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Pacific Mall raid protects us shoppers, right?

Posted by Robyn Urback / December 4, 2012

Pacific MallPacific Mall played host to a sweeping raid last Thursday as part of a massive investigation in which police seized more than $3 million in counterfeit goods. After an inquest, which, by all accounts, could only be described as "groundbreaking," police showed off their loot from ten sites across the GTA during a press conference yesterday morning. Among the annexed items were counterfeit toys, drugs, clothing, and electronics.

The investigation, called "Project Consumer Safety," resulted in several arrests and marked a triennial event in Pacific Mall's general operation. Next for Toronto cops? Cracking down and exposing pot-smokers during Toronto's annual 420 parade.

For the couple of people who still can't tell a Louis Vuitton from a Louie Vuitton, the raid comes as a massive shock. For the rest (including the Toronto Reddit consensus) the seizure is pretty much just another yawn. Thank heavens someone's looking out for the unsuspecting consumer, right?

Photo by chewie2008 in the blogTO Flickr pool

Discussion

43 Comments

dave / December 4, 2012 at 12:37 pm
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So, if I were to copy/paste this article in my own blog with MY name on it, you'd be just fine it, correct?

Sarah / December 4, 2012 at 12:40 pm
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Realistically, come on. I shop at Pacific Mall quite a bit because it's fun and kitschy. I'm a fan of the "unique" (albiet sometimes ridiculous) clothing and I'm prepared to pay the price, so I get what I expect. No shocks for me.
But if a customer is dumb enough to pay top dollar for a counterfeit without knowing it's a counterfeit, that's their own problem. I've had shop keepers actually straight out tell me that their items were fake, but for a $5 why not buy a new necklace or something.
Paul / December 4, 2012 at 12:40 pm
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Think of the Children...

... of the executives of the corporations who own the brand rights to this stuff.
Josh / December 4, 2012 at 12:56 pm
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Counterfeit toys, clothing, electronics..... DRUGS???

Well, in that case, yes. I do think the Pacific Mall raid protected "us shoppers". Quite literally.
rek / December 4, 2012 at 12:57 pm
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You don't go to Pacific Mall expecting anything but knock-offs and nobody was being tricked, chances are these counterfeiters aren't only operating there (and are probably involved in other things).
Richards / December 4, 2012 at 12:59 pm
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Agreed. I mean by now word has spread to the general populace that Pacific Mall deals in selling counterfeit products. If you haven't reached that level of information, then the fact that you'd want to even spend such high prices is probably non-existent. This operation was nothing more than a waste of resources and times, nobody will benefit from this.
will / December 4, 2012 at 01:11 pm
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So was the problem that they were selling counterfeit in general, or selling counterfeit as the real thing?

I'm a little confused because I thought counterfeit was the reason why people go to pacific mall. Also I didn't think our police cared about counterfeit since you can go to so many stores around Yonge and Dundas to buy a fake Rolex.
Hatts replying to a comment from dave / December 4, 2012 at 01:35 pm
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That isn't the best analogy. A better one is would she like it if you created a tumblr blog and posted ill conceived poorly thought out articles under her name.

In this case, it would be hard to tell the difference between the real thing and the counterfeit articles.
Todd / December 4, 2012 at 01:39 pm
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Pacific Mall retailers get busted more often than the multitude of shops in the old Chinatown or downtown core because they don't know how to play the game to get the authorities to look the other way.

Same thing with DineSafe. Some people know "how to pass" while others "try to pass".
Adam replying to a comment from dave / December 4, 2012 at 02:02 pm
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I'm sure the writer wouldn't be OK with it, but I'm sure most people would think a police raid on your house because you did it is a bit too much. The problem is the police are there to serve and protect the public not to act as a private army for the corporations.

Corporations should have the legal right to protect their intellectual property but not at the expense of the general public and not under the false pretence that it is for the general public's safety.
Keith replying to a comment from Hatts / December 4, 2012 at 02:06 pm
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Not a good analogy either. It's more like creating a tumblr blog called "Famose TO Blog", with article generated by Google translate, and signing it as Rybon Uibak.
Mike / December 4, 2012 at 02:14 pm
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Things like DVDs might not be a big deal, but counterfeit electronics and drugs aren't subject to the same standards as the authentic products.

Things like bad wiring can lead to fires.

And quite frankly, fraud is fraud. "If you don't know better, you deserve what you get" is a terrible attitude, and one that I'm sure most people wouldn't espouse if their loved ones got scammed.

In addition, if you look at the charges laid, they almost all include possessing and selling stolen goods, or goods obtained by crime. A lot of people might have known they were buying fakes, but wouldn't be so happy to learn the goods were stolen.
sarah / December 4, 2012 at 02:15 pm
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I don't know what people are complaining about. I love buying stuffed animals full of dog and human hair. It's way more environmentally friendly than polyester.
Justin Copp replying to a comment from Adam / December 4, 2012 at 02:16 pm
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So if it's not the job of the police to enforce the law, whose job is it?
Frank / December 4, 2012 at 02:28 pm
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If the Chinese want to buy Canado geese jackets with dog hair hoods, why should we care.

If anything we should feel sorry for them.
Adam replying to a comment from Justin Copp / December 4, 2012 at 02:35 pm
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It is not the job of police to enforce civil law, it is the job of the courts. If you hired a contractor to complete a job for you and he did not fulfil the contract obligations you would not call the police, the police would tell you to take it to court.

My point is not whether copyright infringement is illegal, because it is and it should be enforced, but rather the fact that this raid is likely the result of pressure from lobbyists from copyright holding corporations.
Todd replying to a comment from Mike / December 4, 2012 at 02:37 pm
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We don't know enough.

IP could have made these "stolen goods", even if they were made ten minutes ago from scratch by the person selling it to you.
Justin Copp replying to a comment from Adam / December 4, 2012 at 02:38 pm
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The video of the counterfeit products includes drivers licenses and prescription medication. Pretty sure that's not just copyright infringement.
M L R / December 4, 2012 at 02:39 pm
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Now wait a Minute you Knee Jerk reactionsts - FAKE MEDICINE & TOYS - that's not Poliece busting Smokers at a pot Demo that's like Poliece busting Dealers at Pot demo selling joinst made of/cut with Oragono, Green Tea, Lacative, Belladonna Leaves... Fake toys are often cheaply made & present choaking/breaking hazzard. Fake medicine- how would you like it if it was your 5 year old taking bogus Child Rx? There is more here than copyright there is puplic saftey and consumer fraud, as well as worker rights. Maybe if you weren't such a Hippie against The Man & joined the rest if us in the new Milenium you'd realise that.
Alex / December 4, 2012 at 02:40 pm
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Yeah, it does protect us. Counterfeit drugs says it all. Plus buying counterfeit goods from China sends ALL the profits straight to China, you're basically exporting our money to them. At least the real stuff creates white collar jobs here in designing it, even if they do export the manufacturing.
Adam replying to a comment from Justin Copp / December 4, 2012 at 02:41 pm
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In that case the raid was completely necessary, although I am still holding onto my conspiracy theory and that they just got lucky with those things.
carl / December 4, 2012 at 02:43 pm
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right before the Christmas gift rush too, that must suck!

I bought a bag there once, lasted me literally 3 weeks, fake ass shit
Candace / December 4, 2012 at 02:47 pm
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The production of these goods often involve forced child labour and funds a slew of illegal activity (terrorism and drug operations being some of them). It shouldn't be supported.
evan / December 4, 2012 at 02:54 pm
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Yeah, shut those criminals down. Then we can all go to respectable, law abiding retailers like Walmart.
avas replying to a comment from Candace / December 4, 2012 at 03:38 pm
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yea those terrorist are making knock off gucci purses, lol do you really believe that bs? i bet you believe Palestine being a observer sate threaten lives i of Israeli citizens too
smh at cops sometimes / December 4, 2012 at 04:23 pm
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Do cops not realize that even huge retailers like Guess are manufacturing knockoffs? Why prey solely on shopkeepers at this mall?

And about the weed smokers, really? Do the cops plan to arrest hundreds of people all at once, for really no significant reason at all?
Jose replying to a comment from Frank / December 4, 2012 at 05:11 pm
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I laughed and cried at your comment.

Canado Geese for the win!!!! hahaha
Rick / December 4, 2012 at 05:54 pm
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This mall is a complete dump.

Think of the children...

... who end up with counterfeit coats made with dog fur

Not to mention the racist bias of every store owner. 15% if you appear to be asian
John` / December 4, 2012 at 06:26 pm
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Watch out for the fake shampoos... experts have found the shampoo to contain mercury, sulfur or benzene. This could either damage your hair, cause you to go bald, or even give you cancer.

Head and Shoulders was pictured.
Tuli / December 4, 2012 at 07:14 pm
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Most people buying a knock off know they're buying a knock off by the price they're getting it for.
manuel / December 4, 2012 at 07:26 pm
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Asian Quality Products.
Candace replying to a comment from avas / December 4, 2012 at 07:28 pm
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Yeah, I said they FUND illegal activity, thanks. There have been links found in many cases. Sit down.
asag replying to a comment from Frank / December 4, 2012 at 07:36 pm
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Real Canada Goose jackets technically use dog fur on the collars as well. So fuck off with your racist comments.
junior / December 4, 2012 at 08:18 pm
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no ones being "protected" here. people go to pacific mall to get weird, super asian, knock off type stuff. THATS WHY IT EXISTS. no one buy a fake louis vuitton wallet there thinks its real. if and when they can afford a real one, they'll get it. theyre just hurting a place that has character. a place thats fun to shop at. theyre going to make it white and lifeless. this is ridiculous. sorry, but if you bought anything at pacific mall and thought it was real, then your dad should have worn a condom. what if i want to buy 20 dollar raybans? why take that option away from me? oh ok. so next kensington market is going to get raided in the name of "protection"???? bullocks!
Dumbass replying to a comment from Alex / December 4, 2012 at 09:43 pm
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You are an idiot...
That computer that you are typing on right now was made in china.
Im pretty sure the desk, chair and almost everything on your desk was made in china.
Heck, the jeans and shirt you are wearing were probably made in china, if not probably india.

At least the real stuff creates white collar jobs here by being designed?
Uh how dumb can you be? When was the last time a Louis Vuitton purse designed in Canada? When was a pair of Guess jeans last designed in Canada?
God you are dumb.
Almost everything we buy and use on a daily basis is NOT designed in Canada, NOT made in Canada, and most likely are not even a Canadian company who's funds get siphoned into the united states or china or korea or india.

Plus if anyone goes to pacific mall to buy Viagra, or any other medical product instead of a pharmacy is clearly an idiot and deserves what they get.

I would ask you that next time you decide to type up a stupid response please think throughly about it before you go all anti-china/rasict.
Dumbass
Joey replying to a comment from asag / December 5, 2012 at 01:29 am
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"Real Canada Goose jackets technically use dog fur on the collars as well"

Would you care to elaborate on the libelous comment you just made? How can they "technically" use it? Canada Goose either uses dog fur it doesn't. Though, if I were you I'd back track quickly because they're extremely litigious. Enjoy your law suit.
Joy Joy replying to a comment from Joey / December 5, 2012 at 10:14 am
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Coyote is a species of wild dog.
cheap shopping in US / December 5, 2012 at 02:40 pm
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To read this post about Pacific Mall Raid Protects was pretty interesting.
asag replying to a comment from Joey / December 5, 2012 at 03:53 pm
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I assume you're so defensive about this because you shelled out all your cash to buy a trash piece of clothing?

The fur lining on the hood is a dead baby coyote. Enjoy your jacket.
Me / December 5, 2012 at 05:20 pm
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Coyote is yummy.
LOL replying to a comment from Candace / December 6, 2012 at 09:17 am
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LOL Terrorists?
You must be smoking some good shit there, lady.
Terrorists making knock-off goods... HAHAHAHAHA
Toby Buckets replying to a comment from dave / December 8, 2012 at 09:11 am
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Do it! Great example of how the copy won't affect the original in the slightest.
Jill replying to a comment from Frank / December 13, 2012 at 04:20 am
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Wake up moron, sellers are Chinese, shoppers are multicultural. I feel sorry for your racist ignorant mind.

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