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Why can't Montreal brands find success in Toronto?
With M:brgr on King West shutting its doors last week, Toronto not only lost its sole purveyor (as far as I know) of the $100 hamburger, but it also lost yet another Montreal business that couldn't seem to get its grip on the Toronto market. Owner Jeff Ditcher didn't respond immediately to requests for comment, but M:brgr's Twitter feed confirmed that the burger joint is gone for good, though its original Montreal location will remain open.
The news doesn't exactly come as a surprise, considering M:brgr Toronto opened up amid some tough competition. There's Big Smoke Burger at King and Portland, BQM Diner at Queen and Peter and Grindhouse at King and Peter--and that's just burger bars--so the skeptical observer would note that the odds weren't exactly in M:brgr's favour.
But it seems this sort of fleeting, failed attempt to establish a Toronto brand based on Montreal success isn't exactly unusual. Take the case of Spice Safar, also on King West, which was opened by founder Wilhelm Liebenberg after Spice Safar Montreal took off. The mistake here, however, may have been opening two Toronto locations within such a close proximity. Then there was Liquid Nutrition on Queen Street, which currently boasts seven locations in Montreal, but experienced just a brief life when it opened a couple years back on Queen by Spadina. Perhaps it was the Fresh just around the corner, or Sadie's down the block.
Other Montreal businesses that took a stab at Toronto are Space FB, which enjoyed a brief stint as the casual wear du-jour as far as I can recall, but eventually closed both its Queen Street and Eglinton East locations. There was MBCo, a Montreal bakery that is still alive in Yorkville but shuttered its Rosedale outpost. Plus Moishes if you want to go a decade or so back, which brought its delicious pickles (and steak) to The Financial District, but was perhaps was one too many steakhouses for the area, and closed after just a couple of years on the scene.
It seems to me these examples shared a common and fatal barrier to success--wrong location. Either they landed in the wrong spot, or plopped themselves down in an area already saturated with what they were selling. Is that what ails these Montreal imports? Do Montreal business owners need to get a better drift of what works where in Toronto? Or is something else causing all of these Montreal businesses to go belly up?


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You answered your initial question.
(not 100% sure), and they seem to be doing O.K.
(Le Chateau & ilk are chains that appeal to the 'burbs I suppose)
**Please note, I was born in Montreal.
I think the problem with non-apparel Montreal brands is that they try to be TOO Montreal. Montreal's Euro-Canadian culture doesn't necessarily translate to the omniscient culture of Toronto. Especially not at the overpriced tune of $100 burgers. :/
It deserves to fail.
If they had opened it in Liberty Village or the Annex it would be going gangbusters.
But as far as M Burgers goes, this comment sums it up perfectly:
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visualhornet / MAY 31, 2011 AT 11:58 AM
Ummm rent at $24,000 a month. Lets open up a burger joint. One word RETARDS
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I ate at M once. It was mediocre at best. Nobody has ever come close to Craft Burger(now Big Smoke).
Also, it seems as the building where M:Brgr was will be turned into a condo, I saw the notices on the front.
The MTY Group is seeing great success here. They're taking over food courts everywhere.
Are the French really that stupid?
The location M:Burger occupied must be cursed. Over the 5 years I've worked down the street, and even before that from hanging around the area, I've lost count the number of bars and restaurants (at least 4?) that have come and gone.
Perhaps with the explosion of condos and other new businesses in the area, this spot can shed the curse.
Shoeless Joes: Early 2000's - 2007/8 ish
Stix n' Stones: 2008-early 2010
M:Brgr: 2010 - 2011
From a pure business perspective, how could a burger place possibly last if the rent is $24,000 a month?
And I suppose Metro might count (so far)...
I did like the article, it did bring an interesting question but I do agree with other of the commenters regarding the fact that it probably did fail because it was over-priced and not well located.
It's like anything: Make it easy to get, Make them addicted...then you lift the price ;))
The Peel/St Catherine's one has been gone for about 10 years.
Just like the Toronto one has.
Mbrgr problem was that it was too big and expensive - remember Hal Burgers on adelaide?
Make it!
Maybe you feel alienated by English Canada, and the real French(from France) consider your food garbage and your language some form of grotesque patois. Cry about it.
Schwartz's is overrated, and what kind of a deli doesn't serve chicken soup? And, they're called bay-gels.
Montreal has great food and it's a terrific city, but such condescending attitudes about Toronto are old and tired beyond belief.
Montrealers' have lower standards of what constitutes great food and service (i loath the service in mtl, and got food poisoning a number of times while living there). Though they are obviously our nation's fashion forecasters, they're way behind culinary trends- seriously? another burger bar on king? not to mention the stark decor..
Step it up, bring something that Torontonians aren't already bored of- we're hasty!