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Rob Ford gets a whole lot more popular after ice storm

Posted by Derek Flack / January 8, 2014

Rob FordRob Ford's approval rating is soaring high in the wake of the Toronto ice storm, at least if you trust the polling methods of Forum Research. According to the firm and the Toronto Sun, the Mayor's approval rating is up to 47 per cent from 42 per cent back on December 9th. Perhaps even more telling of the positive response to his handling (but was it really him?) of the ice storm is that 41 per cent of respondents indicated they'd vote for Ford in the 2014 municipal election, up 8 per cent from the same December poll.

It's obviously way too early for any of these numbers to have lasting significance, but they do paint a picture of a mayor whose popularity is on the rise. In the more hypothetical sphere, should a Toronto election with five of the most talked about candidates go down today, Forum projects the results as follows: Ford takes 35 per cent of the vote, Olivia Chow would comes in at 30 per cent, John Tory pulls 22 percent, while TTC chair Karen Stintz and David Soknacki would get 12 and 8 per cent respectively.

Despite all this seemingly good news for Ford, it's worth noting that 54 per cent of people interview for this poll said that would not vote for the incumbent. So while it's possible Ford might make some inroads with voters fed up of his scandalous ways, the jury is still out on whether he has a chance at reelection.

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Discussion

68 Comments

steve / January 8, 2014 at 09:01 am
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Makes sense. He did a great job with the response. The deputy would have made us a laughing stock and the province just threw money at people to try and buy votes. RoFo really was the best leader through the mess
steve replying to a comment from steve / January 8, 2014 at 09:10 am
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What did he do? Press conferences and hand out fridge magnets. The premier, the deputy mayor and other councilors actually helped people.
But hey you live with blinders and see only what you want to see. If that makes you happy, good for you. Does not make Rob Ford any better and any less of a liar.
duder / January 8, 2014 at 09:16 am
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Rob Ford is BY FAR the best politician in the history of politics. No one even comes close to his impeccable personal and financial record. His morals are, bar none, the most solid of any leader EVER. He's smarter than every Ivy League professor put together. He's also one of the fittest men in Toronto (as well as dashingly good looking). He's an incredibly brilliant leader - half Winston Churchill, half Abraham Lincoln, and half Sir John A. MacDonald! (Wait, that's three halves...ah well, he's a big guy).

A vote for RoFo is a vote for the smartest, best looking, and healthiest candidate!
iSkyscraper / January 8, 2014 at 09:18 am
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It's not a huge surprise, since it was a perfect PR opportunity, and Robbie Boy loves PR (at least when it does not involve questions about his multiple failings). He showed up, didn't do anything stupid, and as a result is being seen in a favourable light. Quel surprise.

He could have been caught on the emergency-declaration theatre (many municipalities declared emergencies before the snow and ice even fell -- it's pretty standard, ho-hum stuff) but in the end no one chose to make a case out of it and the province gave the help anyways.

The reality is that Ford was elected with a very strong vote and there is no reason he should not have been set for multiple terms from the beginning had he simply done his job, kept his head down, and shut up about things he didn't understand. I know my extended family voted for him because they thought the idea of a fiscal conservative at City Hall to watch over the unions made perfect sense. But they didn't expect cultural boycotts, childish visions remaking the waterfront, foolish and divisive meddling in transportation planning, outrageous absenteeism for football, ignorance of the law, favouritism for all things Deco Labels and handing the city over to Doug. The stunning revelations about crack, criminals, alcholism, Boris Yeltsin and Marion Berry combined -- that was simply the last straw. They'll never vote Ford again.

But you can fool a lot of people some of the time, and Ford clearly knows that he simply needs to say as little as possible, do as little as possible, and make as many good PR stops as possible for the next ten months in order to have a crack at this thing.

It's very depressing.
Sean / January 8, 2014 at 09:20 am
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The deputy mayor left the country for Florida during the crisis. He ran out of town like a frightened rat.

Rob Ford did daily updates through the media to the citizens of Toronto. Two thumbs up for that & he gets my vote.
Kate replying to a comment from Sean / January 8, 2014 at 09:24 am
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The Deputy Mayor left town for something like 24 hours to visit a dying relative after the storm, and after resources were found and put into place.
canuckone / January 8, 2014 at 09:25 am
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I'm in south Florida at the moment and both television and print media where I am report on Rob Ford almost once a week... usually on his comedic antics and statements.
I think the folks who should get the most kudos after the ice-storm are the hydro workers (including the ones from out of province) who had to clean up the mess in such foul weather. IMO - the politicians did squat.
Marc / January 8, 2014 at 09:35 am
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Like most Canadians, most of Toronto just wants a strong father figure at the helm to pat them on the shoulder and tell them everything is okay. He did that. Whether the father figure is telling the truth or not, is irrelevant to most Canadians.
Skye / January 8, 2014 at 09:49 am
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I call shenanigans. When did they take the poll?

Since the "few people who were inconvenienced" (Ford's word) were probably too busy trying to keep their houses above freezing to answer the phone, or had no phone for days, or who weren't home because their house had no heat...

The only people the poll likely reached were the sheep of Etobicoke, who are too stubborn to admit Ford is an idiot.
iSkyscraper / January 8, 2014 at 09:50 am
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I'm also confused by the way those who oppose Rob Ford are somehow seen as Norm Kelly fanatics. The deputy mayor is hard-right and out of touch with modern policies and the city he governs, not unlike Ford. He was handpicked by Ford, not chosen by council or anyone else. He is only seen as a better interim Mayor because he happens to be a) an adult and b) Not Rob Ford (i.e. not a bully, not dense, not managed as a puppet by Doug).

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/07/05/rob_ford_announces_norm_kelly_as_next_deputy_mayor_at_ford_fest.html

Good riddance to him in the fall also.

Sam replying to a comment from steve / January 8, 2014 at 09:52 am
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ROB did a great job! Rob was out there everyday with the people.

What did Wynne do? Carry a dozen bagels into a community centre for a a photo op? Private grocery stores wanted to help out and that's where it should've stayed. Instead Wynne got invovled and handed out our taxpayer dollars as well and they have no record of who got what gift card.
Sebastian / January 8, 2014 at 09:53 am
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Yeah, the irony of unionized workers doing the heavy lifting so Rob Ford could get a bump in the polls is pretty hard to miss. I will now snap a tree branch over my right fibula.
Dan replying to a comment from Sam / January 8, 2014 at 10:04 am
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"everyday with the people"...you're trying too hard with this trolling, because you push believability past the breaking point. Go back to the drawing board.
Jason Paris / January 8, 2014 at 10:08 am
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Approval rating is not the same thing as voting intention by the way.
RKMK / January 8, 2014 at 10:11 am
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so if you want to be considered a "great politician" by the imbeciles of any given area, stand in front of the cameras a lot and say you're doing things and that you feel bad for people, but leave the work to the other actually competent people not at press conferences where they get no credit awesome our democracy is doomed
Kukko the Klown / January 8, 2014 at 10:15 am
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Best comment of 2014: iSkyscraper saying Ford doing PR in order "to have a crack at this thing". As a member of the drug-using community, I have decided to vote for FatFuckFord (fat as in "fathead", not a comment on his weight) as a first step to voting for Trudeau in the next federal election and turning Canada into a Colorado-style marijuana-like heaven. I foresee a haze surrounding Toronto in the near future and a new element to the air quality measurement! I'm so excited! FatFord Years!
Donnie / January 8, 2014 at 10:22 am
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If you wanna be considered great. You take off from the city you've been deputized to be mayor for during a major crisis and use an ailing sister as your excuse for a Christmas Day visit.

The crisis is now over, sister is still alive an ailing, plenty of time to visit her now.
duder replying to a comment from Donnie / January 8, 2014 at 10:29 am
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As has been exhaustively argued before, Norm Kelly is a) not running for Mayor, and b) was hand-picked by Ford for the Deputy Mayor's gig.
W. K. Lis / January 8, 2014 at 10:39 am
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It was the hydro workers and forestry people who were the real heroes of the ice storm. All Rob Ford did was campaign, with Norm Kelly doing the setting up. Once it was set, Norm able to visit his sick relative for less than 20 hours and return.
Sam / January 8, 2014 at 10:42 am
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FORD MORE YEARS!!!!!!!!!


YEAH-ROB / January 8, 2014 at 10:50 am
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Let's hear it for the boy
Let's give the boy a hand
Let's hear it for my baby
You know you gotta understand

Maybe he's no Romeo
But he's my loving one-man show
Whoa, whoa, whoa-oh
Let's hear it for the boy!!!
Robin Bailey / January 8, 2014 at 11:13 am
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So I guess 41% of the people polled are Morons.
mrLJ / January 8, 2014 at 11:14 am
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What exactly did Ford do during the ice storm?
He decided not to declare a state of emergency (because doing this would have transferred power to the deputy and force him to admit he is useless). That was his ONLY decision, and it was out of self interest.
We should be recognizing Toronto Hydro and the dozens of others who came to our rescue when needed, not our joke of a mayor.
Mom Tarses replying to a comment from Kukko the Klown / January 8, 2014 at 11:15 am
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iSkyscraper will say ANYTHING to get attention. People with no friends are like that.
Moneesha / January 8, 2014 at 11:18 am
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They must do all their polling in Mississauga.
Vinnie replying to a comment from YEAH-ROB / January 8, 2014 at 11:20 am
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Mayor Ford, the taxpayer's lord
Mayor Ford, cost cowboy and rollback viceroy
Toronto's defender, economic mender
Blatant attacks won't make him collapse
Mayor Ford will bounce right back
justtruth replying to a comment from Sean / January 8, 2014 at 11:29 am
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It's not the right time to be sober
Now the idiots have taken over
Spreading like a social cancer, is there an answer?

Mensa membership exceeding
Tell me why and how are all the stupid people breeding
Watson, it's really elementary
The industrial revolution
Has flipped the bitch on evolution
The benevolent and wise are being cornered, ostracized, what a bummer
The world keeps getting dumber
Insensitivity is standard and faith is being fancied over reason

Someone flopped a steamer in the gene pool
Now angry mob mentality's no longer the exception, it's the rule

There's no point for democracy when ignorance is celebrated
Political scientists think the same one vote that some monkeys are inbred

Majority rule, don't work in mental institutions


...

The idiots are takin over

W. K. Lis replying to a comment from mrLJ / January 8, 2014 at 11:33 am
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All that Rob Ford did during the ice storm was to take his own family to a hotel because the power was out at his home. Did he clear the broken branches? No. Did he reconnect the power lines? No.
Sean / January 8, 2014 at 11:48 am
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Good, keep the approval numbers high so Rob's sense of entitlement and inevitability will increase along with his campaign budget. The fall will be more satisfying.
Tony replying to a comment from steve / January 8, 2014 at 12:02 pm
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Steve are you kidding. The Deputy mayor flew to Florida, I know for family reasons but still. Don't even get people started on Wynne. She is a joke. She wasn't even elected by the people of Ontario. There was absolutely no plan in how the cards would be distributed. The people who really needed those cards never received them and ontop of it she started handing them out in "Liberal" friendly areas. Come on man shake your head. It was photo op after photo op for her. If anyone has blinders on its you buddy boy!!!
Mom Tarses replying to a comment from W. K. Lis / January 8, 2014 at 12:06 pm
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Did you? No.
robnotROB / January 8, 2014 at 12:09 pm
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"ROB robs Toronto" should be the headline in Toronto newspaper on October 15, 2014. I will celebrate because his election will mean the de facto legalization of all drugs. Maybe we can have X added to the water supply during winter storms? Some fun!
Rick / January 8, 2014 at 12:10 pm
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Thank you to they Hydro workers. Now lets get those salaries and pensions back to earth. This storm saved OPG and Toronto Hydro for now but there will be backlash. ALL hydro increases on your bill in the next 3 years are to cover salaries and pensions.
Jim replying to a comment from Sean / January 8, 2014 at 12:15 pm
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Sean Please show up to the polls this time so we don't have to listen to you crying that Rob only got in because of voter Apathy from your side, again.

What are you doing to make sure your side shows up to the polls this time?

Fangirl / January 8, 2014 at 12:22 pm
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Rob Ford handled the ice storm like a boss! Two thumbs up from me. Even though McWynnty was doing her best to pull the rug out from under Ford, he managed to guide Toronto out of chaos efficiently given the resources available. McWynnty gets two thumbs down for not recognizing that in a crisis there should be a clear chain of command, and that starts with our democratically elected Mayor.
Marg replying to a comment from iSkyscraper / January 8, 2014 at 12:38 pm
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Your comment is right on. I don't understand how blind those Ford groupies can be! They are in total denial!
Marg replying to a comment from canuckone / January 8, 2014 at 12:46 pm
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You are right about that! The people who actually did the work deserve the credit! Not the man who couldn't be found the morning of the storm and only appeared for his photo-ops.
Marg replying to a comment from Marg / January 8, 2014 at 12:59 pm
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My comment (Your comment is right on.) was meant for iSkyscraper.
Dogma / January 8, 2014 at 12:59 pm
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All he needs is a steady stream of natural disasters throughout the rest of the year. But they can't be so bad that he actually needs to call a state of emergency. Juuuust bad enough that he can park his face in front of the news camera every day and say reassuring things.
adamvaughanonlywantmorecondos / January 8, 2014 at 01:05 pm
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for more years 222. i rather ford then any other member of council be our mayor . the worst thing that could happen to the city is a old metro councilor becoming mayor
Michael / January 8, 2014 at 01:08 pm
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"it's worth noting that 54 per cent of people interview for this poll said that would not vote for the incumbent. So while it's possible Ford might make some inroads with voters fed up of his scandalous ways, the jury is still out on whether he has a chance at reelection."

This kind of wishful thinking is pathetic
Mom Tarses replying to a comment from Moneesha / January 8, 2014 at 01:25 pm
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Where you live eh?
Mom Tarses replying to a comment from Marg / January 8, 2014 at 01:26 pm
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You shouldn't feed the troll. It only encourages her.
Dom / January 8, 2014 at 01:28 pm
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This kind of wishful thinking is current state reality. Its pathetic to pin your hopes on Chow or Tory as they have not said theyre running.
Stintz is pressuring the TTC to complete the Presto Card implementation asap as she openly stated on Newstalk 1010 that shell get crucified by the other candidates for mismanagement if the project and its budget. She will not put her name on the ballot until Presto is completed.



SO while my mayor and 2014 candidate is out there gaining traction and approvals, What is your candidate doing to represent you and go to battle? Ohh thats right you don't have your candidate yet.
Michael / January 8, 2014 at 01:42 pm
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Dom, my comment means exactly the opposite of what you think it means
Tony / January 8, 2014 at 01:42 pm
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Supporting Ford in the 2014 election in no way means that I don't aknowledge or dont support the Hydro Workers or anyone else involved in working in the Storm crisis. Don't put words in other peoples mouths that arent true - Thank You.

This article is about Fords approval rating not whether Hydro Workers are supported.
Bob replying to a comment from Tony / January 8, 2014 at 01:49 pm
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Couldn't agree more. Kelly bolted when he was most needed, and Wynne...what a joke she is. Take that billion $$ your party needlessly wasted and buy food for those that NEED it. Photo op, nothing more. She's useless
Dom replying to a comment from Michael / January 8, 2014 at 01:50 pm
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OK good we agree then. U.N.I.T.E.
tofridgedr / January 8, 2014 at 02:10 pm
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I am going to vote for him. He's not a banker/corp puppet. THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS!!!
Michael / January 8, 2014 at 02:30 pm
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The opposite of what someone else says! A few relatively good points, written with too much vitriol (and occasional parentheses), that establish my basic argument. A rhetorical question? The post concluded by lowering the tone with an unnecessary insult to everyone who disagrees!
No but... replying to a comment from tofridgedr / January 8, 2014 at 02:46 pm
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Ford's friends in hole digging and waste management appreciate his support and municipal contracts. Why do you think Ford's pushing a taxpayer funded two-stop subway instead of the fully funded above ground LRT? GFL undercut competitors and is now suing the city for more money yet Rob Ford wants to give them more city business.

What do you think was in those envelopes Lisi was leaving in the Escalade?!
GRAARG / January 8, 2014 at 02:55 pm
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I love how everything is so binary in the comments – either RoFo is the best ever or the Devil incarnate. Not quite that simple.

I won’t be voting for RoFo in the next election but I have to say he was one of the better performers during the ice storm:

Norm – argued a state of emergency was needed, argued the army is needed now (the Princess Patricia Woodchucks Division?). Despite arguing that it was so bad in both those cases, it wasn’t soooo bad he couldn’t go to Florida for 24 hrs. Don’t quite follow his logic.

Have yet to see any arguments for having declared a state of emergency. From all accounts by the people who actually control the resources… no resources were held back (nor are they now), so a state of emergency would have achieved what? RoFo kept a cool head as did Minnan-Wong and a few others. There was no water shortage, no need to evacuate large areas, police did not need special powers, etc. Yep, we were without power (5 days in my case) but there were not threats life, etc. He showed (and continues to show) good leadership in this and the army idea.

Yep, RoFo did not do the admin work. That is why CEOs have COOs (aka Deputy Mayors and others). Also Minnan-Wong chairs Public Works. That’s why they call it an ‘administration’ and not a sole proprietorship. Not to mention the City has well document and well thought out disaster plans which speak to chain of command, etc. And not to mention that Council altered some of that recently.

RoFo did what he should have – he was visible, he communicated well, he kept a level head, etc.

One thing which seems to have gone largely un-commented on is the sheer lunacy of stripping the Mayor of his emergency powers but leaving him as the only one able to declare an emergency. A bit like expecting a 7 year old to ground himself. Yes, I understand Council can’t strip him of that aspect but the Province can and the Wynne has been quite clear on her intent of Council asked. While a state of emergency was not needed this time, it’s a time bomb the way it is configured now.

Which is not to say RoFo was perfect in his leadership. Many questions need to be answered: why was there not traffic control on key intersections days after the outage?; why was there not more of a push to reach out to seniors and those in need, who were largely left to their own?; why did it take so long to restore the TTC, which ranks very high in the City’s plans?; and many more…

RoFo is a bad mayor. But it does not mean his handling of this was awful. Quite the contrary, he did better than many.
Mark replying to a comment from iSkyscraper / January 8, 2014 at 03:06 pm
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Exactly 1 municipality declared an emergency, and some small unpopulated one at that. Not 'Many', like you would have us believe. Rob Ford did everything your boy wonder Nenshi did during the Alberta flood and more and you minimize Ford's actions because you hate the man. Had Nenshi done the same thing you morons would be falling over yourselves trying to extort his virtues in the face of such chaos. Give us the crackhead who cares over the two faced liars and thieves who are just interested in a photo-op (Wynne).
duder replying to a comment from Mark / January 8, 2014 at 04:13 pm
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"Give us the crackhead who cares over the two faced liars and thieves who are just interested in a photo-op (Wynne)."

While this sentence is pure, simplistic vitriol, I think it perfectly illustrates the reason people are so profoundly cynical about politics and politicians.
GRBY / January 8, 2014 at 04:35 pm
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We need to remove Scarborough from the GTA.

There's clearly far too many idiots in what is now 'Toronto.'
The Market Researcher / January 8, 2014 at 04:52 pm
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It makes me sick that Forum Research polls get so much press in Toronto when it has been proved within the market research community that their numbers are extremely biased and inaccurate - particularly when it comes to political polling. Their methodology for IVRs/Automated Polls is FLAWD, period. Here is a suggestion for an article in BlogTo: 'How do opinion research poll numbers stack against each other?' Crunch the numbers and the truth will come out. Please stop giving press to the con artists at Forum.
Kukko the Klown / January 8, 2014 at 05:05 pm
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The perfect expression of the idiocy of municipal voter is the dynasty so typical of Toronto politics. Here come's Doug Ford's nephew, a 20-something know nothing - get this, an "exec." at a certain label company - running to replace the avuncular Doug in October. My only question for him: What is your drug of choice. Also: Is the Ford family associated with a particular cartel in Mexico?
Matt / January 8, 2014 at 07:48 pm
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It's hilarious how some people here think that it makes a difference whether Ford or Wynne were on the streets. Anything they did was for publicity period. They're politicians so why would you expect more? Thankfully there are way more people involved in mobilizing the cleanup effort and the gratitude should be given to the Hydro crews, volunteers and people out there who really did all the grunt work. It's a sad day when people praise a guy because he didn't shoot himself in the foot for a whole week.
Concupiscurd replying to a comment from GRAARG / January 8, 2014 at 07:57 pm
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+1 - very good and level headed comment. Just wanted to highlight that.
iSkyscraper / January 8, 2014 at 09:21 pm
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The "many" was in reference to both sides of the border. Several counties and municipalities, and the state of New York itself, declared states of emergency in the US. For example:

http://www.governor.ny.gov/press/1212113-winter-emergency-north-country

Not quite the same thing legally as in Ontario, but you get the drift. Point is that it is quite normal to declare a so-called state of emergency for this sort of thing, and Ford didn't, but got away with it due to no one wanting to start a political fight during a time of crisis.
Matthew Fabb replying to a comment from GRAARG / January 8, 2014 at 10:38 pm
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Norm Kelly worked with the province to get additional tree harvesters and their equipment to help speed up the process of removing debris. My understanding that the province also worked with the province of Manitoba and with the Buffalo to get more hydro and once again tree harvesters into the city. So they were doing more than just press conferences, or giving out gift cards, but took steps to quicken the progress of the clean up and restoring power.

Meanwhile Rob Ford was giving out wrong information like people with down wires should call 9-11, when police and emergency services repeatedly were telling people not to call them unless it was an immediate emergency and to call Toronto Hydro for down wires.

Kelly leaving for 24 hours wasn't a good move, but at the same time by Christmas he seemed to have taken the steps needed to move things along. The province was also giving press statements on top of Ford, so I don't think anything went wrong by him leaving for 24 hours.
John Skinner / January 8, 2014 at 11:36 pm
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ROB FORD IS A BIG FAT FRAUDSTER AND THERE'S SO MANY PLAIN OLD STUPID FUCKERS WHO SUPPORT THIS PIG! HE'S LAUGHING AT EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU!FATTY FORD IS MAKING AN ALREADY HIGHLY DANGEROUS AND LAUGHABLE CITY EVEN WORSE!! HE COULD TELL ANY ONE OF HIS "FORD NATION" MEMBERS TO OPEN WIDE AND THEY'D LET HIM SHIT A BIG STINKY LOG IN THEIR PIE HOLE AND THEY'D LIKELY THANK HIM AND STILL SUPPORT HIM! OPEN YOUR IDIOTIC EYES! TORONTO IS A FUCKIN PIECE OF SHIT RAT RACE FULL OF NEGROS, PAKIS, FILIPINOS, THEY'VE TAKEN OVER AND ROB FORD DOESN'T STOP THEM! WHY DOESN'T TORONTO, OR BETTER CANADA STOP ENCOURAGING THEM TO COME AND LIVE HERE!? ALL TORONTO IS,IS A BULLET PARTY, IT'S HIGHLY LAUGHABLE WHEN PEOPLE SAY TORONTO IS SAFE!!! I'M GETTING THE FUCK OUTTA THIS SHITTY CITY ITS WAY TOO EXPENSIVE AND ALL THE INVADERS CAN FUCK OFF! HELLO TO A DECENT AND SAFE CITY FUCK YOU TDOT! PRETTY SOON THEY'LL BE SELLING BULLET PROOF VESTS ON STREET CORNERS. HAHAHAHA THIS WAS MY OPINION OVER AND OUT.
Moneesha replying to a comment from John Skinner / January 9, 2014 at 02:56 am
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Just euthanize all fat people and the problem is solved.
Moneesha replying to a comment from iSkyscraper / January 9, 2014 at 02:57 am
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You're still an idiot. Get a job.
GRAARG replying to a comment from Matthew Fabb / January 9, 2014 at 10:01 am
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Agreed that Norm did a very good job administrating. Did not mean to single him out as solely bad. It was a rookie error (and he's no rookie) to leave the city for 24 hrs for anything other than a relative dying, real emergency, etc. It is pure optics as he had a cell, blackberry, etc but optics matters.

I disagree with Norm about the need for the Army. These guys are amazing at what they do. But they do not have a forestry division. More could be accomplished by hiring tree firms and supplementing them with casual labor which is what is happening.

But overall Norm did a good job.

The one area I would single out more than any for sub-par performance was the police. They did not step up at all. Poor community outreach, complete lack of staffing of major intersections without power, etc.
Moooo-neesha / January 9, 2014 at 05:18 pm
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Don't have a cow.
dr. kukko / January 10, 2014 at 05:14 pm
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Too Funny 1 - Declaring State of Emergency means easy insurance claim collection. Too Funny 2 - State of Emergency means Citu collects $ from feds + prov.. Thanks FatFuckFord for not declaring an emergency and RAISING MY TAXES just because you are incompetent. Now we know why you dropped out of university...you're just STUPID!
$20 bills = popularity / January 12, 2014 at 10:14 pm
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Doug's $$$ buying approval rating + votes from poor shmucks

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