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Cost to ride train to the Toronto airport won't be cheap

Posted by Natalia Manzocco / August 2, 2014

toronto airportThe Union-Pearson Express train, set to begin running in 2015, promises a quick, speedy, incredibly epic, world city status-affirming ride from the west-end airport to downtown Toronto. It will also not be cheap: In 2012, we found that even at an estimated price of $25, roughly half the cost of a cab ride to Pearson, a ride on the new $456-million rail link will cost overwhelmingly more than comparable airport train rides in other North American cities.

Now, as projected fare details begin to emerge, it's clear that that will be the case. The Toronto Star reports that estimates of the final fare currently sit between $20 and $30. $2 of that fare, in case you're wondering, will be a built-in fee created to cushion the blow of lost airport parking revenue for the Greater Toronto Airport Authority. The GTAA told the Star its goal is simply to break even, while transit activists and politicians who pushed for a lower fare to make the train more accessible to airport employees are crying highway robbery.

With a number of factors already coalescing to drive fare costs up, do you think riders paying to avoid traffic should still pay for parking? Let us know in the comments.

Photo by James Anock in the blogTO Flickr pool

Discussion

93 Comments

Astin / August 2, 2014 at 12:40 am
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So it's really only cost-effective if you'd normally take a cab by yourself. If you're travelling with someone else, you're better off taking a cab. Or, just fly from the Island.
Peter / August 2, 2014 at 01:12 am
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Comeon Toronto. Do your thing and bitch. Selectively cherry pick cheaper rates (eg subways that stop dozens of times along the way) and whine and generally complain. You can do it. You have a perfect track record so far.
Ash / August 2, 2014 at 02:52 am
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So if it does end up costing $30. It'll cost a family of 4 coming to the city $120 to get downtown? I'm sure there will be some group packages but it looks like this way to the airport/downtown will only benefit the single travelers
Jaspal Singh Brar / August 2, 2014 at 05:06 am
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I am a cab driver from the last 25 years at the Pearson Airport and a Civil Engineer, I only can suggest that WHY NOT THEY ADD HOV LANE FROM THE AIRPOT TO DOWNTOWN TO AVOID ALL THIS HIGH END EXPENDITURE.It wil be more effficient and cost effective.
Rob replying to a comment from Ash / August 2, 2014 at 06:39 am
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You think families will be using this service? HA. It'll just be for business types who will be able to expense the cost of the ride - they couldn't care less if it costs $100 each way. And, I'm willing to bet, that's exactly who they will market this service to.

Not to be negative, but it's not difficult these days in this city, but this is doomed from the start. This kind of link is a nice to have when all your transit needs are met but the fact our needs in the GTA aren't being met means this is just a waste of resources. Not to mention, the link could have been achieved for far less with a simple spur from an existing GO station, not a brand new spur link. This will eventually turn into a local service train with more stops.
W. K. Lis / August 2, 2014 at 08:02 am
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The cell phone parking lot used to be free. Now its free for only the first 45 minutes. After that, you have to pay (credit card only).

While the announced arrival time occurs, it'll take longer than 45 minutes to get through customs and pick up your luggage. Especially if they loose your luggage, or have to undergo a strip or cavity search.
kalper / August 2, 2014 at 08:16 am
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bus to Kipling then subway to my stop
$3

$25 is a little steep. could be more in the $17 range.

Those Airport cabs are insane. $50-$60 for a 20 min cab ride. I hate the fact that visitors are essentially ripped off as soon as they land in Toronto.
canuckone / August 2, 2014 at 09:17 am
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"quick, speedy, incredibly epic, world city status-affirming ride..."

We already have the Ford Brothers that bring us the same for much less.

Seriously... if you have to take the TTC down to Union Station to get this train to the airport... take the TTC to the end of the line and get on the Airport Express bus. In the end it will be cheaper and you'll probably get there just as fast.
Great idea / August 2, 2014 at 09:44 am
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Costs around that to go from Newark to Penn station. Big deal. Other cities don't expect a non stop train for 2 bucks. Families will likely continue to take cars like they always have. People who can't afford the train can use the TTC airport rocket. Just one more option, and one that everyone has been asking for, forever.
DL / August 2, 2014 at 11:02 am
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One way GO Train ticket from Aldershot to Union is $10.55 for a 60km trip, and you're telling me Metrolinx wants to charge triple that for a trip not even half the distance? Somebody want to explain the sense in that?
DL replying to a comment from Great idea / August 2, 2014 at 11:03 am
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Cabs from Newark to NYC also charge you the $14 tunnel toll. Don't see any tolls in Toronto...
Joe / August 2, 2014 at 11:44 am
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This is just more proof that Metrolinx is just out of touch with reality.
If you live downtown and you take a cab to the airport then you are just stupid.
You can take a Airport Towncar for cheaper then what a taxi;s flat rate is.
Why not go to the airport in style and in comfort for cheaper then go in a dirty beck taxi?
Even then, the TTC Airport Rocket is pretty fast and cheap.
I for one will not be using this service Towncar service all the way!
Spike / August 2, 2014 at 12:22 pm
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And to think that we could have had the Eglington LRT take us all the way to the airport for only $3.00, the cost of a monthly or weekly Metropass, or for a token or ticket....thanks, Rob Ford and Ford Nation.
Don / August 2, 2014 at 01:24 pm
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There goes my $3. trip to Pearson. ;0(
Dan replying to a comment from Spike / August 2, 2014 at 01:30 pm
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This has been planned and under construction for far longer than Ford was able to ruin transit.
Should've been integrated with the TTC, but whatever. Something's better than nothing.
Arturo / August 2, 2014 at 01:30 pm
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These guys are dumb, they have no sense of economics. They'll make more money if they lower the price because more people will end up taking the train, giving more overall revenue albeit at a smaller margin.
Larry Searle / August 2, 2014 at 01:32 pm
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Typical of anything that the province or city have anything to do with charge exorbitant prices then when no one uses it make all taxpayers pay fir it in subsidies. The government is nothing but a moneypit and anything they do is the same
@ Don / August 2, 2014 at 01:47 pm
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Why is this the end of your TTC trips to the airport? This link is not going to change that method of travelling. Subways and direct non-stop airport rail links are not the same thing. Many people here seem to confuse that. You pay more for a non stop link because it is FAST. If you have more time you take the Rocket. Now that is not Rocket science.
atina / August 2, 2014 at 01:49 pm
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In that case I'll stick to my $3 train + bus ride to the airport.
SteveM / August 2, 2014 at 01:51 pm
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Figures Toronto even screws this up.
nope replying to a comment from Great idea / August 2, 2014 at 02:15 pm
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Newark to Penn Station is $12.5 USD.
ACMESalesRep replying to a comment from Spike / August 2, 2014 at 02:57 pm
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Had it not been for the Harris government, we would have had an Eglinton subway twenty years ago and might have had an extension to the airport by now.
Ben replying to a comment from nope / August 2, 2014 at 03:04 pm
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The $12.50 also includes a silly $5 fee the airport charges for the monorail that goes around the terminals. Even including that fee, it's far less than $20-$30.

The flat rate taxis from the terminals to downtown are around $55...cheaper rates are offered for closer to $48 to the airport. Unfortunately at the 2+ passenger mark, it looks like a cab from your front door to the terminal will be cheaper.

I wonder if they've done a serious effort to calculate ridership. From upper downtown...say Yonge & Wellesley, I can make it to the airport using the TTC and bus in almost an hour exactly from my door to check-in.

The alternative is for me to take the subway to Union (12 minutes), connect to the train (let's say 5 minutes optimistically), take the express (25 minutes), walk from the station to the check-in (3 minutes). That's 45 minutes. Is that 15 minutes really worth paying $15-$25 more?
Herne / August 2, 2014 at 03:13 pm
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Not even worth the effort. Save yourself a lot of trouble and don't even bother building it. Too expensive before it's even built.
W. K. Lis / August 2, 2014 at 03:53 pm
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Union has elevators. Bloor-Yonge has elevators. Kipling has elevators. The 192 Airport Rocket leaves Kipling Station for both Terminal 1 and Terminal 3 at the airport.

The 52A Lawrence West bus goes to both terminals, from Lawrence West and Lawrence stations. Lawrence West Station will have elevators ready this year, 2014. Lawrence should have elevators by 2020.

For $3.00 per person, you don't need to go down to Union Station to catch an Express train from there, unless you're in a hotel across the street.
realityCheck / August 2, 2014 at 04:43 pm
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An example of crappy transit planning and bad use of PUBLIC money if ever there was one. Those defending or celebrating this white elephant don't have any business commenting on municipal or urban issues.
Randy McDonald / August 2, 2014 at 07:02 pm
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Why would I take this when, for the cost of a TTC fare, I could just travel up to Terminal 1 or 3 from Kipling?
Fluffy / August 2, 2014 at 07:05 pm
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This is the dumbest comparison ever. Were any of the other options you "researched" express trains? You're comparing apples to oranges. The Gatwick Express train I took was £20 each way which is $37 CDN. Why isn't that on your comparison list?
Pessimist / August 2, 2014 at 07:11 pm
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I have no complaints about this as it's a reasonable rate. My only question is how long before they sell it to the private sector for a quarter of what it cost to build it?
bzine / August 2, 2014 at 07:35 pm
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Oh man do I have a bad feeling about this. This is primed to be one of those public private initiatives that will loose money hand over fist until it has to be sold to private interests and will then magically make a profit. In the meantime, Toronto will have given a company exclusive right of way on public tracks.

Someone's bad business model is getting special treatment. Remember this couldn't been electrified because the Pan Am games served as an artificial deadline.
slippers McEwan / August 2, 2014 at 07:38 pm
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Come one people this is Toronto where everything is more expensive NYC from Jamiaca St to Penn Station its 60 bucks for ten trips yes you read that right on the Long Island Rail Road a 22 minute ride at peak times.


Toronto yet again is ripping the piss out of the traveler and the citizens that use this airport . it is the most expensive airport in the world and here we go again ripping off more people on a daily basis. And they wonder people like myself and tens of thousands of others prefer the extra 20-30 minute journey to Buffalo airport.

Good luck with the train. it will be like the 407 Underused
Leo / August 2, 2014 at 07:44 pm
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Take a cab!
Steve / August 2, 2014 at 07:44 pm
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Arlanda Express (Stockholm): 260 SEK - ~$40 CDN
Heathrow Express (London): £21 - ~40 CDN
Narita Express (Various Locations): starts at 3020 yen - ~$30 CDN

If you look at other direct airport rail links around the world, the price being discussed isn't ridiculously high. You're also paying for a 25 minute train service to Union that leaves every 15 minutes and has various luxuries such as uninterrupted wi-fi at stations as well as onboard.

Not to mention a large portion of frequent flyers in and out of Pearson are individuals on business trips who would otherwise spend more money and time on a taxi, I'm sure there will be no shortage of riders.
Moaz Ahmad / August 2, 2014 at 07:50 pm
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Fuuny that people complaining about the possible fare on one hand while on the other hand lamenting that Toronto does not have an Airport Rail link so it is therefore not world class.

This is exactly how David Collonette was able to get the Blue 22 (the original air rail link) project approved...well, that and the lie that it would be funded by the private sector. So don't blame Metrolinx for the project. Blame Collonette for proposing it, SNC Lavalin for backing away from the project, and McGuinty for taking on the project as is instead of demanding better. I suppose that you could also blame the failure of Woodbine LIVE! which took away a potential Woodbine (Rexdale/Hwy 27) station and a short shuttle to the airport.
Bob replying to a comment from Steve / August 2, 2014 at 08:04 pm
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To further your point, Oslo Flytoget Airport Express was also $30 CDN.
Uh replying to a comment from Fluffy / August 2, 2014 at 08:15 pm
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I suppose reading is too difficult for you...
Is Gatwick an aiport in North America?

"In 2012, we found that even at an estimated price of $25, roughly half the cost of a cab ride to Pearson, a ride on the new $456-million rail link will cost overwhelmingly more than comparable airport train rides in other North American cities."
Matt / August 2, 2014 at 08:18 pm
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So, if this is the test bed for electrifying the GO rail lines, does that mean a trip from either Hamilton or Oshawa to Union Station would effectively triple? It's roughly $9 from either end into Union.
Steve replying to a comment from Uh / August 2, 2014 at 08:20 pm
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Those mentioned lines are general public transit lines, not dedicated airport rail links. Whoever made this is comparing apples to oranges; a better comparison should be made to similar airport rail links, none of which exist in North America.
Karla / August 2, 2014 at 08:22 pm
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I would pay $8 for one way. That's the Vancouver airport price. It's ridiculous that they are trying to charge that much. I'll take the $3 bus, thanks.
Rob Rob Rob your talkin foolishness. / August 2, 2014 at 08:57 pm
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Umm business types will expense a taxi or limo right from the airport to their hotel exactly as they do today. Why would they expense a train ride to union ? Then get a ride to wherever they are going? Not all business travelers stay anyway near union station. When the company is paying you take a cab Not a go train and a bus.
Randy / August 2, 2014 at 09:00 pm
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This is Kathleen Wynnes Ontario the rest of us just live here and pay for it.
Spike replying to a comment from ACMESalesRep / August 2, 2014 at 09:21 pm
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Exactly. And it would be just like taking the subway to the airport in Los Angeles, Washington DC, and Chicago, to name but a few cities in North American that have this.
Freddy F / August 2, 2014 at 10:05 pm
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When all day GO service on the Kitchener line starts, just take the cheaper GO train to Malton GO Station, and a quick taxi or bus ride to the airport.
Aaron / August 2, 2014 at 10:25 pm
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SWhen Pearson rebuilt the airport a few years ago, they were wondering why Toronto never bothered to extend the subway. They had planned the subway to enter each terminal.

But....

This is why the train service instead.... MONEY!

grrr
David / August 2, 2014 at 11:02 pm
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Canada Line from YVR to downtown Vancouver is less than 1/2 the price of this Toronto rail service. that's really saying something.
iSkyscraper replying to a comment from Fluffy / August 2, 2014 at 11:16 pm
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Does no one even read the article and chart before commenting on it? Here are the links again, lazy:

http://www.blogto.com/city/2012/01/what_should_the_air_rail_link_to_pearson_cost/

http://www.scribd.com/doc/76986612/Airport-Link-Fare-Comparison-Chart

The links are categorized by type, so ignore the LRT and subway ones if you prefer to just cry instead over Ford and McGunity screwing putting the Eglinton LRT on the surface to the airport using the Richview Corridor.

But all of these links are roughly similar to UP (which remember makes two stops along the way) in order to get from a main station to the airport or airport people-mover using a fast commuter train (diesel or electric):

Newark - one intermediate stop
JFK - nonstop
Denver - five intermediate stops
Philly - two intermediate stops
Baltimore - two intermediate stops
DC - four intermediate stops
Dallas - three intermediate stops

Even if you wanted to go outside of North America there would be examples like Heathrow Connect (not Heathrow Express) which takes 27 min, makes five stops and costs 9.9 pounds (~$18 Cdn)

The point is completely fair -- UP Express is being priced above every other air link, whether apples to oranges or apples to apples.
Demsky / August 2, 2014 at 11:22 pm
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I'm excited to take this train. It's always a pain to get into the city of Toronto from the airport especially during peak rush hours taking the bus or a taxi. I currently live in Japan, which has one of the best train systems in the world. This is a step forward for Toronto, which is already behind on the game. I will gladly pay this amount.
Fernie / August 3, 2014 at 12:11 am
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Is there gonna be a licensed train car? I'd take that train if there was a bar car. Welcome back to Toronto.
Rudy / August 3, 2014 at 12:50 am
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#1 I don't need charts and camparisons.
#2 I need answers on this!
#3 Where are my F'n answers!!!????
Bob / August 3, 2014 at 02:40 am
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What is more insane is that Metrolinx won't build LRTs extending into Pearson cause they fear that it will result in lost profit from this overpriced train wreck.

They simply don't understand that those that would be taking the LRTs (Eglinton or Finch west) won't ride this UPX anyways because they aren't elites or business people nor lives downtown. Metrolinx don't understand that the majority of citizens in TO don't live downtown.

This is just one step better than nothing but definitely not public transit as you can't take this train every day.
Mike / August 3, 2014 at 06:45 am
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This is NOT world class. We will be the only city on the planet running diesel trains into an airport. The cost is closer to 1.5 Billion. It will carry at best 5000 passengers a day. A streetcar can carry that many an hour. It will spew more pollution (NOx) than if all those took cars. The trains are incompatible with GO trains so have to have their own high platforms added to the end of each GO platform.
If taxpayers have to pay for it (liberal Collennette said 'not one nickel of taxpayer money') then it should be non polluting electric vehicles ( faster), reasonable fares, aan a few more strategically placed stops, which if electric would not lengthen the time .
Metrolinx wants to have a fare that would 'break even'. It will cost 50 cents per rider to operate the trains , and $2 to pay GTAA. If the want to pay for the infrastructure with the fare, that would require $85 per passenger just to pay the interest.
Alison / August 3, 2014 at 09:41 am
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No one has mentioned that this will give the cab services a reason to charge more. Having your own cab is better than using this train so it should cost more not be on par.

I say this train should be put to a vote by the people! and in the mean time I agree with the guy who said ADD AN HOV LANE FROM THE AIRPOT TO DOWNTOWN.
ryan / August 3, 2014 at 09:46 am
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Vienna has a world class airport train for 12 euros. Which is 15 Canadian. Not much of a difference for 20 Pearson to Union.

Let's stop complaining, be positive and embrace the change.
Liam / August 3, 2014 at 10:19 am
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One could probably justify $10-$15 MAX for a 1-way ticket. $20? $30? OUTRAGEOUS!!!
Brian Cartwright / August 3, 2014 at 12:49 pm
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I can catch a streetcar right in front of my door and go to the airport for $3 right now. I’ll never take it.
Moaz Ahmad / August 3, 2014 at 12:59 pm
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One of the big problems is a failure to think beyond the airport itself as a destination. That's why I find it ironic that John Tory's SmartTrack proposal actually looks away from Pearson Airport and focuses on the Airport Corporate Centre as a destination. Even better (and faster, and cheaper) than SmartTrack would be to add 2-way all-day GO service on the Kitchener line so people could grab a shuttle bus/taxi from Malton GO *plus* the Eglinton Crosstown west phase out to the Airport Corporate Centre *plus* the Finch West LRT extension from Humber College to Pearson Airport via Woodbine (Rexdale/Hwy 27) *plus* the HOV lanes on the 427. Collectively this would serve the airport plus the two major employment centres (south of the 401 and north of the 409) linked to the airport, plus provide cheaper alternatives for employees and travelers bound for Pearson itself.
Val / August 3, 2014 at 01:23 pm
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For those using European cities (esp. London, Stockholm, Oslo) as comparison - consider that:
- London is considered to be the most expensive city in the world. (Why would Toronto seek to emulate that?)

- Sweden and Norway have higher GDP per capita, so it is, technically not as expensive for them.

From a North American perspective, yeah, even New York has cheaper transit...
One word only / August 3, 2014 at 02:23 pm
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Whiners.
kn / August 3, 2014 at 05:07 pm
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It's simple. They are charging what they think they can get away with. If the TTC had half a brain they would have built a special line to the airport 30 yrs ago. They could charge a special surplus and would have paid the line off years ago. Oh right, it takes city council 30 yrs to debate the issue....I wonder how much that cost us?
iSkyscraper replying to a comment from Mike / August 3, 2014 at 08:31 pm
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Mike, read the chart. Most air-rail trains in North America are diesel. Only NYC and Philly are electric, and that was because of legacy requirements due to tunnels.

There is nothing wrong with diesel commuter trains, especially if they save money. The problem here is the fare, not the tech.
David / August 3, 2014 at 09:04 pm
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Shouldn't cost more than $10 !!
GO Train to Oakville is only 15.50 return.
Add transit or cab ride to union station.
That's another 10- 15$ from my place.
Ed P from BC / August 3, 2014 at 09:30 pm
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Don't know how I stumbled into this story, but it just reinforces my feeling that flying through YYZ is just a gouge. Airport hotels are poor quality, I haven't found a good restaurant yet, and everything is inconvenient. Too bad the inlaws live there.
Benjamin Smith / August 3, 2014 at 09:42 pm
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Regarding the parking fee, the GTAA could sell or lease some of its lots to be redeveloped into hotels or other attractions. Not only would they make extra money based on adapting to reduced parking needs rather than gouging, but if placed close to a LINK train station can further the appeal of these new facilities. Why Metrolinx ever agreed to this is beyond me. Was the GTAA going to refuse a near completed train to the airport because they couldn't snatch a few bucks from each fare?

As for the line itself, I predict that it will be a disaster. After the Pan AM games, demand will drop off greatly. Trains will be near empty due to the fare, leading to a vicious cycle of reducing frequencies and increasing fares in a futile attempt to break even. They'll likely cut the stops at Weston and Bloor/Dundas West to try to increase its allure of being a direct express train, but even that will only go so far. Believe it or not, but on the international stage Toronto is not as important as it sometimes thinks it is.

In the end, if a right of centre government is in charge, it will be abandoned, thus making Toronto a greater laughing stock than the Ford Bros ever could. A city losing its airport rail link, no less a city that was once considered to be a world leader in public transit, will be something I don't know we will ever live down.

If a left of centre government is in charge, they will likely operate it as a GO service with fares to match. They may add a few extra stops to attract more commuters from the northwest end of the city to it, but it will still be clearly a commuter class service (2-5km between stops) rather than a rapid transit class (500-2km).
dan / August 3, 2014 at 09:45 pm
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porter! get jets! go overseas even!
Chad / August 3, 2014 at 09:46 pm
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$25 are you joking??? Vancouver, by all accounts a "world class city" only charges $7.25 and that let's you transfer onto any other train/bus/ferry once you're downtown.
dan replying to a comment from kalper / August 3, 2014 at 09:48 pm
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i hope they keep the rocket going. its actually been a pretty functional experience when ive used it!
Who Cares replying to a comment from Brian Cartwright / August 3, 2014 at 10:48 pm
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Who Cares if Brian Cartwright will ride it?
Steve / August 3, 2014 at 11:03 pm
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So many problems with this new service:
- No Express/Local service
- Does not stop at both terminals. It'll take an extra 15 minutes, minimum, to get to terminal 3.
- The line doesn't continue on to KW. If people from the KW region want to fly out of Pearson, they've got to transfer. A lost opportunity to have some trains stop at the airport on their way to KW or Union instead of this spur nonsense.
- Not electrified... which would have allowed express/local service
- Too few stations along the line
- It is being promoted as a connection to union, instead of a way for Torontonians along the line to get to the airport. Airport workers don't usually live at Union. But they are most definitely living close to the line throughout the inner suburbs.
- The price. Tokyo's local train to Narita costs about $10, or $30 for the express option. That's pretty great value for a 70+KM trip in 55 minutes. This service should be about $7 for local, or $15 for express.
Anita / August 4, 2014 at 06:27 am
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Take a cab folks.
Who Cares if Ben Cartwright... / August 4, 2014 at 10:06 am
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...or Hoss or Little Joe takes it, but Adam and Hop Sing not taking it, that's a problem.
David replying to a comment from Val / August 4, 2014 at 11:32 am
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It is indeed a bit tricky to compare to European/Asian cities. The weakness of the Canadian dollar really starts to come into play there. If you start to compare prices, some notion of purchasing power parity has to be invoked which makes Europe more expensive.

If you start comparing to say Narita...it is 57.5 km from Tokyo station to Narita, which is almost triple the 23 km from Union to Pearson. Their electric express trains go considerably faster than anything we might be installing here.

Finally, I had not really thought about the impacts of the diesel technology. That is super outdated to build brand new diesel trains for an urban environment. And not compatible with existing stations? Yikes...I'm starting to see how Toronto ended up with the SRT.
Jessica / August 4, 2014 at 11:33 am
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The current Airport Express which leave from the Royal York Hotel is $27.95. How is this an improvement? I agree with previous posters that I hope they keep the rocket going. $3 to Pearson is worth a few extra stops for a lot of people.
Allen / August 4, 2014 at 11:38 am
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How absurd!! Someone was promised free flights from Porter for this.
Think, Jessica... think. / August 4, 2014 at 12:38 pm
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Jessica, the airport coach service from the Royal York stops at a lot of hotels on the way, and sits and waits for people to come out, stow their luggage and get onboard. It goes a slow, circuitous route to hit as many hotels as possible and fill up the bus. It takes ages to get to the airport.

This new rail service will go directly from A to B in a fraction of the time.

Now think hard.... can you really not figure out how a $25 direct rail service is an improvement over the $27.95 coach service? If not, try thinking hard again! :)I'll try and be a little less sarcastic, if you try and be a bit
iSkyscraper / August 4, 2014 at 06:27 pm
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Huh, this is interesting. There was quite a bit of debate (you can easily google it) but it looks like after considering the speed and pollution and operating cost concerns Denver later switched to electric for their airport line.

http://www.rtd-fastracks.com/nw_47

http://www.rtd-fastracks.com/media/uploads/ep3/11Commuter_Rail_Fact_Sheet.pdf

Many cities still use diesel rail to get to the airport, even new connections (like Providence RI), so I still don't think this is a dealbreaker like the high fare, but this Denver change could be relevant to Toronto.

Vote NDP in the next federal/provincial election / August 4, 2014 at 07:26 pm
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If Metrolinx charges $20 (give or take) then only the wealthy will able to afford it.

Maybe $7 per person per way would be reasonable.

This will represent another screw up courtesy of the bureaucrats behind a desk.
Freddy F / August 4, 2014 at 10:20 pm
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I say make it electric to appease all the NIMBYs, and charge even more for it to cover the extra cost of electrifying it so the few that would even consider taking it would balk at the cost and cry foul.

This is why we can't have nice things Toronto.
David / August 4, 2014 at 11:51 pm
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I say no big deal. If I'm on like a $4000 flight I don't mind spending $30-$40 to get me there...
scottd replying to a comment from Freddy F / August 5, 2014 at 09:00 am
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You are an idiot. Even Metrolinx's own studies state that an electric system would be better and they are now looking at that as part of a DRL. The 2012 Auditor General questioned the business case for the UPExpress, especially at this price and with this few stops. He suggested that an electric system would generate more revenue, serve more people, all without a great difference in travel time. Those that hate diesel want MORE stops and MORE trains that electric would provide and they have been saying it for 7 years. One would know this all if they were not so lost in a cloud of their own all knowingness.
Chester Pape replying to a comment from Jessica / August 5, 2014 at 11:58 am
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You do know that the Airport Express Buses are gone once this thing is running, end of service date has already been announced by the bus company.
rachel replying to a comment from Great idea / August 5, 2014 at 06:55 pm
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Actually to get from Newark to Penn station is between $11-13 one way...Which is supremely more affordable than a price of $20-30. I guess I'll be sticking to my $3 ride instead.
Sam / August 6, 2014 at 09:58 am
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What is left out of this article is this train is privately owned. It's part of Metrolinx's grand scheme to privatize transit in the area. The city and the province have learned nothing from the sale of the 407.

It's disgraceful that other major cities have trains that go directly to their airports without such a high bounty. Metrolinx should be held accountable for this.

And a note to the GTAA, with an estimated cost of $30, I doubt you'll be losing that much in parking revenue. Again, cities like Chicago have trains which go to their airports and the parking hasn't suffered at all.

This isn't public transit. It's private transit for the rich and elite. So, it ends up being about money, greed and power.

Since Metrolinx is the parent company to GO, it is another example of how the city of Toronto is shortchanged in transit in favour of outlying suburbs.

Metrolinx must go. Toronto needs to be able to make its own transit decisions.
Hamish replying to a comment from Sam / August 6, 2014 at 10:26 am
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What a way to hike up the price, because of parking?

Umm the Pearson parking lots are always rammed full as people come from far and wide to use Pearson airport not just from Toronto. How foolish. Is Pearson is the Airport business or the parking business. Should they raise the price because with a more efficient way to get the airport I may not arrive there hours early any more and spend it on food at the airport, lets dump the costs on the train riders. If parking is an issue than raise the cost of parking by a few $$$. They've got a captive market leaving us no where else to go or park.
Greg / August 6, 2014 at 10:29 am
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The cost from Heathrow Airport to London single fair is £5.70 that's $10.51 Canadian.

You want an international airport for a world class city? Act like one, treat passengers and fares with respect, not disrespectfully raping them of their money in pocket.
Train guy replying to a comment from Ben / August 6, 2014 at 09:16 pm
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Should really be called the Almost Union-Pearson Express as the train doesn't actually go into Union Station. It stops before the station on a separate platform in the SkyWalk, so even further from the TTC Union subway stop. No doubt there will be many elevators/escalators to handle luggage.
Train guy replying to a comment from scottd / August 6, 2014 at 09:19 pm
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Also worth pointing out electric is CHEAPER to operate than diesel (even according to Metrolinx). Electric is also faster, quieter, greener, cleaner. Did I mention it's cheaper?
Spike replying to a comment from Demsky / August 8, 2014 at 08:09 pm
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Not having a train to the airport is not a symbol of being 'behind the game' or any other game. It just took a while for people to see a good reason and a good need to be having one. The argument should be what is the best one, and I'm sorry, but this isn't it-an LRT or a subway line to the airport is a much better idea, especially considering the cost of a subway or LRT ride to the airport vs. this expensive thing (which is just another diesel train spitting out pollutants into the air.)
Kelly / August 9, 2014 at 11:43 am
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Have any of you taken the express train from Heathrow to London? It costs £21.00/$38CDN It's expensive, but it's fast. If you don't want to pay that, then you can take the tube which has a much lower rate of £5.70 as our friend Greg quoted above (but again, that isn't the cost of the express train: https://www.heathrowexpress.com/booking/ticket-selection).

We have the same set up here: folks bitching about the cost of the UP can continue to take the TTC for $3, hire a taxi, or hire an airport limo (which is actually cheaper than Beck) -- no one is forcing you to take this train.

Seriously, can't we just be glad that for once something is getting built in this town and stop the constant complaining? This is why we can't have nice things.
realityCheck / August 9, 2014 at 04:45 pm
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@Kelly... No one is forcing people to take this overpriced train. However, as citizens, we are forced to shell out massive amounts of PUBLIC monies on what is essentially an elite priced service that will be used by few people given its pricing. Sorry but this is bad transit planning by any measuring stick.
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Kevin / August 15, 2014 at 05:43 pm
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As someone who travels often, I just have to point a few things out.

https://www.heathrowexpress.com/tickets-deals/prices-fares

http://www.mtr.com.hk/en/customer/tickets/tf_index.html

I think people are confusing the purpose of an airport express train and phase 2 of the Eglinton Crosstown which will go to the airport. UP Express will be Toronto's Heathrow Express. The Crosstown is supposed to be our Piccadilly line. If we want a public transit option to Pearson, we should be demanding the completion of the Eglinton Crosstown to the airport.



Kevin / August 15, 2014 at 07:01 pm
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Doesn't the current Airport Express bus already costs more that $25?

https://www.torontoairportexpress.com/reservation/ae2.aspx?tr=1&;dir=1&dep=1&des=33&pdt=8/15/2014%2012:00:00%20AM&ptm=1900-01-01%2011:20%20PM&ad=1&st=0&ch=0&dis=&
QED replying to a comment from Kevin / August 19, 2014 at 10:33 am
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You're confusing Heathrow Express and Heathrow Connect.

But you're right, there is great demand for public transit to the airport and Eglinton LRT would have solved it. Except it was cancelled and some idiot mayor insisted the western terminal be put underground, so it is now never going to happen. That's what you get for voting in a child for mayor.

Meanwhile, looks like the Star is now stealing Blog TO stories:

http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2014/08/19/keep_unionpearson_express_train_affordable_councillor_urges.html

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