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Councillors seek compromise on Toronto transit plans

Posted by Derek Flack / January 25, 2012

Eglinton Crosstown Transit CompromiseA group of Toronto city councillors that includes TTC Chair Karen Stintz is working on an altered transit plan for the Eglinton Crosstown LRT that would free up funds for the proposed Sheppard subway extension and a busway on Finch Avenue West. Key to the new proposal is a return to the former configuration of the eastern section of the Crosstown, where it would run mostly above ground after passing Brentcilffe Road. By not burying this stretch of the line, between $1.5 and $2 billion dollars of the $8.2 billion the province has committed to the city in transit funding could be diverted to other projects.

The mayor has yet to comment on the proposal, but early supporters have been careful not to frame it as antagonistic to his plans, highlighting the fact that a significant chunk of the savings would be earmarked for the extension of the Sheppard subway to Victoria Park. "I think this compromise plan will help get Sheppard built, which is a priority for the mayor," Stintz told the Star. "As soon as the tunnel borers are done at the Yonge-University-Spadina (subway extension) we can move them over to Sheppard. I expect that could happen as early as late next year."

As for easing congestion on Finch Avenue, there's already some debate as to what the best strategy is. Stintz advocates for the use of bus rapid transit on account of its lower cost and the speed by which it can be built. Maria Augimeri, on the other hand, worries that such a move could delay the eventual construction of LRT, which she believes the corridor ultimately demands (see the Star story linked to above for more on this). Metrolinx, for its part, will take direction from the city on how to proceed with the allotted funds.

In other words, how exactly all this will play out is still very much up in the air. Nevertheless, it's clear that there's a growing movement on city council to thwart what surely must be the most foolhardy of Rob Ford's transit plans — the burial of the eastern section of the Eglinton Crosstown. How they work out the details is crucial to be sure, but the avoidance of this colossal waste of money is the first step toward ensuring that as many transit users as possible benefit from money we currently have to work with.

Image from Metrolinx

Discussion

22 Comments

wastedtax / January 25, 2012 at 08:47 am
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ford's transit plans are nuttier then a squirrel turd. Why not just bring back transit city that is already paid for. Tired of ford wasting my tax dollars with his pet projects.
Dave Reid / January 25, 2012 at 08:50 am
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Although a vast improvement over the current plan, Finch needs LRT. In fact, extending the Sheppard subway stop is basically pointless except to appease Ford. There are many better ways to spend that money.
hmm / January 25, 2012 at 09:03 am
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I think this idea will be popular here, but I think the idea that it will help build the Sheppard subway is laughable. I think if built, victoria park will be the sheppard line's terminus for decades and decades.
iSkyscraper / January 25, 2012 at 09:12 am
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Why the focus on only the Eastern section of Eglinton? I think people are missing the forest for the trees here. One of the single greatest fucntions of the Eglinton LRT is to be the link that finally ties the airport into the TTC rapid transit network (and no, the ripoff ARL does not count). If you don't get the western end of Eglinton onto the surface, you will never get to the airport in an inexpensive, later phase. It is critical for the sake of tying in one of the biggest traffic generators in the region that the western part of Eglinton be surface rail pointed at the airport.
brendan replying to a comment from iSkyscraper / January 25, 2012 at 09:20 am
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I whole heartedly agree
W. K. Lis / January 25, 2012 at 09:23 am
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Rob Ford's phobia continues to show. Transit users, that regular users of public transit, would like to see rapid transit, which includes surface light rail, along the wide sections of Eglinton and Finch West and Sheppard East, which does NOT take away lanes from automobile-addicted drivers like Rob Ford.
Kieren / January 25, 2012 at 09:24 am
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Lol, Sheppard is getting screwed hard. Great voting, Scarborough!
john / January 25, 2012 at 09:29 am
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what a colossal fuck up by all concerned... from a decent LRT multiline plan we're now looking at, at best, the eglinton LRT, 1 extra stop on the scarborough subway and a busway on finch. sheer idiocy. and i still lay some blame at the feet of miller and giambrone for not actually getting sufficient construction underway on transit city when they had the chance -- 8 years in office with no shovels in the ground meant ford could implement his wacky schemes.
Meeee / January 25, 2012 at 09:48 am
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Thank gad
Tommy / January 25, 2012 at 09:59 am
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The only benefit of extending Sheppard to Vic Park is that buses will avoid the 404 interchange. That's it. The 190 serves the area quite well and the subway will still be underused. Remember: all the Sheppard stations are designed for 6 cars, but they can barely fill the 4 cars they are running.

As for BRT on Finch - take a look at what Viva is doing along Highway 7. Bus only lanes in the center of the road, with full, covered station-stops. If the usage ever warrants it, the right-of-ways are convertible to LRT. So frustrating that the 905 region has better transit planning than Toronto (ignoring strike/union issues).
Ryder / January 25, 2012 at 10:07 am
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Wasn't building the Sheppard line a complete waste of money and time? The subways are always deserted! I think it's more important to link the city to the airport... or at least stretch the services out to the west end as well!
JoeParez / January 25, 2012 at 10:08 am
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Extending Sheppard to Vic Park would be 2 stops (Vic Park and Consumers Road) - which would be a better terminus than Don Mills. I'm not advocating the Sheppard Subway, but extending it to Vic Park should make the Sheppard Subway more "useable". In my opinion, of course.

As noted by Tommy, if they DO built BRT for Finch, converting it to LRT won't be a problem if the ridership is there. I think if this motion passes, it'll be good for transit in Toronto -- not the best, but at least it's a start.
Adam replying to a comment from iSkyscraper / January 25, 2012 at 10:50 am
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iSkyscraper is right that connecting the Eglinton LRT to the airport must be a goal, and it should be done sooner rather than later.

I wish Ford, McGuinty and Stintz would all get together, look at a map, and realize what good value for money this would be in terms of convenience for citizens and visitors as well as reducing traffic on the 401
Vote NDP in the next federal/provincial election / January 25, 2012 at 11:14 am
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Finally, Ms Stinz is using her own independant decision making instead of being "used" by the Fords. In fact, dont let Mr Ford get his hands wet on the transit file because everytime Mr Ford fools aroung the transit file, we start paying for it in the end.
Al / January 25, 2012 at 12:50 pm
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Ford wants to lose weight. He also wants the Sheppard subway built. Hand him a shovel and tell him to kill two birds with one stone.
Ailiolooilioli YODELER!!! replying to a comment from Al / January 25, 2012 at 01:12 pm
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Hmm... you're on to something.
In summary / January 25, 2012 at 01:13 pm
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Transit city>this plan>fords plan
Stuck in traffic / January 25, 2012 at 01:54 pm
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Transit Shitty.
Jacob / January 25, 2012 at 02:08 pm
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It's still a shame that all of TransitCity's North-South lines are permanently shelved.
John B. / January 26, 2012 at 10:49 am
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What I don´t understand is the fact why this stupid government proposes something completely irrelevant to our situation and current problems. We have many alarming issues that have nothing to do with building a crazy (Sheppard!!) subway... I don´t have words for it. What I can say from my own experience, it would be much better to improve the current surface system of buses and trams, maybe try to build new GO Transit lines and expand the usage of PRESTO Card (yeah I´m quite fan of this gadget).
I have experience with subway construction in Prague, which is currently going on. The technical issues and costs are extremely high and won´t probably pay off in a long term. The prices of the tickets are raising and people are extremely unhappy. New metro lines go through territory, where digging is not even necessary. It´s completely stupid in every aspect and I hope Toronto won´t have to experience such a colossal fail.
Henry / February 9, 2012 at 12:43 pm
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It's ridiculous that people still say Sheppard is underused. Ride the Sheppard in rush hour - THERE IS NOT EVEN A SEAT. At other times of course it doesn't have a lot of people just like the Spadina line and even the Yonge line north of Eglinton in non-rush hours. Extending the Sheppard to VicPark is A MUST. But for ANYONE (going west of Yonge or east of Don Mills on Sheppard), that means two extra transfers? How does that attract any commuter going east-west and taking cars off the 401?

And for the ignorant person above saying Eglinton LRT is the solution to connect to the airport, there is already rail being built directly from Union to Pearson with possible TTC connections on Eglinton and/or Bloor.
Henry / February 9, 2012 at 12:49 pm
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I still don't understand why Finch West needs an LRT. There isn't even an express bus running so of course it's a terrible commute. What Finch west needs is an express bus just like Finch east. The Finch east express bus is really fast, sometimes even faster than the Sheppard subway from Don Mills to Yonge. There isn't much development on Finch West. All there is are residential areas near Jane, Humber College, and people going to YorkU (which can be easily dealt with if there is a better east-west subway from Sheppard-Yonge to Downsview, since the Spadina subway is being extended already).

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