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Star reports that Rob Ford was disruptive in rehab

Posted by Derek Flack / July 9, 2014

Rob Ford rehabNew reports suggest that Rob Ford was anything but a model citizen during his recent stint in rehab. According to the Toronto Star, who has reached out to sources it claims are familiar with Ford's time spent at the Greenstone Clinic. These include a former patient who received treatment at the same time as Ford and a staff member who unsurprisingly spoke on the condition of anonymity. The picture these sources paint is one that diverges significantly from the mayor's repentant rhetoric upon his return to the job.

A few of the choice quotations from the Star article include the following: "Ford broke things, got into fights with other residents," "Ford stopped people from sharing their stories, which is key to a successful rehab experience," "he was always saying he did not belong there."

The reports also indicate that the mayor was asked to leave his therapy group at around the halfway point of the program. Ford has spoken highly of Greenstone since his return, and referred to it as the best facility in the world. He's even gone so far as to claim it saved his life. As seems so typical with the mayor's claims, however, a counter narrative has arisen, one which, if true, is cause for concern as to Ford's prospects for avoiding relapse.

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86 Comments

canuckone / July 9, 2014 at 09:20 am
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I'm glad the truth is getting out. I suspected Ford's side of things was too good to be true.
Arch Stanton / July 9, 2014 at 09:23 am
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Can we get a publication ban on his face already!
iSkyscraper / July 9, 2014 at 09:26 am
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Just watched the video of Ford trying to speak at an outdoor press conference and being disrupted by protesters. Good for them. Ford's days of running around off-leash are over.

But the real reason Ford is a childish moron unfit to be mayor is not just the drug use, the alcoholism, the shaky rehab. It's because he organizes a press conference to denounce the new boulevard design for Eglinton Ave, again with the wrong facts, again with the wrong big picture of the project. His policies are so backwards he isn't fit to govern his own backyard.

Which is hopefully where he will soon be confined.
Mark replying to a comment from iSkyscraper / July 9, 2014 at 09:41 am
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Good luck to the next mayor who wants to give press conferences outside. Apparently they are fair game now too. Can't wait to heckle John Tory about his Rogers past or Olivia Chow about her welfare scamming and her husband's penchant for rub and tugs.
Gayle / July 9, 2014 at 09:47 am
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While I'm against Ford and we all want him out. There is something about this story that breaks patient confidentiality. Sure a former patient may tell the goings on BUT a staff member of the place?
jen replying to a comment from Mark / July 9, 2014 at 10:00 am
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All protesting must be done shirtless. Take it off!!! Ha ha ha ha.
Ray replying to a comment from Mark / July 9, 2014 at 10:03 am
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Agreed. Doesn't even matter if you have the facts or whether or not they've addressed the issue before, just yell, yell, yell, and interrupt


I'd like to know John Torys response to his involvement in having SKYDOME built in 1989 for $600 million taxpayer dollars – $450 million over budget while he was principal secretary to the premier. Then in 2004 Rogers buys SkyDome for $25 million, less than 5 per cent of what it cost taxpayers to have it built in the first place.
dan / July 9, 2014 at 10:05 am
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Re: ethics

1. The Star reporters were approached by individuals at Greenstone, not the other way around.
2. Those approaching the Star were doing it in a whistle-blowing capacity. They were obviously quite concerned their was a serious situation that had gone down, and the claims of a smooth rehab for Mr. Ford at Greenstone was obscuring the truth.
3. This disclosure was not just about Rob Ford. To the extent the witnesses were telling the truth, this 'rehabilitation' facility was seriously compromising the right of other patients to recovery.
4. If Greenstone was so seriously failing in its mission, any provincial health accreditation shoud come under scrutiny.
5. Mr. Ford was absent from office, but was still a candidate for election. He was still a public figure, and there was a right-to-know aspect remaining.
6. While avoiding disclosure breaches, Greenstone itself was very clearly so disturbed by the events reported, that they felt the need to relate to the Star that where group-treatment programs were unsatisfactory for a patient, private one-on-one sessions could be substituted. Why on earth would they mention that if it weren't a broad hint, in the context, that there was something unsatisfactory about Ford's group-sessions? Where there's smoke, there's fire.
Gus / July 9, 2014 at 10:08 am
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You all know that Ford Nation doesn't exist right? Never did never was. Was just a term coined by the Ford Bros. but there is no Ford Nation, just a term they've used to make others feel they control the elections and support.
Rich / July 9, 2014 at 10:11 am
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Ray and Mark are killing the astroturfing today... great job guys. Totally can't tell you're paid plants. Keep up the fantastic shill-work.
Davy Gravy replying to a comment from Mark / July 9, 2014 at 10:11 am
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No doubt you'll do as you please, but if you can't appreciate the depth of the anger and disgust aroused by *this particular mayor* then apparently you've been asleep for the past few years.

That doesn't mean his successor is "fair game" unless he or she too flouts the law, makes a mess and a mockery of municipal affairs, and spends his or her entire term as a public spectacle and international disgrace to the city.
Tim replying to a comment from dan / July 9, 2014 at 10:13 am
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Yes but they fail to state whether his behavior improved over his stay. Many addicts in rehab become aggressive, etc as they go through withdrawl and all the emotions that come with it.

Even if it is whistle blowing and they approached the Star it still breaks patient confidentiality.
Oh Mark... replying to a comment from Mark / July 9, 2014 at 10:14 am
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...you can tilt at imaginary windmills all you like, but you've already lost. The person you are voting for in October? Already dead in the water.

Same happened to Hudak.

Same's gonna happen to Harper.

Face it...you and your ilk are yesterday's news. Welcome to the dustbin of history, old man.

(Buh-bye!)
mar replying to a comment from Rich / July 9, 2014 at 10:19 am
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You sound like Doug Ford. People protesting Ford do not work for the other campaigns. And believe it or not there are probably a few miserable idiots who support Ford without being on the payroll.
tommy replying to a comment from Mark / July 9, 2014 at 10:23 am
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There's a certain level of decorum and respect given to people in the public eye. They're unwritten rules to be sure, but they're enforced by public opinion and blow-back. That there has been very little anger or disagreement with the Ford protesters shows that the public is ok with this, and implicitly agrees with their message. Similar protests against Tory or Chow would have much more public consternation, and ultimately would just make Ford look even worse.
Jacob / July 9, 2014 at 10:23 am
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Pantless Protest against CHOW!
bernie Q / July 9, 2014 at 10:25 am
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Rehab isn't a magic wand or a reset button its merely an opportunity to reflect on your behavior and your reasons behind your behavior and an opportunity to dedicate yourself to a new behavior.

Old habits die hard. Especially addictive ones like alcoholism. Alcoholism leads to a lack of inhibition, and... hard illegal drugs if you are prone to consuming them in the first place. Just trying to use willpower against addiction is like using willpower against diarrhea.. But Robby is stubborn bullheaded and a big bully and he figures he can lie and hide again..
Amy replying to a comment from tommy / July 9, 2014 at 10:27 am
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And there's a certain amount of the public that wants nothing to do with Chow and would gladly welcome the same kind of protest against her and would not have anything to do with Ford.
Malcolm / July 9, 2014 at 10:32 am
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The real story here is that despite Robbo's well-documented lying, drug use, alcohol abuse and homophobia, there's always going to be a core group of knuckleheads who believe everything he says.
Andrew / July 9, 2014 at 10:32 am
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I'm as anti-Ford as anyone, but I'm not sure why blogTO keeps posting political articles, which diverges far from the intent of the website. People subscribe to blogTO to stay on top of cool new bars, restaurants, foodie events, and general things to do. Politics just doesn't fit here, yet you post about every little update from Rob Ford. You don't post about other city politics, just Ford politics. It doesn't make any sense. Keep your website free of politics like all the other city blogs; 7x7.com, for example, is San Francico's equivalent of blogTO, and not once have they mixed in politics.
Ian / July 9, 2014 at 10:40 am
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FORD should start giving these pansies the Shawinigan Chokehold like Jean Chrétien did to that protester back in 1996.

The the Premier can choke a protester surely a mayor should be able to do the same.
Jacob / July 9, 2014 at 10:43 am
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Whoever decided Rob Ford was a good fit for group therapy had obviously never watched a Toronto City Council meeting in the last 10 years.
The Shakes / July 9, 2014 at 10:43 am
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I can't wait until this clown and Mammoliti are voted out and just a distant memory. Hopefully one day we'll be able to look back and chuckle when Blogto runs retro articles called, "That Time Toronto Was Run by a Buffoon" or "That Time When Toronto Lost it's Mind and Voted In Complete Human Garbage"
Allan replying to a comment from The Shakes / July 9, 2014 at 10:48 am
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Agreed! We want this to go the polls so Ford and his people will know the PEOPLE did not choose him. THe TAXPAYERS aren't interested in him. Getting him to resign or booting him out will always leave the fact "he coulda won but we didn't finish the race". Stop calling for him to resign and let the people have their say.
R / July 9, 2014 at 10:50 am
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Never trust a crackhead.
MER1978 replying to a comment from Mark / July 9, 2014 at 10:50 am
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Last time I checked John Tory got plenty of flack for his actions at Rogers from people who were actually impacted by those actions... there were consequences and he dealt with them at the time... still not happy about your Rogers services... maybe you should be complaining to Rogers. That is 100% not the same as what is happening to Rob Ford where he has yet to suffer any sort of a consequence for his actions while holding the title of mayor.

Your Olivia complaints aren't even worth addressing as they are both transparently total BS.
Grizzly87 replying to a comment from Jacob / July 9, 2014 at 10:51 am
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This is all that needs to be said.
glenn storey / July 9, 2014 at 10:51 am
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if the fords had to punch themselves in the face every time they lied or said something stupid, they'd never heal.
Chester replying to a comment from dan / July 9, 2014 at 10:53 am
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My question is: Why did they go to the Star?? They could of gone to numerous other news outlets too. Isn't it a bit ironic that The Star, a newspaper that has a serious problem with Ford reporting on the story. I dislike Ford like everyone else, and I will make my statement come election day by voting for another candidate, but are people really that naive.

Do people really think the media doesn't influence how people vote and it's always The Star reporting on these stories with inside sources.
Hugh / July 9, 2014 at 10:53 am
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Did people really think otherwise ?
Even the people who have been the die hard "hanger-ons" are loosing their steam to the witnessing this ridiculous train wreck.
Rob Ford is "keeping the wolves at bay" as it were, to do and say all the things that create the "facade of Rob Ford" alive and well with only one thing in mind, himself, and the pursuit of instant gratification.
Parker / July 9, 2014 at 11:00 am
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I'm not surprised, Rob Ford is an agent of chaos. Everything he touches turns to shit.
what a joke / July 9, 2014 at 11:33 am
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Likes fresh air and long walks in the woods at night. This loser is headed for defeat.
dan replying to a comment from Tim / July 9, 2014 at 11:41 am
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My reference to ethics was primarily on the journalistic disclosure side. And the other witnesses who spoke out were less answerable than staff to the minutiae of ethics. They have a fr ik in' right to proper treatment, and neither Ford nor the staff nor the rule book should get in the way of that. They had a right to speak out, and the press did well to communicate those concerns ot a public that had a right and need to hear.

Patient confidentiality is one of those strong criteria that nevertheless can be trumped by the balance of interests. For example, if patient violence is serious enough that orderlies cannot contain it and the police must be called in. We don't know if they were called in specifically on Ford's account, but where Greenstone felt they had to refer to alternative arrangements, there must have been a reason, given the context of the Star's enquiry.
dan replying to a comment from Chester / July 9, 2014 at 11:44 am
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We don't know whether or not they went to other outlets as well. Other outlets could have sat on the story.
dan replying to a comment from Uh, Tommy... / July 9, 2014 at 11:48 am
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I love that news site that always shows Rob with his face in his hand, and the caption "NOW What?"

With Rob and Doug, we always know there's plenty more 'What' to come.
Shane / July 9, 2014 at 11:59 am
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Jack Layton's health was off limits.
Shane / July 9, 2014 at 12:06 pm
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The hereditary nature of Bi-Polar disorder is not mentioned in stories about Justin Trudeau.
robfordcansuckit / July 9, 2014 at 12:08 pm
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Rob ford can suck it.
It would be very interesting to see what would happen if he wins again! Would the city strip him of his powers? If so then that makes us the voters pointless and city council as those in charge. Democracy would fail in Canada in this instance.

But we will never find out cuz fat man can run in this election without people telling him to goto hell.

HAHAHA

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chester replying to a comment from dan / July 9, 2014 at 12:20 pm
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It's 2014 no one sits on news anymore. I looked and no other news source is featuring this on there front page like the Star is.
Marc replying to a comment from Chester / July 9, 2014 at 12:21 pm
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There's nothing ironic about that. It's actually expected.
Jess replying to a comment from chester / July 9, 2014 at 12:27 pm
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That's because there is other ACTUAL news to report on that is more important than this story.
MER1978 / July 9, 2014 at 01:01 pm
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@Chester.. "My question is: Why did they go to the Star?? They could of gone to numerous other news outlets too. Isn't it a bit ironic that The Star, a newspaper that has a serious problem with Ford reporting on the story."

The Star has been proven right about the Fords many many many times.. this whole conspiracy talking point is getting seriously old.
W. K. Lis / July 9, 2014 at 01:13 pm
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Rob Ford had to be removed from group sessions because of his behaviour, and put into individual one-on-one sessions. Shows that Rob Ford is NOT a team player, but a lone wolf.
chester replying to a comment from MER1978 / July 9, 2014 at 01:32 pm
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I'm not implying a conspiracy I'm pointing out how easily influenced the media has on the electorate. There are other left leaning news outlets like the Globe who don't go on this witch hunt stuff. I think we are all drawn on our convictions on Ford by now. I don't need some useless story about what the guy had for breakfast just so we can rip on him some more. Because let's be honest all these "reports" are to just to keep the dead horse alive to sell more papers. There's no integrity in their journalism. Furthermore I actually know a Editor who made some pretty biased comments about Ford to me 3 years ago that make me question every ounce of the subjectivity of that news source.
Nincom Pupe / July 9, 2014 at 01:36 pm
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Whether it is Ford's or Olivia Chow's admitted use of drugs, why not try to focus on the issues of running the city instead of what they do in their private time? Do we really need to know what went on in a rehab centre where there was supposed to be patient confidentiality?
Chris replying to a comment from Nincom Pupe / July 9, 2014 at 01:47 pm
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Actually, when Ford's "recovery" from rehab, plus his claims of being a changed man are clearly front and centre in his re-election campaign, as part of his ploy to win back the remnants of his old "Ford Nation" voter bloc, then yes, it actually does matter. Besides, Ford doesn't talk about issues - he spews unsubstantiated platitudes that amount to little more than press releases, even when he debates. When has he ever expressed an opinion on any issue besides calling it "gravy"? He's a one note clown.

That, coupled with his completely outrageous behaviour while acting in the capacity of Mayor, actually makes "the other stuff" far more pertinent in his narrative than his views on any issues.

Ford, more than anyone, makes his personal foibles front and centre.
research? replying to a comment from chester / July 9, 2014 at 01:54 pm
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The Globe left leaning?!!!! That's a joke right? The just endorsed Hudak (Hudak!) they also endorsed Harper in the past two Federal elections.
dan replying to a comment from chester / July 9, 2014 at 02:10 pm
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Sure they do. Lots of outlets sat on a huge mass of the Assange leaks, even when Wikileaks had a specific arrangement with them.

Only a tip of the iceberg of all potential stories get published. Certainly the Star, because of its traditional antipathy towards the Fords, will publish more than they ought to. That fly-on-the-wall article about Ford, sister, Ford beating up Lisi, etc. was a low point. Just not enough verification to warrant it.
dan replying to a comment from Nincom Pupe / July 9, 2014 at 02:16 pm
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Apparently some staff and patients believed that that we really DO need to know. Especially when they saw that we apparently 'needed to know' (because the Ford/Warmington camp said so) that everything went pretty smoothly with Ford in rehab.

I'm grateful to those who have divulged this publicly significant information to the Star, and to the Star for bringing it to voters' attention.
dan replying to a comment from dan / July 9, 2014 at 02:20 pm
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Hmm... Respondees seem to have been omitted in the comment header. Oh well, hope you can sort it out anyway.
Perry Como replying to a comment from dan / July 9, 2014 at 02:38 pm
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lies lies lies……….this never happened
Mark / July 9, 2014 at 02:52 pm
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Olivia Chow did far more damage to this city when she was a councilor than Ford has done as Mayor. Ford hasn't taken subsidized housing away from needy people like Chow did.
Gus replying to a comment from dan / July 9, 2014 at 02:54 pm
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I was going to vote for him because up until today everything he's done is fine BUT now after hearing he broke things in rehab I'm not voting for him. Thanks for bringing this story to the public.
MER1978 replying to a comment from chester / July 9, 2014 at 03:11 pm
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"I'm not implying a conspiracy I'm pointing out how easily influenced the media has on the electorate."

Yes media does relay information that influences the electorate... is that somehow new? How else are people supposed to learn about mayoral candidates?

"There are other left leaning news outlets like the Globe who don't go on this witch hunt stuff."

How do you figure this is a "witch hunt"... the mayor runs away from yet another controversy and we are told it's because he is in rehab... finally says most of the city... a very short time later he's back and finishes off his "rehab has taught me many things" infomercial with a whole lot of BS campaign rhetoric. Reporting that contrary to what he has been saying his rehab was a huge failure is absolutely in the public interest if he is going to use it as an excuse for his disgusting behavior.

"I think we are all drawn on our convictions on Ford by now. I don't need some useless story about what the guy had for breakfast just so we can rip on him some more."

Well feel free to tell Rob Ford to stop using his "breakfast" as an excuse for his past behavior and then nobody will have a need to report on his "breakfast".

"Because let's be honest all these "reports" are to just to keep the dead horse alive to sell more papers."

Right the fact that he hasn't resigned and is still running for re election has nothing to do with the fact that his atrocious behavior still ends up plastered all over the media... right.

"There's no integrity in their journalism. Furthermore I actually know a Editor who made some pretty biased comments about Ford to me 3 years ago that make me question every ounce of the subjectivity of that news source."

Do share what you would consider biased comments about Ford... anyone who has been paying any attention to city hall in the last 10 years knew Rob Ford was never an appropriate candidate for mayor.
Swarm of Ford Locusts / July 9, 2014 at 03:12 pm
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We are hungry. More Toronto to eat! More! Vote Ford! FEED US TORONTO! FEED US!
mark stables / July 9, 2014 at 03:34 pm
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Rofo didnt even have tye ball$ to stand up in council today to show appreciation for world pride. the real queers are rofo and dofo, two bellends clearly 'touched' by doug ford senior, likely somewhere between the lie-detector test and dying cause of alcohol abuse. Yes thats right, rofo and dofos papa was a drunk, wife-beater and a pedophile.
Chester replying to a comment from MER1978 / July 9, 2014 at 03:54 pm
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You want information on a candidate, there's this amazing thing called the internet and a website called www.google.com it will give you many links of information regarding that particular person. After you decipher through all the bullshit you may find what you're looking for.

If you don't like Rob Ford so be it, I don't like Rob Ford, most people on BlogTo don't like Rob Ford, but you know what he was elected fair and square. First and foremost I believe in democracy and although or electoral system may not be perfect it works. He's is not going to resign there is no precedent for him to resign. People who continue to call for him to resign don't get it. As constituents we do have a choice though. Maybe instead of the pathetic 51% turnout we had last election we can get people out from behind the safety of the internet where they bitch and whine about things they have no control over and get them to a voters booth.

When someone is elected by the majority of voters you have to learn to respect that. There were corrupt politicians before Ford and there will be corrupt politicians after he's gone. A story about him in rehab would never paint anyone in a positive light...seriously come on it's rehab, It's not a holiday at Sandals, it's a crappy place to be regardless of who you are. And did you expect anything but a negative story from him in rehab, that's what makes it a witch hunt. It truly is none of our business.

And if everyone knew Ford wasn't a deserving candidate over the last 10 years they sure did a weird thing by electing him as mayor.
#FordMoreYears, Irwin Mimico, Mark et al / July 9, 2014 at 04:02 pm
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We apologize unreservedly to Toronto for supporting the abomination also known as Rob Ford, aliases: Human Cess Pool, Liarman and Bullyarseliarman.
Sean / July 9, 2014 at 04:03 pm
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We don't want public officials breaking the laws and using illegal substances and if they are found to be doing so and whether they are charged for the offences does not make such behavior acceptable and indeed such an individual is not fit for public office.
Add to this many elligible candidates now running for the mayors office who are not and have never been caught doing illegal activity should now be considered for the job and the latter goes in to history as a warning on what happens when voters elect people without looking them over carefully and in Rob Fords case the warning signs were there with Ford's behaviour in city council for ten years.
Dave replying to a comment from Sean / July 9, 2014 at 04:24 pm
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Olivia Chow smoked pot while she was the school-board trustee. That is unacceptable.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/olivia-chow-smoked-pot-a-little-bit-as-school-board-trustee-1.2572962
MER1978 replying to a comment from Chester / July 9, 2014 at 04:24 pm
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@Chester...

"You want information on a candidate, there's this amazing thing called the internet .. bla bla bla"...

I'll come get you when I have to tell all seniors that they are only allowed to use the internet for information.

"If you don't like Rob Ford so be it, I don't like Rob Ford, most people on BlogTo don't like Rob Ford, but you know what he was elected fair and square."

He was... but I'm pretty sure there would be thousands of people who voted for him that might point out the fact that he wasn't open about being a non stop liar who spends all of his free time with criminals during that election.

"He's is not going to resign there is no precedent for him to resign."

What does that even mean? He isn't going to resign because he's an entitled bully with no shame... him not resigning has nothing to do with "precedent".

"People who continue to call for him to resign don't get it."

Sure they do... politicians have to live up to the person that people feel they elected otherwise many will demand resignation.

"Maybe instead of the pathetic 51% turnout we had last election we can get people out from behind the safety of the internet where they bitch and whine about things they have no control over and get them to a voters booth."

I swear I've heard this before... oh right it's standard Ford-speak... everyone in the world is to blame for the fact that the Fords are total BS... heaven forbid we demand that they be held accountable for what they've done.

"When someone is elected by the majority of voters you have to learn to respect that."

1. Rob Ford was not elected by the majority of voters.
2. I don't care how many votes a politician gets... if they start pulling some awful BS I will call them out on that... as will many other people... democracy doesn't end once the ballots are counted.

"There were corrupt politicians before Ford and there will be corrupt politicians after he's gone."

Yeah so what?

"A story about him in rehab would never paint anyone in a positive light...seriously come on it's rehab, It's not a holiday at Sandals, it's a crappy place to be regardless of who you are."

Funny because that's completely contrary to the BS narrative that the Fords have been spinning in an effort to get re-elected. Seriously... if Rob Ford had actually went to rehab and made a real effort to get better then actually it would be a positive story... at least when it comes to his personal health.

"And did you expect anything but a negative story from him in rehab, that's what makes it a witch hunt. It truly is none of our business."

If Rob Ford resigned and was not running for mayor again absolutely this wouldn't be any of our business... but that's not the case sorry. He has chosen and continues to choose the spotlight so he deserves all of the attention he is getting as a result of that decision.

"And if everyone knew Ford wasn't a deserving candidate over the last 10 years they sure did a weird thing by electing him as mayor."

I don't believe I said everyone knew... I said "anyone who has been paying any attention to city hall in the last 10 years knew"... before Rob Ford came along and there was a constant stream of BS from him + his brother few people paid much attention to what happened at city hall.
Chester replying to a comment from MER1978 / July 9, 2014 at 04:34 pm
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Bud, I'm no Ford supporter but facts are facts, nothing that you're saying is gonna change anything until election day.

"Maybe instead of the pathetic 51% turnout we had last election we can get people out from behind the safety of the internet where they bitch and whine about things they have no control over and get them to a voters booth."

I swear I've heard this before... oh right it's standard Ford-speak... everyone in the world is to blame for the fact that the Fords are total BS... heaven forbid we demand that they be held accountable for what they've done.

- That makes no sense what you said here??? Yes I do get offended when people complain about politics when they've never seen the inside of a voters booth. You can't pick and choose when you want to take part in our political process. Because if you do it just makes you a hypocrite.

And seriously you got some pent up anger man. I'm not here to share my political views because I've always believed those are personal to each person. I'm just making a point people need to make a clear concise decision based on their own beliefs and intentions. Its easy to listen to whoever shouts loudest aka. YOU. whether you're right or wrong.
Albert / July 9, 2014 at 04:36 pm
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Interesting how so many point fingers at newspapers and anyone else and try to give Rob Ford a pass for his outrageous behavior while in the office of mayor.
Yes he got elected and now someone else will be elected who knows how to behave in public office.
I don't care if Rob Ford took a vacation in a rehab facility because it's not just his substance abuse problem that is the issue here. He does not work with council on anything and has been confrontational and bullying and disrespectful toward other ELECTED councilors. Rob Ford is history , and hopefully his brother Dough as well , next election. Time to bring Toronto back to sanity with careful voting and review of all candidates running and not be voting on slogans and other nonsense but vote with some knowledge of who you want running this city that can stick to the business of running the city instead of bickering and fighting.
Shane! Come back, Shane! We need you! Momma needs you... / July 9, 2014 at 04:37 pm
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...to think: Stories don't mention bi-polar because Justin isn't bi-polar. Jack Layton's health issues were widely known and reported. Shane-are you writing fiction on purpose or are you stupid & ill-informed? Perhaps you are a Ford plant? By that I mean you have vegetable matter instead of brain cells.
Dave? Shirley? / July 9, 2014 at 04:39 pm
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Back from the dead & still inane?
MER1978 replying to a comment from Chester / July 9, 2014 at 05:03 pm
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"That makes no sense what you said here??? Yes I do get offended when people complain about politics when they've never seen the inside of a voters booth. You can't pick and choose when you want to take part in our political process. Because if you do it just makes you a hypocrite."

Really... you know loads of people who complain non stop about politics but never vote... I highly doubt that. As we just saw in the provincial election... and will probably see with high voter turnout in October... voters are VERY motivated by negative feelings towards politicians.

"I'm not here to share my political views because I've always believed those are personal to each person. I'm just making a point people need to make a clear concise decision based on their own beliefs and intentions."

It's funny because you were just complaining about voter turnout... when everyone keeps their political views to themselves a lot of people aren't exposed to information that would otherwise motivate them to vote. I've convinced plenty of my friends to vote in the last few years precisely because I don't think political views should be some dark secret.

Your point originally was anger at the Star for daring to print a negative story about Rob Ford... you've since switched to super generic arguments about people not voting enough.
Chester replying to a comment from MER1978 / July 9, 2014 at 05:20 pm
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I was never angry at the Star, I was just curious as to why they ran the story while no one else did. People keeping their political views to themselves has nothing to do with voter turnout. If you care you vote its simple as that. Personally my family came from fascist and communist governments before they immigrated here so its a sense of pride about being Canadian that I vote. We truly don't realize how good we have it here.

Yes my original argument was about one thing and it turned into another that's what an argument is, lol. You made a point, I made a point, you retorted and so did I now were here. You are just putting words in my mouth now. I'm not disagreeing with your opinion, I enjoy debate but don't get defensive by just repeating the same thing back to me then turning into something different. You're starting to sound like you work for The Star lol.

Dansel / July 9, 2014 at 05:48 pm
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Notice how quiet things were when Rob Ford has been away . Let's return to that silence on election day and boot out the Ford's and hopefully Mamoliti and keep Dough Holyday from being reelected. Let's turn over the rotten garden and replant a fresh crop.
MER1978 replying to a comment from Chester / July 9, 2014 at 06:40 pm
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"I was never angry at the Star, I was just curious as to why they ran the story while no one else did."

Oh please... you couldn't have more clearly implied that the Star was either making up the story or somehow decided to write it for nefarious purposes... "Why did they go to the Star?? They could of gone to numerous other news outlets too. Isn't it a bit ironic that The Star, a newspaper that has a serious problem with Ford reporting on the story."

"People keeping their political views to themselves has nothing to do with voter turnout."

Of course it has an impact... people who grow up in a family where politics and voting is some sort of a dark secret might not have the slightest clue how our system works by the time they're old enough to vote themselves.

Passively consuming information and making decisions on your own is better than nothing... but debate and conversation forces people to view issues from multiple angles and gain a much better understanding.
Chester replying to a comment from MER1978 / July 9, 2014 at 07:05 pm
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Oh please... you couldn't have more clearly implied that the Star was either making up the story or somehow decided to write it for nefarious purposes... "Why did they go to the Star?? They could of gone to numerous other news outlets too. Isn't it a bit ironic that The Star, a newspaper that has a serious problem with Ford reporting on the story."

- Once again you're making an assumption about my point of view and bending words. I wasn't angry at The Star for this. It's an observation, chill man the world is not against you, lol.

I think people don't vote not because its a dark secret, but they might think there vote doesn't count or there is no real worthy candidates. Hence our last provincial election.
Irwin Mimico / July 9, 2014 at 07:25 pm
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I hope the rehab facility does an internal investigation. The staff member who said these things needs to be fired ASAP! This is breach of trust. If this is true or not, or if you like or hate Mr. Ford you have to admit that this is wrong. It's rehab, your suppose to let your feelings out with the assurance that whatever you say or do is confidential.
Irwin Mimico's Mommy / July 9, 2014 at 08:21 pm
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Irwin! I declare! Take a bath and go to bed! You know thinking is not your strong suit! Landsakes child, you know Mr. Ford made his rehab a political issue. Irwin-concentrate on your toilet training!
Frank / July 9, 2014 at 09:57 pm
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Rob Ford and Giorgio Mammoliti are shrewd business men with the likes of Steve Jobs, Richard Branson and Ted Rogers. All of which are and were pig headed, stubborn, ruthless and would do anything to get to achieve success they were after even if it meant lying, stealing or cheating.

Ford and Mammoliti are in the public sector so we are exposed to their antics and outrages. Meanwhile behind closed doors in the private sector Jobs, Branson and Rogers were pushing people to tears, cutting jobs and having the whole corporation and the face behind be about themselves.
Frankenstein / July 9, 2014 at 11:33 pm
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Rob Ford and Giorgio Mammoliti are shrewish bitchimen with the likenesses of Rumpelstiltskin and Rowdy Piper. All of which are evil pig-headed troglodytes who consumed people and were heroes of the stupid. Fooling the weak-brained they reveled in their sloth, destroying all that was good while microbrains like Irwin Mimico did their bidding and destroyed themselves.
Frank replying to a comment from Frank / July 10, 2014 at 01:17 am
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Rob will go down in Canadian political history. He has pushed the laws and has more laws changed around him by the court of law allowing him to do whatever he likes.
Dawn / July 10, 2014 at 01:42 am
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AGREED! Rob Fords mark on this city will go down in the great annuals of Canadian Politics.
Rob Ford is getting the first Canadian vote the first real Canadian
shell / July 10, 2014 at 02:02 am
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Jacob-you're funny!(Thanks for the laugh.)
Davy Gravy replying to a comment from Irwin Mimico / July 10, 2014 at 10:11 am
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Interesting to see that breach of trust is something you find unacceptable. Except when Rob Ford does it, of course.
Dre replying to a comment from Davy Gravy / July 10, 2014 at 10:52 am
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Yes we all know what Rob Ford is and does. I expect better from health care professionals in this province and this seems to keep happening.

Rouge Valley Hospital Insider sold patients' personal information to private marketing companies.
http://www.esecurityplanet.com/network-security/rouge-valley-hospital-insider-breach-affects-8300-patients.html
Movement to Smack Rob Ford Across His Pig Face With A Large Fish / July 10, 2014 at 05:37 pm
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Shirtless protest not enough. It's fish bitch slapping time!
Irwinn Mimico / July 11, 2014 at 02:15 pm
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But that's assault! I mean fishault!
bud the etobicoke spud replying to a comment from Ray / July 11, 2014 at 02:17 pm
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I'd like to know the average temp on Mars in 1932.
Jason / July 12, 2014 at 04:45 pm
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It looks like all his troubles are not helping in the election thank god.
Bitch Slap Ford Now! / July 13, 2014 at 05:59 pm
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With a large dead smelly fish. Do it now!
staunch pants / July 16, 2014 at 02:41 pm
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I can't wait to vote for Robbie Ford come election time. And he only gets my vote because I know how much it will annoy you people :)
staunch pants II / July 18, 2014 at 10:41 am
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Or you could stick pins in your balls instead...same effect, douchebag

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