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Should Toronto add more scramble intersections?
I like my intersections like I like my eggs - scrambled. Now that's out of the way, it's been five years since the city introduced us to the wonders of the scramble intersection. Remember that initial hesitance, followed by that liberating feeling of the first time you walked diagonally across a busy intersection? It was a novelty in 2008, but five years into the pilot project is the love lost?
Three intersections across the city have already been pedestrianized: Bay/Bloor, Yonge/Dundas and Yonge/Bloor. So far these locations have been chosen to increase pedestrian safety be reducing crowding on busy street corners. On a typical weekday during an 8-hour period there are 68,600 pedestrian crossings at Yonge/Dundas, 59,000 at Yonge/Bloor, and 42,200 at Bay/Bloor, outstripping vehicle traffic through the lights.
It's disputed whether these intersections are a success, and that probably comes down to whether you are on foot or not - is the incrementally longer driving time worth it for the convenience of those on foot, or is the gridlock too dire?
So far Toronto's scramble intersections haven't reached any further north than Bloor St., but the City confirms that there has been some demand for a scramble at Yonge and Eglington. The Yonge and Eglington area has less foot traffic than the overflowing corners downtown and could pose some problems with timing. Currently all three scramble intersections run on a consistent 24-hour cycle with no changes to accommodate rush hour. The city has also received plenty of calls for a scramble intersection at Bay and Front, but this intersection is further complicated by already clogged rush hour car traffic and would also require some special timing considerations.
City of Toronto project officer Janet Lo maintains there are no plans to expand any more scramble intersections at this time. The current pilot project is still under review by the city with a report expected in early 2013. Additionally, last year Public Works chairman Denzil Minnan-Wong called into question how practical these crossings are and called for an additional outside consultant's review. Until these intersections are dissected and examined there won't be any more expansion, but public where do you think the city could use a scramble intersection most?
Correction:
An earlier version of this article stated that the outside consultant's review of scramble crossings cost $375,000. This number actually covers the entire Downtown Transportation Operations Study. Much of the review of scramble intersections is being conducted by city staff.
Writing by Matt Stephen / Photo by Roger Cullman


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Yes.
This would never happen here (cause it's too good of an idea and our transit system sucks) but there are cities in Australia (ex. Perth) where public transit within the downtown core is free. People park their cars on the fringes and just take transit. Brilliant!
I'm saying this as a primary pedestrian who lives and works downtown.
In addition, 2008 + 5 years is 2013. It's not yet 2013, so the intersections have only been around for four years.
Toronto needs a JSK-type professional (not a councillor by the way, an actual professional) to head all things transportation and follow a proper process to determine what the goals are, what the data says, and why something should or shouldn't be done. Right now it is too political to touch a street in Toronto, and that is wrong.
Also, I would be greatly in favour of turning low volume signalled intersections into four way stops (with a flashing red light) during the late night and early morning.
Ever see the traffic snarl from people trying to turn right at a scramble? One car gets through per cylce.
Pedestrians should only be able to cross at the scramble. Then cars can move through their time. The scramble can be longer, the car period can be shorter.
But they have to work together in a better way.
I wish Minnan-Wong would leave the ones we have alone tho.
I have lived at Yonge/Eg for 12 years now and not once have I ever thought "wow, crossing diagonally would be a big help".
They only need these at Yonge/Bloor and Yonge/Dundas...nowhere else is busy enough to make them worthwhile.
And someone explain why the scramble intersections are on at 4am in the morning!!!
If we used them properly it is a great tool to alleviate both car and traffic. Right now it's hindering.
There's no turning (left or right) at yonge/dundas or yonge/bloor, so whichever way you are trying to turn is illegal. Try a new complaint.
I don't know why anyone would think Yonge-Eg needs it, it's a busy intersection but not congested at all for pedestrians. The only other intersections I can think of it for are Front/Bay and Front/University (I know that one's complicated, but it's super busy at rush hour due to GO commuters).
They don't really save people time in terms of walking(the sole exception being if you arrive at the exception precisely at the time when all-way walk is on), and they also cause congestion. I agree with Mrgrieves' proposal no turning at busy intersections.
I like the scramble but it's very frustrating if you're driving and there's no one crossing the streets in any direction. This is almost always the case in the evening (at least at the two Bloor intersections). They should be timed.
Just sayin'.
Bay and Yonge have less vehicular traffic because those two intersections at Bloor have been turned into a disaster. Not only are the lights themselves significantly longer, but allowing pedestrians to cross with traffic defeats the entire purpose. Done correctly, crossing an intersection should be more efficient for BOTH vehicles and pedestrians.
Ah, but that was not the point, was it? So, Motorists avoid Yonge/Bloor, Bay/Bloor and Dundas/Yonge, proving what, exactly? Did downtown traffic decrease, or did motorists just find another side street to cut through?
Return the scramble crossings to their original concept and you'd have a winner that benefits all.
But that is NOT the Toronto way, is it?
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