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New in Toronto real estate: Dundas Square Gardens condos

Posted by Staff / May 8, 2014

Dundas Square CondosDundas Square Gardens will soar above the corner of Dundas and Jarvis Street by 2017. The 47-storey main tower will eclipse the rest of the neighbourhood with a glass and white stone façade that will top up on a lantern-type crown. A secondary 18-storey "garden" tower will offer a more modest and private boutique-style option with separate elevators. Yay for scale.

The project's most noteworthy feature is its 16,000 sq.ft. outdoor space scattered across five rooftop patios on the garden tower. Unit-wise, Dundas Square Gardens offers a selection of 66 floor plans with terraces of up to 575 sq.ft -- that is, if you go for the two or three bedroom offerings. The rest are destined for standard balconies. The horror.

Dundas Square CondosSPECS

  • Address: 200 Dundas St. East
  • Storeys: 47-storey main tower + 18-storey garden tower.
  • Number of Units: 968 units
  • Types of Units: Studio, 1, 1+den, 2, 2+den, 3 bedrooms.
  • Units Sizes: From 305 to 773 sq. ft.
  • Walkscore: 95 out of 100
  • Price: Starting at $199,998
  • Parking: $45,000
  • Lockers: $5,000 (free for the first 300 buyers).
  • Maintenance Fee: $0.54/Sq.ft. (hydro metered separately).
  • Architect: Page+Steele | IBI Group Architects
  • Interior Designer: Munge Leung
  • Developer: Easton's Group

Dundas Square CondosFEATURES

  • 24/7 concierge service
  • Underground parking and storage lockers
  • 8.5 ft. high ceiling units
  • Laminate wood flooring throughout
  • Integrated stainless steel appliances and stackable washer/dryer
  • European-style bathroom sinks, laminate wood cabinetry and porcelain floor tiles

Dundas Square CondosTHE VERDICT

Even though Dundas Square Gardens offers lots of unit-variety in this very demanding market, when it comes to size, you'll have to lower your expectations. Studios start at 305 sq.ft. expanding to two to three bedrooms that stuff into 773 sq.ft. (or less). You better have an IKEA designer's penchant for organization and fancy shelving units. With more than three quarters of the development dedicated to studios and one bedroom units, this will be a "young" building. And, hey, kids are annoying in elevators, always pushing the buttons for each floor.

What sets this development apart is the outdoor integration with its five rooftops gardens. Mind you, calling them "gardens" is a bit of an overstatement, since there's in fact little pure green space. It's tough to argue with the location, though. Hence the mediocrity elsewhere? Hmmm.

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Writing by Cathy Esaa

Discussion

25 Comments

Spike / May 8, 2014 at 03:49 am
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When will there ever be affordable housing built? And when will it be big enough to house families?
Joey / May 8, 2014 at 03:56 am
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According to that last image, not only will they be constructing a condominium at the North-East corner of Dundas/Jarvis, but they'll be moving Yonge-Dundas Square to Yonge/Sherbourne, moving Brookfield Place to Cabbagetown and placing the CN Tower in north Riverdale.
Phil / May 8, 2014 at 07:22 am
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Spike, the city should build those affordable housing units with your and other people's taxes, unless you want to open a company and build it yourself with your own money and go bankrupt. I advise you to take a course in math, economics, finance.
Phil / May 8, 2014 at 07:25 am
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European families have been having families in tiny condos for decades, i think you should adapt and stop being entitled.
ARC replying to a comment from Joey / May 8, 2014 at 09:00 am
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Yeah that last image is all kinds of wrong...for one thing they are Filmores in the background!
Harvinder / May 8, 2014 at 09:14 am
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Move to brampton spike. Most families there make housing affordable. They got 4 families living in one home. Your family plus your brother and sister in laws family's under one roof. That's how they do it!
iSkyscraper / May 8, 2014 at 09:21 am
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Where is the affordable housing? Right here, and the Americans are noticing:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-05-08/toronto-bets-c-2-billion-on-crack-haven-housing-makeover.html

(Amazingly, the above story mentions "crack" without mentioning "Rob Ford". End of an era?)

In order to get affordable housing into private buildings, you need a) regulations requiring it, so that the marketplace can price the land accordingly and b) incentives (cash or density) for the developer, or else it won't make financial sense. New York did pretty well under Bloomberg with an 80/20 model, but de Blasio's new 50/30/20 model may result in approximately zero new buildings over the next few years. Keep an eye on New York:

http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2014/05/05/de_blasio_unveils_10year_41b_affordable_housing_plan.php

As for size of apartments, that's just a function of the marketplace. Developers don't care about unit mix or apartment size. All that matters is providing something that the market will sell, and at a high enough price per square ft. The day that 2 larger apartments are worth more than 3 smaller ones is the day you will see larger units. That is often the case in New York, where you get stuff like this, though note that prices START at $7.5 Million:

http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2014/04/14/a_glimpse_at_cetraruddys_new_village_condos_robot_parking.php

My theory is that since Toronto is a growing city that does not build rental housing (due to the onerous rent control laws that have scared off developers since the 1970s), condos are, at least in part, the de facto new rental housing stock that the marketplace craves. So they are built small so that they the weird single-investor-buy-and-rent model can function. Since the city is blessed with a very large number of houses (unlike Manhattan), demand for family living and the resulting price pressure has happened in that market and not the vertical condo one. Unless rent control is repealed and the detached/semi-detached housing market goes completely insane, I don't see this pattern changing. (Although at least on the latter item we might be close to the tipping point).
Nearby Neighbour / May 8, 2014 at 09:34 am
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Hard to argue with the location? Maybe you've never been to Jarvis and Dundas, or dared to take a stroll along George Street at any time of day.
Chris P / May 8, 2014 at 09:37 am
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That last image is a complete farce! LOL. A forest where the parking lot is? I never knew the city core was north east of this building, instead of south west like it actually is! Someone slap the graphic designer across the head.
Spread Eagled / May 8, 2014 at 09:44 am
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Hey Spike: The city is full of "affordable housing"...every house/condo that sells is affordable to someone. What you want is subsidized housing. I appreciate that "affordable" sounds nicer than "subsidized" but lets grow up and use proper language.
?? / May 8, 2014 at 10:29 am
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Outside of the mystery forest and what at the present is an empty lot and not some small brown building, what is everyone's issue with the image?

Its taken facing west on Dundas, just east of Jarvis, where the hotel stands today.

Everything is where it should be.
iSkyscraper / May 8, 2014 at 10:41 am
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If I understand this correctly, the building is replacing the Hilton Garden Inn on the northeast corner of Dundas and Jarvis. The rendering shows this, and the parking lot/forest and other corner buildings exactly right, as if you standing on the SW corner and looking northeast.

But this means the entire skyline/Dundas Square is wrong, because that is the skyline as if you were standing on the NE corner looking southwest. They mixed the NE foreground with the SW background, which is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen in a rendering, and I've seen quite a bit.

Still like the building though, and the idea of development in this very scruffy stretch. Was only a matter of time until the west side filled up and developers started working on the east side of Yonge.

Now, about those five lanes of cars on Jarvis that the crackhead mayor left us with...
Jack Masdeon / May 8, 2014 at 12:07 pm
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Stay far away from this development. The builder, Eastons Group is headed by a man named Steve Gupta and he's likely one of the worst developers in the city. If you can even call him a developer. More like a scam artist.

His company builds hotels, not condos. In fact, he "partners" with other builders, promises them a return and they get nothing in return. The guy owes money to everyone.

Just look at his King Blue project. What kind of a name is that? That concept is horrible and this one will likely be the same. He'd rather promote his daughters (who do nothing incidentally) in his marketing campaigns than the condos he's actually trying to build.

Then there's the reputation. He tries to project an image of class, honesty and integrity. When dealing with this man, he is anything but. He treats his employees like slaves; he doesn't pay his contractors or suppliers. Even his partners and franchisors have nothing nice to say about the man.

When buying anything, especially real estate, you should be buying the reputation. Well, I can tell you all right now, you will regret buying anything from this man. Stay far far away.

I'll conclude with this - he is quoted in many articles and interviews saying he is an "honest businessman" and "my reputation is everything and it's stellar". Well, anyone that has to promote his own honesty, reputation, and integrity probably has none.
David L replying to a comment from Joey / May 8, 2014 at 12:44 pm
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You should check out their website. They have pictures of EATONS on it. *blink*
Lamar / May 8, 2014 at 02:01 pm
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Fun fact! See those two little 2-story buildings in the bottom right corner of the last picture? (The picture that has the CN tower inexplicably coming out of Riverdale)

The building on the left is a Tim Hortons, it's right on the SE corner.

The one on the right, next to it is a new hookah restaurant, and it has a very active crack den right behind it. Probably one of the most active in the city.

Rumour is this is where Rob Ford bought his crack when he would stay at The Grand by himself, which is right next door, out of frame.

Mike replying to a comment from Lamar / May 8, 2014 at 02:09 pm
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Also - the tree in front of that crackden? There's no tree there.

Also - there are no trees anywhere at that intersection.
What the?!? / May 8, 2014 at 02:23 pm
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I'm thinking, ok nice building then get to that last picture and realize it's in some Toronto of an alternative universe. Kinda trippy. How do they get away with that?? I mean I can almost forgive such a small thing like the CN Tower being in the completely wrong location, but a forest?? In downtown Toronto??
ScarboroughStudent / May 8, 2014 at 04:45 pm
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THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME.
iliveattheverve / May 8, 2014 at 08:18 pm
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if the view (south west towards the CN Tower) of last picture is "correct", then we would be in the Hilton Garden Inn, looking at PACE Condo (http://www.pacecondos.com/). the last photo is wrong, because Dundas Square Gardens is replacing the Hilton Garden Inn. and those short 2-storey buildings should be the parking lot of 222 Jarvis St.
iliveattheverve / May 8, 2014 at 08:50 pm
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if the VIEW in the last picture is "correct" (looking southwest towards the CN Tower), then we are looking at PACE Condo, which is on the southwest corner of Dundas and Jarvis. This means that we are looking FROM the Hilton Garden Inn, which Dundas Square Gardens is supposed to be replacing. THE ILLUSTRATION IS WRONG.

Take out the VIEW (the CN Tower, YD Square, and ALL of the downtown buildings), and only look at DSG, and the 2-storey buildings, and the "forest", then it would "correct"- we would be standing on the southwest corner of Dundas and Jarvis, from a balcony of the PACE Condo (although that "forest" would be the parking lot of 222 Jarvis St.)
patrick / May 8, 2014 at 08:53 pm
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just walk nearby this new condo location during evening/night and you'll change your mind about buying. dangerous...
Phil / May 9, 2014 at 02:56 am
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I agree with most of these people, the image above is mostly misrepresented, this as of date is a crack head corner and Id like very one to know that the tim hortons on that corner which is not represented here at all, and the bathrooms are closed for plumbing issues permanently, mostly because the clients at this location like to do heroin and pass out in the bathrooms for hours at a time. If it was 100 grand minimum it might be worth it.
modgun / May 13, 2014 at 12:12 pm
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Wow, another hideous piece of trash which will embarrass our city in 50 years. Whoever is letting Mississauga developers buy up our best land should be fired out of a cannon as far away as possible. Why is there no actual planning for this city? Why is every development about slapping up some cheap-looking glass monstrosity with tiny little overpriced apartments? Oh, I forgot, it's all about money; there is no integrity; there is no design; there is no respect for our city. This is an embarrassment.
modgun replying to a comment from Jack Masdeon / May 13, 2014 at 12:14 pm
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I'm not surprised. Of course we let scam artists build whatever they want in our city. There is absolutely no planning or integrity. It disgusts me.
modgun replying to a comment from Phil / May 13, 2014 at 12:18 pm
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It is building affordable housing with everyone's taxes. I have no problem with that. If I get cancer, I am glad people's taxes will pay for me to get treatment. And there is plenty of housing "for families." The issue is simply affordable housing. If there are three bedroom apartments they will often just turn into three or four students sharing the place, and then prices get hiked up again. As for rent-controlled housing, there are plenty of plans to build more of that. My issue is not with the fact that this isn't subsidized housing, my issue is with the fact that it's hideous and garbage. I lived in a new condo, and trust me, I have learned quite a lot about the problems these new developments can have. Insane condo fees that just keep going up, and no way to opt out of amenities, and very cheap construction grade/materials. Our place was falling apart after 10 years, balcony railings falling off and constant floods (not kidding). I am much more concerned with actual decent buildings being built at a more human-scale height that doesn't overpower the neighbourhood and also cost everybody way more money than they should be paying for essentially crap.

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