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Should the TTC ban eating on its vehicles?

Posted by Derek Flack / March 23, 2011

TTC ban food eatingAfter a YouTube video of an altercation on the the New York subway over a passenger eating spaghetti went viral, the Metro Transit Authority (MTA) has made a few rumblings about the possibility of banning food in the system. It doesn't look like those ideas are going anywhere, but proponents argue that food and subways just don't mix. Not only is there the issue of inter-rider anger, but organic garbage that doesn't make it to the bins is the stuff of dreams for mice and rats (the latter of which is quite the problem in NYC).

So what about the TTC? When we polled readers a few month ago about what passenger behaviour they found most annoying, smelly food didn't rank particularly high (less than three per cent of the vote). But, then again, there were so many other gripes on the list, I'm not sure if that exercise told us much about what people think of eating on the TTC.

It's noteworthy that the Commission did in fact try to ban the consumption of food on its vehicles many years ago, but as TTC spokesperson Brad Ross explained to me in an email, it ultimately pulled the plug when "a complaint was filed with the Ontario Municipal Board, as there are people, for example diabetics, who do require food at various times to maintain blood-sugar levels."

Believing it would be difficult to manage the exceptions to rule, the TTC opted not to pursue the issue. So I suppose the question becomes, was that the best course of action? Some passengers would need to be exempted, but one wonders if it would really pose that much of a challenge to implement a set of rules in which takes this into account.

What do you think? Do other people eating and drinking on TTC vehicles bother you? Are you sick of Coke cans that tirelessly roll back and forth on the subway floor? Is it worth making an effort to keep this to a minimum? Let's add this to the list of issues that newly appointed Chief Customer Service Officer Chris Upfold has to consider.

Update:

Brad Ross brought up a good point in a conversation about why the TTC didn't (and doesn't) want to pursue a ban: "To make exceptions and/or exemptions for those who do need to eat, the concern, at the time, was one of stigmatizing those people. In general, we hope people are considerate of others and, of course, use the garbage receptacles that are on every platform, elsewhere in the stations, and on almost every street corner. There's really no excuse for littering."


Photo by neuroticjose on Flickr.

Discussion

157 Comments

qwerty / March 23, 2011 at 03:20 pm
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Go ahead ban food. It's not like the TTC will enforce it anyway.
qwerty / March 23, 2011 at 03:22 pm
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Smokers piss me off more. I'd rather sit next to a guy eating curry than someone who just had a smoke.
Mike W / March 23, 2011 at 03:25 pm
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Yes, because I can't mind my own goddamn business.

rob / March 23, 2011 at 03:31 pm
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This BlogTO article clearly has racist overtones.
Enforce / March 23, 2011 at 03:34 pm
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No way the TTC can enforce this. They are loosing the battle of smokers on bus platforms, etc. I see dozens of people do it daily, without getting getting caught. If they can't stop this, they can't enforce a food ban.
Derek replying to a comment from rob / March 23, 2011 at 03:36 pm
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What are you talking about?
Daryl / March 23, 2011 at 03:39 pm
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This article is too long: it feels like a highschooler stretching out their essay to fill 1000 words. Why write a long article when a simple poll would suffice.

"Are you sick of Coke cans that tirelessly roll back and forth on the subway floor?"
Yes, add more trash receptacles.
Loper / March 23, 2011 at 03:42 pm
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I think we should just ban spaghetti. Gross.
jeffreym / March 23, 2011 at 03:42 pm
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Given the fact that the TTC rents out space to food venders in it's stations, I don't think they'd have a leg to stand on if they decided to ban it.
Rob replying to a comment from Derek / March 23, 2011 at 03:43 pm
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The Chinese guy. With glasses. Eating noodles. With chopsticks. I'm joking
Krstyle replying to a comment from Daryl / March 23, 2011 at 03:44 pm
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Welcome to the internet age, where a five paragraph article is too long! Please read a book, Daryl.
AV replying to a comment from rob / March 23, 2011 at 03:44 pm
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Boo hoo... a picture of an Asian person eating noodles is racist now? Holy pussification of society Batman!!!
ugh / March 23, 2011 at 03:46 pm
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I say we just dont let that pudgy kid on anymore.

what a debacle.
geg / March 23, 2011 at 03:49 pm
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Ban food on the TTC!!! By the way, buy this slice of pizza for 99c
PMK / March 23, 2011 at 03:51 pm
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I saw a woman shelling and eating peanuts (and dropping the shells on the floor) on a bus the other day. I thought about my toddler niece who's allergic to them.

I don't think you should ban eating, but some people need to stop eating stupidly.

...and if you are going to eat your tuna sandwich on the subway, please chew with your fricken mouth closed!
Kris Law / March 23, 2011 at 03:53 pm
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Just what we need! More sticking of noses in other people's business. Business as usual here.
Jeff / March 23, 2011 at 03:54 pm
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This article should really talk about how this is relevant to people with severe allergies. If you're someone with a severe peanut allergy that is triggered by the smell, it can become a pretty bad situation to have someone in the same subway car/bus eating a peanut butter sandwich.

Smells may bother some people, but smells in enclosed areas that passengers can't exit quickly from can severely impact the health of those with allergies.
tonofun / March 23, 2011 at 04:01 pm
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Ban fat people too.
Since they are most likely to be eating.
Tapcon / March 23, 2011 at 04:03 pm
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I can't recall where it was (Torontoist Rocket Talk?), but the TTC has addressed this issue before.

Basically they don't condone eating on the TTC, but they'd prefer people eat than faint from hunger, which is actually a fairly common problem on the subway.

It isn't getting banned. Move along.
Mike W / March 23, 2011 at 04:04 pm
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This. Eat smarter. Eat courteously.


Rob: Jokes are required to be remotely comedic. Don't be an idiot.
Craig replying to a comment from qwerty / March 23, 2011 at 04:06 pm
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How about actually enforcing the people who smoke on TTC bus platforms or anywhere else inside the station?
The TTC have balls (yet none at all) to even be thinking about this. I don't like sitting next to someone eating but at the same time, I don't even sit down when I'm on the damn thing anyway.

Worry more about violence and the smoking thing.
Butterfried / March 23, 2011 at 04:09 pm
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I think we should ban the following:

- curry (indians, pakistanis et al)
- rice noodle (asians)
- feces (homeless, infants and the disabled)
- fast food (blacks, low-incomes, students and teens)
- free newspapers on the floor(all of the above)
- paid dailies on the floor (educated, established, employed)

Are we done here?
eVad replying to a comment from Tapcon / March 23, 2011 at 04:10 pm
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I'm pretty sure this is directly mentioned in the article. Thanks for reading!
Cbab / March 23, 2011 at 04:10 pm
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@Mike W : That would require a bit of common sense, which itself has evidently been banned from most public areas, both on and offline. :)
Sean / March 23, 2011 at 04:10 pm
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Why exactly does food need to be banned?

Is it the odour? If that is the case, I have yet to come across a meal that smells as vile as some of the people I come across while riding the TTC, so I do not think the smell is that much of a problem.

Is it the litter? What about all the other litter one comes across on the TTC? For the longest time now I have wondered why the TTC does not put waste bins on its vehicles. At most adding waste bins would decrease a vehicle's maximum capacity by one or two people.

Just how would the TTC enforce this anyway? The TTC is having trouble enforcing regulations it already has. Someone already brought up smoking on TTC property. In addition to that, when is the last time anyone has seen a TTC employee board the Queen streetcar to check to see if everyone has paid their fare? I am guessing they do not do that much because they cannot afford to spend their resources on that. Can you imagine the nightmare they would have checking to make sure that no one is eating on trains, buses and subways?
Dan / March 23, 2011 at 04:12 pm
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Sometimes that may be the only time or meal a transit rider may be able to eat especially when travelling long distances. Given all the delays & problems TTC experiences it is no wonder so many passengers eat/dine while using the TTC. The smoking ban hardly works so how can enforcing a new no eating one work other than cost the TTC more money for enforcement officers which in turn will be passed along to transit riders in the usual fare increase. So I say no let the people eat.
Andy Barratt / March 23, 2011 at 04:14 pm
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if they ban food on subways, what's gonna happen to United Way Pizza Wednesdays?
j-rock / March 23, 2011 at 04:15 pm
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They shouldn't have to ban it. People should know better in the first place. A ban would be completely ineffective anyway.
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mike m / March 23, 2011 at 04:23 pm
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I think we just need people to stop acting like animals and use the garbage cans. DOnt throw food or wrappers on the floor. It is just disrespectful and piggish. But then again these same pigs do this all across the city. Just have to realize we live among pigs I guess
MattZ / March 23, 2011 at 04:30 pm
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Not a fan of eaters on the subway, but this is a moot issue to pursue.

Even if this was enforced (which it wouldn't be), what is a TTC Special Constable going to do when faced with an eater? Forcibly take their food? Halt the subway until they turn over the pizza?

Given the amount of respect in the form of spitting, racial slurs, and profanity thrown at TTC workers, there's no point in discussing how this would go over. TTC would be accused of power tripping, public would be accused of causing even further workplace frustration for TTC workers.

Save some of that prime ad space, TTC, and continuously run smart 'Be courteous to your other riders' campaigns. Forever. And never let up on it.
Sally / March 23, 2011 at 04:32 pm
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The issue is, our society is lacking common decency. It is just plain rude to sit on a subway and eat your dinner. Just. plain. rude.
Kind of like blowing a really wicked acid fart. It's rude. *most* people know better than to fart on the subway. You would think most people would know better than to eat their meal on one too....but alas, this society is going down the drain.
Sally / March 23, 2011 at 04:36 pm
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I got it!
Public shamming! Every time someone opens up their lunch box and digs into a large meal everyone on the subway stands up and gives them a long drawn out round of applause.
Sally / March 23, 2011 at 04:36 pm
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I meant "shaming" not "shamming" LOL
Sean replying to a comment from Sally / March 23, 2011 at 04:40 pm
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Two things:

1. Some people have commutes that last well over an hour. Some people even spend a couple of hours each way travelling on the TTC. Many of these people travel during times when humans are accustomed to eating and consequently get hungry. Yes, the simple answer to this is to take 5-10 minutes off TTC property to eat but, that extra 5-10 minutes could see a person wait an additional 20 minutes for their bus because they missed it due to their need to eat. They then might have to wait even longer because of the additional connecting routes they have to take. Those 5-10 minutes they had to take to eat can easily snowball into reaching their destination at a time that is much greater than 5-10 minutes later. Combine that reality with the reality that many people have children they need to attend to or other jobs they have to be at and this becomes anything but an ideal solution.

2. A major cause of TTC delays is fainting. One of the primary causes of fainting are low blood sugar levels.
Stacey Henderson replying to a comment from Dan / March 23, 2011 at 04:43 pm
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I agree with Dan - people live busy lives and sometimes eating while on the go is the only option. In my opinion, the problem isn't the food - it's the occasional inconsiderate passenger who leaves behind a mess, and the nosey individuals who can't mind their own business (pun intended). I think installing trash receptacles and encouraging people to refrain from consuming nut products is a more realistic and sensible approach - yes, compliance will probably still be poor, but it's bound to help a little bit. Lastly, I'm not aware of any vile-smelling foods either. It seems to me that Torontonians don't really have a problem with food on the TTC so much as that they have a problem with "cultural" food on the TTC...
Mr. Sparkle / March 23, 2011 at 04:45 pm
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Buy this delicious Cinnabon INSIDE a subway station BUT DO NOT EAT IT UNTIL YOU ARE OFF TTC PROPERTY

Purchase this pack of gum from the Bloor station newstand but DO NOT SWALLOW ANY GUMMY SALIVA UNTIL YOU ARE OFF TTC PROPERTY

Buy this charity PIZZA PIZZA slice but put it in your pocket until etc

etc

etc

etc


This city is run by f*cking morons

However I am all for making the TTC peanut free.
A simple PSA campaign will accomplish that.


Miroslav Glavic / March 23, 2011 at 04:46 pm
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Fine people who don't pick up their containers and put it in the stations garbage cans.

If you are going to eat then clean up after yourself.

I eat on the subway, two patties I get at Kennedy station on my way downtown. I throw the paper/envelope/whatever you want to call them and my coke bottle/water bottle/etc... at Bloor-Yonge.
Nick / March 23, 2011 at 04:47 pm
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How about rather than banning, just discouraging? Going the route of common civility towards people around you rather than adding rules that won't be enforced anyways. Go ahead and eat a chocolate bar. But if you want to sit and eat a massive, sloppy hamburger on the train, you are likely the kind of person no one likes anyway. Just realize it's gross/annoying and stop it.

You're in a public place. Leave your shoes on. Don't spit. Don't fart. Don't eat massive meals.

But if you are having a snack between school and work, who is hurt?
Mike W replying to a comment from Sally / March 23, 2011 at 04:48 pm
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Wow! We're peas in a pod :)

(see comment #3)
blarg / March 23, 2011 at 04:55 pm
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Best way to solve this problem? Unleash the nastiest fart you can right beside the messy/smelly eater. If they can still eat their dinner in peace, they deserve to.
Johnny Tronno / March 23, 2011 at 04:58 pm
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Why doesn't Subway subs open any shops in the subway? Duh.

Take out all of the seats, see how easy it is to eat noodles with chopsticks!!
Al / March 23, 2011 at 05:05 pm
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I don't really see people eating during rush-hour. Sometimes I see it on weekends but it doesn't bother me, as long as they don't make a mess. I have seen spilled coffee and other liquids streaming along the floor. That's probably more of a concern.
FOOD / March 23, 2011 at 05:19 pm
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People can eat food as long as they clean up after themselves, some people have long treks and to deny someone the right to eat food. But for those that eat, please be respectful of those around you, mainly don't be rude, dont chew with your mouth open, have something that is commonly allergic ex. peanuts, dont have something that will reek the whole place i mean c'mon people can get nauseous its just like fragrances and most importantly clean up after yourself.
hungry little vermin / March 23, 2011 at 05:20 pm
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Hey, I say eat your homemade sammich on the bus/train/streetcar but for f-sakes, please be considerate of those around you, or those who may sit in your seat once you have disembarked. Use the bins, and have some common sense / respect.

This, however, does not extend to those who eat smelly MacAnything in-transit. You should rather keep that putrid stuff to yourself.

Oh and @Rob, I believe that is a WOMAN eating noddles in the lead pic... just sayin'

Love you guys : )
Dave K replying to a comment from Kris Law / March 23, 2011 at 05:27 pm
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Sure, I'd generally say that other people eating falls under "none of my business". That is, until they're eating something stinky, slurping and smacking their lips, smearing grease on the bars, holding the container over my lap and dropping the remainder on the floor when they reach their stop. It becomes my business when it creeps into my personal space and especially when people refuse to clean up after themselves in a public place. Then it's not just a nuisance; it's unsanitary.
mark83 / March 23, 2011 at 05:31 pm
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honestly ban free newspapers, i see them scattered on subway cars all the time (i do grab one sometimes and read and then dispose of it properly when i reach my station
skeeter / March 23, 2011 at 05:32 pm
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i think the phrase "just sayin'" should be banned from use on the TTC, and everywhere for that matter. file it with "where's the beef" and "you are the weakest link, goodbye" and "show me the money" and "what happens in ___ stays in ___" and other annoying phrases that have been overused.
b / March 23, 2011 at 05:35 pm
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no way. that's a man, man!!
Doug / March 23, 2011 at 05:50 pm
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@Dan...

Two words: time management

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Chicago's RTA has a no food or drink rule and from observations it appears 99.9% of people obey it. I have yet to see a ubiquitous TTC-style rolling pop can or McDonalds wrapper on the floor.
Mike W replying to a comment from Dave K / March 23, 2011 at 05:59 pm
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I hate it when people are talking loud when they're on their cell phones, listen to their music so loud I can hear it, and when they don't cover their mouths when sneezing or yawning.

We should ban cell phone usage, personal music players & headphones, sneezing and yawning in public spaces as well.
skeeter / March 23, 2011 at 06:09 pm
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i propose that teenagers should be banned from the TTC. how do we implement this? by putting a bar at the back of every bus/streetcar/subway train and making the TTC 19+ only.
PerfumeSmellsWorseThanMcD's / March 23, 2011 at 06:18 pm
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Just clean up after yourself and avoid food which are known to cause allergic reactions like nuts. People travel great distances on transit and delays only increase the possibility you may need to eat enroute. Relax people food is a necessity of life....littering or being a pig about it are not. And none of this time management BS...some people lead very busy lives and can't afford to loose an hour of sleep to eat at home or a resto because you don't like the smell of McDonalds...it's more likely the smell of your body odour or the shower in cologne/perfume you took that's offensive to the senses, more so than the food I am eating. Just be considerate and maybe we can all get along!
Seriously / March 23, 2011 at 06:28 pm
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Who in their right mind would want to eat on the TTC during flu season, nasty.....
Mezimeen replying to a comment from rob / March 23, 2011 at 06:41 pm
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What the hell are you talking about?
john q public / March 23, 2011 at 06:45 pm
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It is inconsiderate to force people to smell your stinky food in a confined space. Unwritten rule - yes. Written rule - unlikely.
jinxx008 / March 23, 2011 at 06:52 pm
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Get a damn car! 'Nuff said.
Dave K replying to a comment from Mike W / March 23, 2011 at 06:56 pm
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Not exactly what I was getting at. My point was that the problem isn't merely eating; it's people who are slobs and indulge their bad habits in public with no regard for the mess they make or the people around them.

While the TTC obviously can't prohibit people from being rude or slovenly, they can encourage better behaviour via a good PR/ad campaign. And, more importantly, the TTC can crack down on littering, which is ultimately the real issue we're discussing here.

Fine people for littering, put up signs, advertise a "zero-tolerance" policy - and, as some have suggested, place trash receptacles in all TTC vehicles. There are plenty of ways to go about it.
nnicole / March 23, 2011 at 06:58 pm
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I totally agree that perfume and fragrances cause more of an annoyance than food on the ttc
Mike W replying to a comment from Dave K / March 23, 2011 at 07:09 pm
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I agree completely then :)
AV replying to a comment from blarg / March 23, 2011 at 07:13 pm
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"Best way to solve this problem? Unleash the nastiest fart you can right beside the messy/smelly eater. If they can still eat their dinner in peace, they deserve to."

This is in fact what I do when someone who is being discourteous to me (hitting me with their bag after having given them the 'dead' eye, sitting on top of me because their fat rolls from their seat onto mine/me, etc...). I say all is fair on the subway... if you want to take it there and be an asshole, game on.
Bubba / March 23, 2011 at 07:36 pm
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Can we first ban urine, vomit and huffing.
Ola / March 23, 2011 at 08:16 pm
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haha, I still find it amazing that one would actually eat anything on the TTC, it's just so stinky and dirty that the last thing I want to do is eating there.
... replying to a comment from Doug / March 23, 2011 at 08:24 pm
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How much of the Chicago RTA budget is covered by the government?

You people want the TTC to pay for these things without realizing that the TTC is poorly funded.
alex / March 23, 2011 at 09:28 pm
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like Bubba, said, ban urine, vomit and unpleasantries. not food. Do you have any idea how hungry workers can get after their long shifts without sufficient meal breaks? It takes an hour for me to get home, and if I am hungry I will eat, wherever I may be.

TheTruth / March 23, 2011 at 09:37 pm
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Garbage bins on the TTC would stink the place up. Imagine a friday night of people puking in there? The trash is to be kept on you till you leave the subway or streetcar, then dispose of it outside.

Eating on transit is low-class. period. A coffee or fruit, or something small; okay. A hot meal from a vendor or take out is just too much. It's a dirty place to start with, and even if you choose to eat in it, it makes some people revolted to have to watch and smell your meal in addition to the rest of the smells already inherent.

Rule or not, it's up to society to truly judge where we stand on it, and here's one vote against it.

Save the food for home, or at a table. not in a seat bombing through an underground tunnel.
Joey / March 23, 2011 at 09:43 pm
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No, I don't want the TTC to ban eating on its vehicles. You know what I want them to ban? People cutting the goddamn toenails and fingernails. Seriously. Knock that shit off, it's nasty.
Daniela / March 23, 2011 at 10:31 pm
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what about the people who cough or sneeze and after they've wiped their noses with their hands, they put their gross hand right back on the pole that I have my clean hands on. Ban That!
Daniela / March 23, 2011 at 10:32 pm
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People who try to hold onto the pole with their buttocks (you know, standing againt it with the pole in their butt crack).
Anon / March 23, 2011 at 10:36 pm
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Hahaha this is dymo,nicest guy you'll ever meet.Btw he's korean & jap,and the photo is 5 years old.
Daniela / March 23, 2011 at 10:44 pm
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Leaving trash on the seats is bad behavior. Like I saw you leave that soiled tissue with your snot all over it when you got off the subway.

R / March 23, 2011 at 11:00 pm
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This is about education. Eating on the subway is the most disgusting thing that I have ever seen. So maybe the TTC should give some 'behavior guidelines'.
R replying to a comment from TheTruth / March 23, 2011 at 11:01 pm
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agreed!
Josh / March 23, 2011 at 11:53 pm
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Will the TTC Also stop advertising candy and food on its, shelters, subways and buses to then?
Doolie / March 23, 2011 at 11:58 pm
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Theres nothing wrong with eating on the subway or street car, give it a rest.
michelle / March 24, 2011 at 12:53 am
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i sat on the subway once and this one girl brought this nasty mayo filled sandwich that kept falling apart. she even licked her fingers. it was fucking disgusting.
Pedro replying to a comment from blarg / March 24, 2011 at 01:02 am
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"Best way to solve this problem? Unleash the nastiest fart you can right beside the messy/smelly eater. If they can still eat their dinner in peace, they deserve to."

LMAO!!! Thanks for the laugh. I'm in tears!

... and yes, that would solve it.
Rachel / March 24, 2011 at 01:26 am
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It's about time someone brings this topic up. Our subway trains have always been filled with filth caused by litter and remnants of food, so much that a TTC ride is becoming like a crawl in a tunnel of trash. We've just come to accept this condition because it's what we've always known. I visited Hong Kong over the summer, and to my surprise, their subway trains were impeccably clean. All because they took the step to ban food. While I agree it's a huge inconvenience to not be able to eat food on the go (not to mention that it doesn't seem to make much sense to have food vendors in the TTC and not permit the consumption of food and drink on the trains), just think about it -- do you want to commute in a clean environment, or continue commuting on trains full of bacteria? The TTC would definitely not be able to enforce this ban alone so it's up to the public. I'm sure there are other cities in the world that ban food on their subway trains. Maybe TTC can post up posters of our trains compared to trains in those cities and let people decide what they want. If a city with a hotter and stickier climate than ours is capable of keeping their trains so clean, then why can't we?
Asians! / March 24, 2011 at 02:03 am
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ASIANS IN THE TTC!!!
Nathan replying to a comment from Mr. Sparkle / March 24, 2011 at 02:06 am
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@Mr. Sparkle, there are more allergies than just peanuts..
S / March 24, 2011 at 05:35 am
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There are no garbage cans in the subways, buses and streetcars. Guess where the half-eaten containers & wrappers go? The floor.
Sean replying to a comment from TheTruth / March 24, 2011 at 07:05 am
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"Garbage bins on the TTC would stink the place up. Imagine a friday night of people puking in there? The trash is to be kept on you till you leave the subway or streetcar, then dispose of it outside."

Last I checked, people do not usually puke in garbage bins. Moreover, if there are no garbage bins in the first place, how would a train, bus or streetcar smell any better in the event of someone throwing up?

As for the potential odor associated with trash bins, that problem can easily be solved by using bins with lids and emptying out the trash at the end of each trip.
Gordon / March 24, 2011 at 07:21 am
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I think it's fine if people snack a bit on the TTC but unfortunately others really take it the extreme and often leave their garbage on the bus/streetcar/subway. Like so often in life, a few people ruin it for everyone else so if a ban happens, I wouldn't be surprised.

Hey why not ban cell phones while you're at it. Talk about annoying - get a life!
Trent / March 24, 2011 at 09:04 am
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Yes to the eating ban on TTC, people can practice a little restraint. The TTC is grimy and germ infested and in motion.

When you eat on the subway, you wear an invisible sign that says "I'm a vulgarian without self-control". It's presumptuous to think that everyone in your vicinity is oblivious to the stink of your meal or the food-shoving and chomping show you're putting on -- you are a beast of a spectacle.

Eating on the Metro in Paris is illegal and unconscionable.
Karina / March 24, 2011 at 09:23 am
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I once saw a lady bring a spoon & bowl on car...pour a zip lock baggie of cereal and a mini carton of milk and eat like she was watching Saturday morning cartoons at home.
A granola bar or small snack is fine. Who has a problem with that?
It is when full meals are brought on car that is unnecessary and unpleasant for other passengers.

Sometimes it smells bad. Sometimes you see people eating with their hands, fingers diving into their mouths, sucking off remnants...then pulling the stop cord or crabbing on to the pole for stability.
Not to mention, if it is a day when you forgot your ipod ( god forbid ) you may get the privilege of listening to the sound of crunching, sucking, smacking, and gnawing of various dripping, flaking, spilling foods.
jacob / March 24, 2011 at 09:30 am
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Eating on the subway isn't a big deal, and trying to enforce a ban would be a waste of effort and resources.

... / March 24, 2011 at 10:04 am
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From The Guardian's comment section on the same subject:

Jesus, people, get a grip.

In the grim hierarchy of B.O., halitosis, loudly debated right-wing opinions, toe-crushing, loud iPods, offensive ugliness, fight-starting stares, public Daily Mail reading, nose picking, ear picking, crotch rearrangement, flatulence, spot worrying, tooth picking, hair fiddling, obsessive texting, humming and generally florid shouty psychosis; can't we agree that a quiet nibble on your lunch is pretty low down the list.

Public transport is a barely contained mobile bedlam; a charivari of the angry, uptight, hurried and frankly mental of the city. In my neck of the woods the definition of a polite public transport customer is one who'll eat his lunch without getting his knob out.

Get a bike.
Jen / March 24, 2011 at 10:07 am
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Sometimes I get takeout and eat on the subway... I'm not going to suppress my hunger so someone on a diet can refrain from griping at my delicious food.

People have to enforce their own behaviour, it also bothers me when people leave their food or wrappers behind. I would purposely ratpack my purse full of garbage until I find the nearest trash can. It shouldn't be so hard to clean up after yourself.
kyliep / March 24, 2011 at 10:09 am
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@karina lol!! wouldn't be surprised if the woman you describe was also wearing pajama bottoms, which seems to be an acceptable form of outside dress these days for some as well. and one of the main reasons i plug in my headphones when i take transit is so i don't have to listen to inane cell conversations but i hadn't thought of the practicality of blocking out all that nasty slurping as well!

agree with others that attempting to enforce a ban would be difficult to the point of impossible. the same way it's impossible to get people to take. off. their. goddamn. backpacks. on. a. crowded. effing. streetcar. or. move. the. eff. back.

have also had coffee perilously close to landing in my lap several times this week.

let's just be a little considerate please people.
kyliep / March 24, 2011 at 10:15 am
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also, while spitting is banned, i see people doing this all the time, especially in the subways. what the hell are you eating, smoking, drinking that makes the saliva in your mouth so damn intolerable that you have to spit in any receptacle other than a sink?
Little Fury / March 24, 2011 at 10:28 am
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Yeah, I'm sure it's the diabetics are wolfing down Big Macs and large fries or slurping up takeout bins of food court Thai noodles. For the most part, subway eating is purely about selfish instant gratification for people like Jen above.
KL / March 24, 2011 at 10:36 am
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Full ban, please.

I saw some asshole eating a SOUVLAKI DINNER on the subway, sandwiched between two unfortunate souls on one of those three-seater sectionals. Of course, he's oblivious to the fact that he's being an asshole.
lola / March 24, 2011 at 10:49 am
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Food, I can handle, but I would vote against applying nail polish on the subway. Yes, it happens - I had to move to another car in order to breathe.
j-rock replying to a comment from Little Fury / March 24, 2011 at 11:26 am
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OTM.
Bob Brent / March 24, 2011 at 12:04 pm
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The TTC would love to have eating banned on their vehicles, it would make cleaning them much easier and cheaper.

Unfortunately, for the TTC, jursidiction rests with the OMB, which turned down the one TTC request I'm aware, prior to my tenure as TTC CMO in 1997.
blarg / March 24, 2011 at 12:08 pm
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I would like to ban backpacks. Its not like our population was exposed to radioactive sludge that merged their backpacks with their bodies creating the all-aged mutant backpack turtles...

Take off your backpacks during rush hour please!
Dave K replying to a comment from S / March 24, 2011 at 12:09 pm
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"Guess where the half-eaten containers & wrappers go? The floor."

There may not be trash receptacles on TTC vehicles, but it doesn't take much energy to hold on to your garbage until the next stop. Subway stations have garbage/recycling receptacles, as do city streets, building lobbies, malls, etc.

Seriously, folks. How lazy and disgusting do you have to be to dump your half-eaten container of "oodles of noodles" on the subway floor? Hold on to it for a few minutes. It's not going to kill ya (although your apparent sloth and gluttony might).
Mike W / March 24, 2011 at 12:24 pm
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Does anyone remember that there used to be garbage cans on the subway platforms right? They were never an issue until people started lazily throwing around the word "terrorism".
that photo / March 24, 2011 at 12:31 pm
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The photo of the portly oriental man eating his native food is technically illegal.

Commercial profit groups must use a permit to photograph on TTC property.

As well, this portly oriental did not consent unless he/she accepts responsibility for being portly on said grounds.
dick / March 24, 2011 at 12:56 pm
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African women with orange peels!!!!
Mike W replying to a comment from that photo / March 24, 2011 at 01:06 pm
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There's an interesting point in this stupid comment. Don't you need a model release to display this photo alongside blogto ads (nevermind a ttc permit)?

Has this come up in the past? This can't be the first photo of such nature on blogto.

Also: chicken balls are native to Asia. They're native to North America. The more you know.
Bob Brent / March 24, 2011 at 01:34 pm
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@that photo,

Anyone can take pictures of the TTC, whether off or on-TTC property, there is no specific TTC by-law prohibition against taking pictures that I'm aware of—as long as you're not interfering with TTC operations—although there may be secondary Toronto, Provincial, Federal (by)laws that prohibit or limit what, when, where you can take certain pictures and what permissions you made need to publish them (i.e. personal releases, the HTA—e.g. standing in roadway or taking a flash picture directly into a nearby TTC driver's eyes while they're operating a vehicle—just as laser pointers being aimed at plane/helicopter cockpits are Federally prohibited—a criminal offence, I believe).

To film (commercial or movie shoot) on the TTC requires a TTC permit, including review & pre-approval of the storyboard/script for any material objectionable to the TTC that would likely reduce rides or increase rider concerns, fears of riding the TTC (e.g. subway suicides, assaults, a person being pushed off platform to the platform, or in front of a bus etc.).

Some TTC Operators assume (erroneously) that "filming" on the TTC prohibits you taking pictures on the TTC and they may order TTC riders to stop taking pictures. If so, politely inform them they are misinformed, pictures are allowed, only filming requires a TTC permit.

In the recent backlash over riders snapping candid pictures of TTC drivers texting/using cell while operating vehicles the TTC pointedly did not state riders didn't have the right to take the pictures, rather requesting they refrain from doing so as a courtesy and report the driver to the TTC (in fact it's a bother to report vehicle Route, Run number, operator badge/description, time, etc. by phone or e-mail and it's less effective without corroborating evidence when the operator's conduct is reviewed by a supervisor for potential punishment).

It'e been awhile since I was TTC CMO and was responsible for filming on the TTC, so I'm not sure where digital cameras with video capabilities would fit in. I suspect that amateur videos taken with a consumer digital camera would be allowed, as long as there is no auxillary light unit that could impair or blind a TTC driver or guard's vision as they are operating a vehicle, particularly when turning or entering a subway/bus platform.
duh / March 24, 2011 at 01:43 pm
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^^^You missed the sarcasm.

This place earns money, and is using a non-consenting photo in a place that requires a permit to shoot.

This is a lawsuit waiting to happen.
the lemur replying to a comment from Mike W / March 24, 2011 at 02:07 pm
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There used to be single garbage cans, which have now been replaced by the individual holders for clear bags for recycling, paper and other waste. The terrorism argument was mostly because subway systems in other cities had had bombs that weren't noticed placed in bins.
Mike W replying to a comment from Mike W / March 24, 2011 at 02:10 pm
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I meant Chicken balls are<b>n't</b> native to Asia.

Mike W replying to a comment from Bob Brent / March 24, 2011 at 02:16 pm
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Bob many flickr uses quote Bylaw 16 section B:

<i>No person shall operate for commercial purposes any camera, video recording device, movie camera, or any similar device upon any vehicle or premises of the Commission without authorization.</i>

I can't find a ttc reference myself but is this valid?

This doesn't seem to apply in this case since the original photography was not for commercial purposes, but instead a photo used for commercial purposes (without model release which is still a no-no).
Bob Brent / March 24, 2011 at 03:20 pm
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@Mike W,

The key phrase is "for commercial purposes" so if you have an obvious TV commercial or movie "film" shoot, or even a photographic shoot with staged lighting/backgrounds needing set-up they would have to be reviewed by the TTC's Filming Coordinator, to ensure it wouldn't disrupt TTC operations or customer flow, safety or sully the TTC's image or make riders fearful or less likely to ride the TTC—before the TTC would authorize it and provide dated/timed property passes to access the TTC (usually a subway station).

In some cases the company or producers appeal a negative decision to not allow filming and it goes to Senior TTC General Managers or even TTC Commissioners in a few rare cases to arbitrate. It's a real art in trying to being consistent, fair and transparent in applying film standards, as the creative community is after all is very creative in thinking of ways to skirt them!

As long as there is no commercial purpose in shooting a picture or video, then an individual has the right to take them, with the proviso they're not interfering with TTC Operations, safety or passengers.

I've heard of situations where TTC Operators or Supervisors have invoked safety or operational concerns where there clearly are none —in an attempt to intimidate and discourage otherwise innocent amateur photographers and film buffs who simply the the transit sub-culture.

It would be a real stretch for the TTC to legally argue that because a picture may be or was later posted or reposted on a for-profit "commercial" blog, photo or video site (e.g. The Star.com, G&M.com, Flickr, YouTube, etc.) that the picture/video is in fact for commercial purposes and is therefore prohibited without prior approval.

The TTC loves blog posts, pictures and videos that cast the TTC image in a positive light and naturally cringe when they're cast in a negative light. That's only fair play—you take the bad with the good!
KL / March 24, 2011 at 03:25 pm
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Cheezies should be banned.

I can't count the number of times at Scarborough Town Centre that I've touched escalator belts with a streak of cheese along them or attempted to hold onto a bar that was coated in Dorito crumbs. Absolutely, positively disgusting food eaten by uncivilized animals.
Bob Brent / March 24, 2011 at 03:30 pm
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Erratum: the above post should read "...who simply <love> the transit sub-culture".

I also forgot to add, from Apple's Mac OS X Dictionary, its definition of "Commercial" which pretty clearly excludes any amateur transit and rail fans taking pictures and video on the TTC!!:

commercial |kəˈmər sh əl| (abbr.: comm.)
adjective
1 concerned with or engaged in commerce : a commercial agreement.
2 making or intended to make a profit : commercial products.
• having profit, rather than artistic or other value, as a primary aim : their work is too commercial.
3 (of television or radio) funded by the revenue from broadcast advertisements.
4 (of chemicals) supplied in bulk and not of the highest purity.
Bob Brent / March 24, 2011 at 03:33 pm
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Erratum II: the above post should read "... who simply "love" the transit sub-culture.

I didn't know that arrows mean don't include in HTML, so back to quotation marks!
Bob Brent / March 24, 2011 at 03:45 pm
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Erratum II: "...who simply "love" the transit sub-culture"
mike in parkdale / March 24, 2011 at 03:45 pm
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if people used manners and tact, this wouldn't even be a topic of discussion.

I've seen people eating snacks and it's no problem at all, but I've also seen people slopping down big macs and it's kinda gnarly.

manners.

I don't even like to use my cell on the subway, let alone chow down.
steve / March 24, 2011 at 04:09 pm
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How about a compromise? Let's ban food (bottled water accepted) for 3 months over the summer and see the results. It's quite possible there would be savings.

And seriously, what's up with the orange peels? Out of all the garbage I see, orange peels have got to be the most common on the streetcars. A banana peel is messy, so I could understand being an ass and leaving that, but an orange peel?! Come on!
blah / March 24, 2011 at 04:29 pm
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BlogTO has ads.

BlogTO earns revenue.

BlogTO must now follow TTC commercial rules.

BlogTO must now have consent from people in their photos.
Diana / March 24, 2011 at 05:08 pm
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I personally do not think that they should ban eating on the TTC. There are people with very busy lives and sometimes eating during the commute is the only time when they are able to eat.
Rachel / March 24, 2011 at 05:22 pm
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Growing up in Washington, DC, it was considered worse than a sin to eat on the Metro. Horror stories about people getting fined for eating both on the platforms and on the trains pretty much prevented anyone from even bothering. Subway etiquette in DC is well-known, acknowledged, and expected.

Seeing food on the subway for the first time was a real culture shock and kind of offensive. If you're not going to finish that burger, at least throw it away.

I wouldn't mind seeing a crackdown on food, smoking, and handing out literature on the TTC.
Todd / March 24, 2011 at 06:29 pm
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Toronto should overregulate and/or ban any aspect of life which is the least bit enjoyable or suspected of being potentially enjoyable.

Oh, wait a minute..
the lemur replying to a comment from Rachel / March 24, 2011 at 11:11 pm
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I really noticed the no-food thing on the Metro on a recent trip to DC - I guess that also makes it possible for the cars to be carpeted! But really, eating doesn't happen that much on the TTC and when it does people generally don't make a mess and don't consume things that are really pungent. It's the minority that do, which means it not worth enforcing universally.
Kris Law replying to a comment from Dave K / March 25, 2011 at 10:31 am
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No, that is called "life in public".
Sean replying to a comment from Rachel / March 25, 2011 at 11:14 am
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So, let me get this straight, you moved to a new place and found the local customs in that new place to be offensive?

That does not sound too tolerant to me.
mister_E / March 25, 2011 at 01:23 pm
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I guess because of the video that went viral this is now a talking point. But the idea of banning food on the TTC is ridiculous. I am not familiar with a lot of the stations but I am aware that there is a McDonald's in the TTC at Dundas Street West. Also, there is food available at Bathurst station. While it may be unpleasant for some people to be seated next to somebody chowing down. It is just as unpleasant to be next to somebody listening to their iPod too loud, or having someone next to you that smells bad, or talks too loud, or is too fat for their seat. This is the city, there will always be somebody or something annoying happening, deal with it.
Sarah / March 25, 2011 at 02:45 pm
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When I lived in Halifax, they had a no food policy on their transit. While it was not always enforced, about 1/4 of the drivers would either comment to make sure you didn't leave any trash, or outright didn't let you on the bus if you were eating. The rule itself seemed to deter most people.
With the subway this would be made much more difficult, but simply having the rule deters most people, and for those who do eat strongly encourages them to clean up after themselves. More than anything I think it is an issue of litter. Loose papers on a seat are one thing...but no one wants to pick up, or sit near food soiled packaging, or constantly see coffee cups and cans littered around.
the_lies replying to a comment from Jeff / March 25, 2011 at 04:00 pm
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Wear a mask? Why should the entire city do something different so the small percentage that have severe food allergies don't have a reaction? That's the thing with the people with scent allergies too, costing their companies piles of money and adjusting the lives of the people aroudn them so that they can be ok. You know what, you ahve an allergy? Take care of it yourself, wear a mask, or gloves or both or w/e you have to do to take care of yourself, that's your job nto mine. Let's say I have a mental disorder that causes me to lsoe it if a cell phone rings, shoudl we ban cellphones? Or shoudl i put on some fucking headphones and crank up the tunes? I'd say the latter makes a lot mroe sense.
the_lies replying to a comment from Sarah / March 25, 2011 at 04:01 pm
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The subways in NYC are a lot cleaner than they are here and they have no such law. What they do is clean the flippin subway cars often, as part of their customer service strategy.
Sarah replying to a comment from the_lies / March 26, 2011 at 03:29 pm
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Part of the reason NYC has a much cleaner transit system is because it isn't overloaded beyond capacity (like Toronto is).
If TTC wasn't stretched far beyond capacity cleaning subway cars wouldn't be an issue. But because it is, service would be worse if they attempted to clean the cars more often because there are not enough replacements to keep services running smoothy and at the status quo.
This simply isn't a viable option if they want to keep up current services, while attempting to expand so the system isn't overloaded.
Mike / March 27, 2011 at 12:57 pm
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Singapore's subway system has all food and drink banned and the people seem to get on fine. The cars are all spotless and I didn't really hear complaints that people are being inconvenienced.

I think banning just food is fine.
APOW replying to a comment from Mike / March 27, 2011 at 04:13 pm
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THATS GREAT MIKE. SINGAPORE DONT HAVE CRAFT BURGER THO.
electric / March 27, 2011 at 11:31 pm
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Lets ban anything and just sit there like pudgy white collar cattle staring dolefully at the floor.

Go Toronto!

Ride your bicycle instead, whiners.
the_lies / March 28, 2011 at 11:50 am
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Food smells even if it's not being eaten, are we going to ban the transport of food on the TTC? Are we going to ban scents on the TTC too, there are people with allergies to perfumes etc. I don't think the entire city should be subject to a law becqause a minority contingent doesn't like eating on the subway. Welcome to the city, folks, there are a large number of people here, get used to it.
the_lies / March 28, 2011 at 11:58 am
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@Sarah - it's not overcrowded in NYC? I beg to differ, the volume of traffic their subways see is munomentally larger than Toronto's sees. Their fares are much lower as well and their service is a thousand times better. If it's not a viable option it's because of mismanagement not logistics.
the lemur / March 28, 2011 at 12:12 pm
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There's no real point in banning food on the TTC at this point because it's pretty much established that people generally don't mind either eating on the subway or being around those who eat, there's already food sold on or near the TTC and I can't see enforcement being much of a success.

Washington has an established no-food policy that doesn't seem to be called into question; Singapore is a much more rule-abiding place.
Fantomex replying to a comment from Mike / March 29, 2011 at 09:28 am
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Keep in mind that Singapore is nothing but an authoritarian 'democracy' anyway, and that the longtime head of state is such a tool about being clean that even gum-chewing is regulated (you can't spit it out on the street.) Do we want Toronto to go down that route?
Fantomex replying to a comment from the_lies / March 29, 2011 at 09:30 am
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According to <i>you</i>. But <i>only</i> to you. And so long as you keep voting for people like Dalton McGuinty and Rob Ford, it will continue to be so, with no anti-eating law being of any use.
the lemur replying to a comment from Fantomex / March 29, 2011 at 10:08 am
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Well, that's true. The point is that that kind of authoritarian approach is a good cultural fit there but not here. If Singapore made it <i>mandatory</i> to eat on the subway, people would probably comply with that too.

I wouldn't mind a crackdown on gum wads here, though. And cigarette butts.
electric / March 29, 2011 at 12:35 pm
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Places like Singapore rot from the inside out! They'll always LOOK clean and upstanding though.

Instead of banning food on the ttc i am interested to install gigantic fume-hoods over each seat so we don't have to smell anything, except our own smug farts!
... / March 29, 2011 at 02:36 pm
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Haha yes, let's follow Singapore! Let's ban homosexuality like Singapore! Let's make porn illegal! Let's ban chewing gum like Singapore!
the lemur replying to a comment from ... / March 29, 2011 at 03:54 pm
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Exaggerating much? We're talking about a single transit system, not an entire country and its legislation. Spitting and smoking is already banned on the TTC - let's just enforce that, leave eating and drinking unbanned and enforce the littering regulations as well.
Ryan L. / March 29, 2011 at 04:30 pm
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Three words: Suck it up.
... replying to a comment from the lemur / March 30, 2011 at 10:21 am
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My comments were in regards to this:

Mike / March 27, 2011 at 12:57 PM

Singapore's subway system has all food and drink banned and the people seem to get on fine. The cars are all spotless and I didn't really hear complaints that people are being inconvenienced.
the lemur replying to a comment from ... / March 30, 2011 at 11:12 am
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And you'll notice that Mike referred to Singapore's rules as they apply to their subway system, not the country's legislation as a whole. No one is suggesting or implying adopting all of their laws, but you chose to stretch the point.

In fact, your absurd attempt to derail the discussion through logical fallacy is not unlike what happens in places like Singapore with strictly enforced consensus, where certain subjects magically become off-limits when they're too sensitive and exaggerated arguments like 'If we allow eating and drinking on public transport like Canada does, what's next?' are used to short-circuit the debate.

Washington, DC, banned eating and drinking from its Metro but homosexuality and porn continue to be legal in the district, so it's not all or nothing.

Allowing eating and drinking on the TTC, but not smoking, spitting or littering, works for the TTC and for Toronto. It's the enforcement that needs improvement.
Calvin Henry-Cotnam / March 31, 2011 at 11:51 am
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I have to travel in my job and have used a number of transit systems around the world and it is very rare that eating is permitted on systems the way the TTC does. I have seen some that even ban drinks unless they are in a sealable container (i.e.: screw-on lid).

I find it hard to believe that there are as many fainting spells that affect service as some of the posts suggest, but assuming there are, here is a solution that not only addresses this problem, but another: ban eating on vehicles, BUT replace the current trip-based transfers with time-based transfers. Anyone needing a bite to eat can exit at the next stop and grab a bite to eat and then continue their trip without extra cost.

This even permits going to the wash room without having to use those wonderfully clean washrooms in the odd subway station!

the lemur replying to a comment from Calvin Henry-Cotnam / March 31, 2011 at 01:06 pm
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That's actually a really sensible solution!
Todd replying to a comment from Calvin Henry-Cotnam / April 1, 2011 at 05:10 pm
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I'm in Berlin at the moment and there are heaps of little bistros, grocers, bakeries etc. in every station. In many of the larger stations they have kiosks - right on the platforms - that sell everything from sandwiches to soup and bottled water to beer. Riders are free to enjoy a snack or a beer on their journey home from work yet the entire system is almost spotless at any time of day or night.

Why does this work in Berlin? Because it's a civilised, sophisticated, cosmopolitan city. People take great pride in their city and clean up after themselves. In the rare event that they don't, the transit authority actually cleans the system throughout the day (even the washrooms are impeccable). Alcohol isn't viewed as something scary that has to be restricted and controlled at all cost. People here don't drink swill beer to get wasted, they drink a nice beer to relax.

Not to mention that there is more transit in Berlin itself than in all Canadian cities combined (then multiplied by 2). All U Bahn, S Bahn, RE, Trams are electric. All buses (articulated, double decker, you name it - they've got it) run on natural gas. One automated fare system that runs across all systems in Metro Berlin. No turnstiles, all door boarding. Runs 24 hours (like the bars). All modes are completely integrated, fast, clean, efficient, modern, affordable, almost eerily quiet. An absolute joy to use.

It's both refreshing and disturbing to be here. Refreshing to see what cities can be like when citizens are treated like adults instead of children and people are willing to pay the necessary amount (tax) to establish such a system. Disturbing to be reminded of what a backwards-ass, sh*thole of country Canada is becoming. I can't even imagine what Berliners must think when they come over here. It's embarrassing to even think about it.

Fantomex replying to a comment from Todd / April 2, 2011 at 09:13 am
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Excuse me Todd, but what do you think hybrid buses are if not environmentally friendly? And as for trains running 24-/365, a lot of other systems shut down for the night (one of them being RATP in Paris and the Montreal Metro) Why? Because it's not feasible for many to run like that all the time (not to mention how hard it is for the transit police to stop crime.)

If the people of Berlin are so offended by what they see here, perhaps they should not come here at all. Or better yet, they should write to the mayor of Toronto and tell him what's wrong instead of having their noses in the air like snobs.
Todd replying to a comment from Fantomex / April 2, 2011 at 10:59 am
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Hybrid buses? They were a complete disaster and the order was canceled after the first 130 lemons.

The U bahn and S bahn run 24 hours on weekends and holidays only. During the week they're replaced by night buses which mirror the routes from 1-5 am. The trams, metro trams and metro buses also run 24 hours as do the regional trains and buses.

I don't know what Berliners (or anyone else in Europe or Asia or...) would think about our third world transit and ridiculous 'ban everything' approach, I just know how I would feel if I were in their shoes. Yours is the typically Canadian reaction these days - find a million excuses why we CAN'T do something then get all smug and defensive when it's pointed out what CAN and IS being done in other countries. No wonder that nothing ever gets done.

Tell people with better transit not to come here? Brilliant strategy! I hope that Cleveland, Buffalo and Detroit can fill the tourist void.. until they too have better transit than we do.
Fantomex replying to a comment from Todd / April 2, 2011 at 11:41 am
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If 'Berliners' (I though that the term was not the correct way to describe a citizen of Berlin) feel so slighted and insulted by transit in Toronto, then they should not come here indeed. I've never heard of (and being on the Skyscraper City boards I've never heard foreign visitors or about to visit foreign visitors) get in a knot about how transit is in Toronto; they either carry a map, or the ask for directions and go about their business; they sure as hell aren't rude about what a city has or doesn't have compared to what they have back home (it would be like me complaining because the place that I'm visiting doesn't have fast Internet service or a decent subway system [and I was in L.A. when they didn't back in 1983-I managed to get around fine as did the rest of my family.])

Gracious guests do not insult the host's lacking qualities, but try to make the best of what is there. Besides, we have had prominent and non-prominent people come to visit, and the usually enjoy themselves here (some visiting more than once) and they've always praised Toronto highly. As for what the three U.S. cities have in terms of transit; they probably don't have to put up with silly people who vote for dumb-asses like Rob Ford or the dumb-asses at Queen's Park, or with people who probably really don't vote like they're supposed to but can yet whine their heads off as if they do.
the lemur replying to a comment from Fantomex / April 2, 2011 at 12:16 pm
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Berliners is indeed the correct term; it's coincidentally also a term in the rest of Germany for a kind of baked good which the Berliners themselves don't feel the need to call by that name.

The sad thing about fare media and payment systems here is that the TTC has probably known about better solutions for years but preferred to wait forever until something became cheaper or better, when technology simply become obsolete or unfeasible over time instead. Thus they justify doing nothing.

Visitors probably think our transit system is quaint, especially if theirs did away with tokens years ago.
Todd / April 2, 2011 at 12:39 pm
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Are you dense? Nobody here has said anything to me about Toronto or the TTC nor are they likely to. I've only met 2 people who have been to Canada and they went skiing in Banff.

The point I'm trying make is that I would be embarrassed if anyone I've met here were to come over and ride around on our dilapidated transit system. I would go so far as to avoid taking them anywhere near a subway station (not difficult considering there are only 2.5 lines). I'm sure they wouldn't say it but they couldn't help but think "Wow, what a filthy, decrepit piece of shit".

It's time to get off the pot and do something before we fall even further behind and contemplating an eating ban
accomplishes nothing.
Khyron / April 2, 2011 at 04:09 pm
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Our 'filth' isn't even as half as bad as what's seen in New York (and I'm not talking about the trains, but the stations!) A few places look <i>slightly</i> cracked up, and you call <i>that</i> 'filth'? Ha ha. Not that they shouldn't be fixed up, but still, it's somewhat of a exaggeration on your part. Faults and all, I'd still stack our subway system against anybody else's considering what we've been through with the defunding by both Harris and McGuinty. As for the 24-7/265 system you want, we'd have to have not only automated subway cars, <i>but</i> automated SRT's (streetcars) and LRT's (that would run during the late nights and early mornings), and I don't really trust people in this city not to act like asses on board both street and surface rail without more transit cops, over and <i>under</i>cover, on board all vehicles. If that's another excuse, at least it's a good one.
Hey Toronto / April 2, 2011 at 04:47 pm
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I fart on the subway all the time. Are you gonna ban me?
Bill / June 29, 2011 at 08:37 am
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Why ban food on the TTC. I guess if you're new to T.O. you might be forgiven but if you're one of the many socially inept-stuffing your face in front of others it's considered extremely RUDE !!
the lemur replying to a comment from Bill / June 29, 2011 at 09:21 am
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'It's considered' is a weaselly way of saying <b>you</b> think it's rude but you'd rather generalize from your specific dislike to a vague, undefined bunch of disapprovers.

There's nothing wrong with eating on the TTC (which is why there is no regulation or law against it) as long as it's not overly messy and doesn't inconvenience other riders in terms of space. Be thankful that we're allowed to make that kind of decision for ourselves.

And personally, I can't wait for those new subway cars with the tray tables and the meal service on the longer stretches.
gordon / October 24, 2011 at 09:24 pm
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i will continue eating on the subway. all of you that dispise it, who gives a shit. its a fucking free country.
Tom Shen / February 20, 2014 at 08:30 pm
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Allowing passengers to eat food while at the platform or waiting at the station is fine, but definitely not in the train or in the bus.

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