa Borden who are helping to push this movement forward should be praised.
borb / January 11, 2012 at 04:02 am
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hope it works for them, but a real market would be way cooler. OH just FYI all the food from starbucks is made in Texas by people who dont wash their hands.
borb / January 11, 2012 at 04:04 am
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they might wash their hands. but srsly, ask to see the packages (they throw it all out at 6am). its from texas. gross!
young and successful replying to a comment from tdilla / January 23, 2012 at 04:49 pm
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whiny wanker

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