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Let the Booze Flow Through TO

Posted by Ryan C / April 3, 2007

Sometimes after a hard day at the office, you gotta get your booze at a moment's noticeBack track to late May in 2005. I'd just packed up and moved to Toronto from Montreal on the promise that the French language was non-existent in this town. After a 6 hour drive and lots of unpacking, I decide there's only two things in the world that could feasibly end the day in any sane way; pizza and beer. Shortly after discovering that the concept of 2 for 1 pizza hadn't made the trip down the 401, I walk out with a large meat lovers and decide to pick up the pork soda on my way home.

I went to four different depanneurs with no luck. Everyone just looked at me funny when I asked them where the beer was.

Had I gone insane? Did I move to a dry county?

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Of course, Toronto does in fact sell beer. Hell, go down to The Beer Store and you'll find Toronto sells approximately 3000 different kinds of it. But I'm not a picky guy, I just wanted some Ex. In Montreal, you can damn near walk into a Toys 'R Us and pick up a 6er, but not in this town.

Thank gawd, this might be changing soon. Citynews is reporting that Queen's Park is considering making alcohol legally available at your nearby Daisy Mart.

There is the potential downside that minors might easily be able to purchase alcohol with fake IDs, something that is difficult, to say the least, when going through and LCBO.

Funny, you can still use that fake ID to buy a pack of Peter Jacksons pretty easily.

Premier Dalton McGuinty says "[The system] ain't broke." I'm of the mind that the readily accessible alcohol in Montreal made high school way more interesting than it must be for students in Ontario.

Still, I'm not everyone. Where do you guys stand on this? Should convenience reign supreme? Or should convenience store owners not be trusted to sell to minors after the lottery fiascos? What about the wineries, both local and importers? The breweries? What's best for them?

Lovely portrait of me taken by, umm, who the hell was in my house on Sunday...

Discussion

22 Comments

jiro / April 3, 2007 at 07:28 pm
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There was no shortage of alcohol amongst my high school circles in Toronto - ever. Was it anarchy? Nope.

Let's face it - minors will be minors, and will drink booze regardless of where it's sold.

I lived in Japan for 2 years, and you can drink anywhere you want, at
pretty much any time of day or night there (on the street, in the subway,
in the park - all ok). Passengers in cars can even drink! And was it all out
anarchy? Nope.

I think the main hurdle that will prevent this from happening is the provincial body that governs and profits (very heavily, might I add) from alcohol sales - the mighty LCBO (the single largest purchaser of wine, beer, and spirits in the world).

The LCBO gets a cut of all liquor sold in Ontario, whether it be in a
restaurant, bar, winerack, or convenience store.

If they allow sales in non-government-controlled stores of only locally-produced wine and beer, one thing is certain... importers will furious.

The Ontario wine industry is already so well-protected by insanely high levies on imported products. In my mind, this would be just another reason not to drink Ontario wine (which is inferior in quality, IMO).
Gloria / April 3, 2007 at 08:22 pm
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Pizza and Montreal inevitably makes me think of Mardi Fooooooooou!
japhet / April 3, 2007 at 09:36 pm
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I'm betting a lot of families with kids are not going to go for this.

Personally, the idea doesn't really bother me but this gets brought up all the time and it never comes about.

Hamish / April 4, 2007 at 06:17 am
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I'm not a supporter of alcohol being sold at the corner store. For one thing, the typical variety store owner doesn't know Jack about alcohol and will generally offer whatever is cheapest for them to carry. There's a reason Montreallers refer to the easily-available corner store dreck as "Depanneurs" -- because it has rep for being merely passable and that's who sells it. Add to this they will check ID's just as carefully as they do for cigarettes...

So why not regulate the LCBO more carefully? Since we own the fucker, why not legislate that it has to expand its mandate? We have a tool here that has incredible buying power. So make it buy more interesting wines! We could force it to license boutiques or allow wine agents to run their OWN distribution. Basically, retain the level of professionalism in the system. This is what appeals to me about Ontario's way.
jiro / April 4, 2007 at 07:34 am
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The LCBO calls the shots, not us :P
Anon / April 4, 2007 at 07:38 am
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As one of those "agents" let me tell you, it's not a perfect system here, but the Quebec model works great. Let the conv and grocery stores handle Domestic Beer and Ontario wine, let the LCBO handle all spirits, imported wine and imported beer, and get rid of the Beer Store..which is privately owned if you didn't know.
Gloria / April 4, 2007 at 08:34 am
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Since convenience stores stink at checking ID, maybe cigarettes should be sold at government outlets as well. I mean, why not?
jiro / April 4, 2007 at 08:37 am
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If the fines for selling to minors are high (and I mean, HIGH) then convenience store staff will not be selling to minors.
Chester Pape / April 4, 2007 at 08:42 am
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jiro if your going to criticize you ought to make an attempt to be halfway factually accurate.

LCBO hasn't been the worlds largest purchaser of wine and spirits for a few years, that distinction now belongs to Wal-mart.

Domestic wine sold direct by a winery either to a consumer or a restaurant does not pay LCBO's levy (they still have to charge excise taxes) it's in fact pretty much the only way they make any profit at all.

I doubt that anyone in the domestic wine business except maybe Vincor wants corner store sales, the cost of distribution would cut further into their profits.

It's not clear you understand the difference between the LCBO and Brewers Retail. Right now in exchange for their monopoly BR is required to provide access to all producers. That disappears with a Quebec model, if Ontario goes that route you can kiss Steam Whistle and Mill Street goodbye.
jiro / April 4, 2007 at 08:58 am
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Largest importer in the world, or second largest in the world (or 3rd, or 4th) makes litle difference to my argument. It's a multi- $billion enterprise.

Did I say that domestic wine was levied the same as imports? I didn't think so.

Can you buy beer anywhere other than BR or the LCBO? It's a monopoly.
Chester Pape / April 4, 2007 at 09:21 am
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You said:

<i>The LCBO gets a cut of all liquor sold in Ontario, whether it be in a
restaurant, bar, <b>winerack</b>, or convenience store.</i>

Which is not true, there is no LCBO cut at the wineracks and for the tiny trickle that goes from domestic wineries direct to restaurants the LCBO does not get anything there either.
Disparishun / April 4, 2007 at 10:08 am
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squiggy / April 4, 2007 at 11:21 am
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Hey Chester are you on the LCBO payroll or what?
Dan / April 4, 2007 at 11:58 am
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I hate the LCBO. I wish it dead. Our provincial bootlegging laws must be changed.
Ryan C. / April 4, 2007 at 01:04 pm
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Sure there's French related things in Toronto, but it's not a requirement to order a cheeseburger without getting a sneer.
Disparishun / April 4, 2007 at 03:12 pm
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Heh -- now that's more like it.

(I'm not so sure about those sneers but, well, that's for some other blog. This is about Toronto.)
kevin bracken / April 4, 2007 at 06:38 pm
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Yes, please! And while we're at it, extend last call, and lower the drinking age.

Liquor laws here are so backward. I can't decide if New York's no-last-call, booze in corner stores sensibility is negated by its drinking age.
Chester Pape / April 4, 2007 at 08:11 pm
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Nice ad hominem attack, no of course I'm not on the LCBO payroll, they don't pay that well... I just think that if you're going to debate public policy you should get the base facts correct...

In point of fact the LCBO has flaws, in particular at the low end they make stuff comparatively expensive and at the high end they limit selection and force the PITA consignment system, they burden producers with ridiculous paperwork.

Keep in mind that this proposal was just to sell VQA wine and "Microbrewery" beer so forget picking up that 6 pack of Ex or that 3 dollar bottle of Chilean plonk.
Ryan C. / April 5, 2007 at 09:25 am
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All I really want is to have some depanneur red wine only 2 minutes' walking distance away.
Gloria / April 5, 2007 at 02:33 pm
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Disparishun: Heh, well, it's just one pizza place (or a chain), but every Tuesday, they have a ridiculously low price for a large pizza, thus Crazy Tuesday. My boyfriend always eats there because he's on a student budget, and of course we hit it up when I visited, so it sticks out in my mind.
Mr.Awesome / July 21, 2007 at 10:46 am
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Why not just sell alcohol to all ages? Kids are pretty stupid, they&#39;re going to waste their money on something like seeing the same movie 10 times. ERRRRRRR!!!!! I&#39;d much rather them spend it on something with a ridiculous amount of taxes on it. Oh wait but all our booze are belong to MADD and Mr.Jesus and they won&#39;t allow that.
Patterson / July 9, 2008 at 05:17 pm
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I am all for selling alcohol at corner stores. I went to school for 6 years in MI and it makes going out to grab some cold ones MUCH easier. And if it happens you were out of town and come home after the LCBO and Beer Stores are closed for the night, you are shit out of luck if friends invite you over for a drink. This province makes you think days in advance when it comes to alcohol and its just stupid if you ask me. Government is absolutely greedy. Thats all it comes down to. And dont even get me started on the price of beer and booze here... Not allowed to sell discounted alcohol? No beer specials? I'd live in MI just because of those stupid rules...
Take care guys...

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