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Is BIXI on the brink?

Posted by Derek Flack / September 22, 2010

BIXI TorontoThe question of whether or not the BIXI bike-sharing program will come to Toronto looks like it's going to come down to the wire. With the city council-imposed November 30 deadline to reach 1000 subscriptions just over two months away, the program has around 600 subscribers.

Given that the BIXI launch party took place on July 28, that number should indicate a subscription pace that'll meet the required number. But, unfortunately, that's by no means a sure bet. On the one hand, it'll be difficult to reproduce the surge of subscribers that signed up when the the program was launched, though some fence-sitters may take the plunge as the deadline becomes imminent. And on the other, I fear the coming cold weather may numb public interest levels.

Perhaps most problematic of all is that one gets the sense that many think BIXI is a done deal. As the event description for tonight's meeting to help promote the program at the Centre for Social Innovation reads, "right now almost 3 times as many people are Facebook fans of BIXI Toronto than are subscribed."

There are a plethora of possible reasons for this differential between subscribers and "fans." Some, for instance, love the idea of BIXI, but are already hardcore commuters who don't feel they'd benefit from the program. While they want to support BIXI, they don't feel it makes sense to do so financially given their riding habits. But, it's a distinct possibility that a key factor in imbalance between vocal or written "support" and actual subscriptions comes down to a misunderstanding that Toronto has already secured the program.

Although anecdotal, I've heard numerous people make statements to this effect over the last two months. And though BIXI has had a number of pop-up demonstrations to drum up support - which have admittedly been modestly successful - I get the sense that a more dramatic campaign might be necessary to ensure that those even vaguely interested in the program understand that without the requisite number of subscribers, BIXI Toronto just won't materialize.

So, please forgive the alarmist headline - but I think BIXI would be great for Toronto, and I'd rather suggest that the program is in danger than applaud the organizers' efforts to this point, as admirable as they may have been securing sponsorship funds and the 600 or so current subscribers. With two months of cooler temperatures to come, some urgency seems to be in order.

Update (4:00 p.m.)

Biking Toronto has stats on BIXI subscriptions rates, which would put the total at 924 on November 30, 2010. Check their post out here.

Photo by Annia V.

Discussion

56 Comments

mikeyhass / September 22, 2010 at 10:35 am
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i think that the website where you register should have a counter. i signed up the first day but have had no sense of where the subscriptions were. also, i have considered cancelling my subscription as the first phase zone doesnt cover anywhere that i would need to get around. i live and work west of spadina.
Jimmy / September 22, 2010 at 10:35 am
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What dumbas*es are running the BIXI start up?
Where are the ads?
ING Direct is a major BIXI sponsor?
Maybe someone could get their head out of their as$ and get ING's ad agency (GWP) to make some ads for them.

Joe / September 22, 2010 at 10:44 am
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I would sign up in a heartbeat. The problem is that I live in little italy and work in the distillery. The initial service area does not cover these areas so what advantage is there to me signing up? there isn't any at this point! Good Luck Bixi!
Regina / September 22, 2010 at 10:45 am
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I'm with mikey, can't use the things because of zone.
Arti / September 22, 2010 at 11:02 am
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I am confident that in the 2 months remaining up to this deadline, the people of Toronto interested in the Bixi Bike system will sign up. We got 600, we can get 400 if this is what the people of Toronto want.

I also think the service area will expand eventually, it must as it would increase subscriptions. However, I can see how weird it is to expect 1000 subscribers across a limited service area, such that people in these areas already own a metropass or own their own bike.
Ingrid / September 22, 2010 at 11:08 am
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I agree about the location issue. The only reason I won't sign up for Bixi is that it doesn't service any of the areas I frequent. It has such a narrow north-south area focus that, in my opinion, really doesn't represent those people who would sign up. I'm thinking an east-west grid would have been better, along the downtown corridor from Dufferin to the Distillery, perhaps. That embraces the urban, bike-friendly folks who work and live and play in those areas. I cannot see a groundswell of support from the Bay Street condo corridor - some, but not enough to prop it up.

It's telling that they launched at the Gladstone. That, not the Financial District, is their home base.
Holden / September 22, 2010 at 11:11 am
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Ditto above. Makes no sense for me to sign up given the current boundaries. It's a catch-22. They can't expand unless they get sufficient numbers of subscribers but they can't get the subscribers unless they expand.
mikeyhass / September 22, 2010 at 11:11 am
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i find it funny that the launch event was held at the drake and its not even in the zone. target the queen west bike community and then not even include it in the zone. fail
Tony / September 22, 2010 at 11:17 am
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I've signed up the 2nd day I heard of it from TV. Although I live in the suburb area of Markham/Scarborough, and I only visit Downtown maybe once a month, I really felt the urgent need of such service in Toronto. Most people argue they could get a bike for a little over $100, but if you consider extra like locks and lights, as well as the time/money you need to spend on maintaining a bike. I think it's well worth it.

However, I would love to see TTC get involved in the Bixi program, because it could probably attract more cyclists to use public transit, and in the same time more TTC riders to hop on a bike.
The Shakes / September 22, 2010 at 11:23 am
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I really wish them the best of luck. I think the idea is great, but the executioin is all wrong. Who is the idiot who did the pricing analysis?

Why would anyone pay BIXI an annual fee of $95, when Autoshare's annual fee is $39 or less. And even if you didn't have a license, at $95/ year there is no incentive to be a long term member, you can buy a better bicycle after 3 years of subscription.

So say you do the $5 per use, if you want to just do infrequent short trips, the TTC is cheaper and you can ride TTC all day for a token, BIXI's price continues to increase by the hour.
Bubba / September 22, 2010 at 11:24 am
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It doesn't help that it only serves people south of Bloor and within the Spadina and Jarvis area. It's cheaper right now just to buy an old beater on Craigslist and you can take that anywhere you want.
tdotlib / September 22, 2010 at 11:27 am
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I didn't even look in to it knowing that I was not anywhere near the initial zone offering. Now that I have looked at it, for the amount of use that I could foresee, ZipCar is actually more economical for me personally.
Gord Martin / September 22, 2010 at 11:28 am
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Great idea, but ...
$95 upfront for a very limited zone coverage. The Paris program is half that for a 1 year enrolment and the bikes are absolutely everywhere.
Daily use there is E1, about $1.35. Toronto is going to charge $5. for a daily use.

Not exactly making it the "slam-dunk" it should be.
Geoff / September 22, 2010 at 11:31 am
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The limited initial service area is the Achilles heel of the Bixi program. I sincerely hope they reach 1000 but as I live outside the service area it's of little value. Similar I imagine for many within the service area as the entire zone is within short walking distance of a major line subway station. Our weak city council is clearly to blame here but per Jimmy's point above: Bixi should be ratcheting up the ad campaign!

More info sharing needed on the Bixi site (plans for service area rollout??), presence at city/community events, online/viral marketing campaigns. Where are the witty youtube videos? You've got ING now so kick it up a notch!
bixihopeful / September 22, 2010 at 11:41 am
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Limited areas of usefulness will kill BIXI, absolutely.

They don't have a chance, because it's almost totally useless. I really wish they could expand. Zipcar and Autoshare thrive because they service the entire city, not just distances that are already walkable and/or served by transit.

I really like BIXI in Montreal and the Paris equivalent, and I'm hoping to see a made-in-Toronto bike sharing service in the near future.
Milansky / September 22, 2010 at 11:43 am
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Yes, in Montreal you can't even sneeze without stumbling over a BIXI station; their coverage is so dense, almost every other street corner has one.

I'd love to sign up, but haven't even seen a BIXI docking station anywhere... I live west of Spadina so the current service area doesn't really make it feasible for me to get a membership...

Shame this is an excellent program; hope Toronto doesn't fumble with the ball on this one.

Alex / September 22, 2010 at 11:56 am
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I think you make the classic mistake of thinking that hitting "like" on a Facebook fan page has any real meaning.

A 3-1 ratio of fans to subscribers is actually pretty poor given the extremely low bar to hit "like" on something.
Karl Bonar / September 22, 2010 at 11:59 am
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Dead right on the above. I read about the launch ages ago and only said to a mate the other day that I was surprised not to see the bikes around. I was sure it was a done deal!

I think it would be a great service and from my experience of being a tourist in Paris, Dublin & Montreal it is the greatest way of getting around when you get to a place.

Sadly, I have a bike already and use it to get most places in the city. I can't imagine subscribing to this service but in saying that, maybe the focus should be more on the tourist influx to Toronto. It is a very cycleable city and the introduction of this service could only be a benefit.

Hopefully this happens!
Anfernee / September 22, 2010 at 11:59 am
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@Joe I think you, and others who agree with you, need to be more forward thinking. I don't live inside the launch area either but I purchased a membership to support the launch. With enough support and once the program launches, increased demand will see the stations move outward and across the city. Montreal was a great example of this, and the program is so popular that there are new stations popping up frequently.

BIXI can only be good for Toronto. Any biker/environmentalist/health nut who doesn't see this is lacking vision. More bikes = more/improved lanes/infrastructure.

In the interim, purchase the membership and give it to a friend who lives in the area, or gift it to someone. This project relies on a strong community behind it. Btw, if the program doesn't launch you get your money refunded. What is there to lose?

I agree with other comments that a more visible campaign needs to be present if this thing is going to work. I'm surprised that the BIXI folks aren't partnering with more orgs to make this happen and spread the word. Only 400 more to go, we can do this Toronto!
Benjamin Goldstein / September 22, 2010 at 12:04 pm
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I already own a bike and I live outside of the service area.

Nonetheless, I will sign up for Bixi before November 30 because I want to see this program happen. A sacrifice for the greater good I suppose. Hopefully from its modest beginnings it will grow into something great.

We can sit and complain about the program (a program badly needed in this city) or help it get off its feet. From the success of the Montreal program it is easy to see that Bixi will invest in expansion if it has support.To build an entire Bixi network over the whole of Old Toronto in one fell swoop is quite the project, so we must be patient. Good things come to those who wait.

I will probably not use Bixi often, but I am sure it will get enough use from my friends when they visit me.
swellman / September 22, 2010 at 12:33 pm
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I think the killer right now is that few people want to pay the $100 up front for a service that may or may not launch in May of next year. It would have made much more sense for a deposit of $20 or something. I don't mind carrying a $20 balance into next year but $100? Not so much.

Plus, as others have pointed out there hasn't been much advertising. Even if they don't want to or can't install the stations ahead of time installing a flag or sign where the potential stations will be would certainly be noticed by locals and therefore get more subscribers.

Either way, I hope it does launch. I live in the zone and would certainly use it.
Dan / September 22, 2010 at 12:44 pm
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Does everyone here really think the service areas for Montreal and Paris were as large as they are today when Bixi and Velib first launched there? Sure the initial area in Toronto isn't as big as we'd all like, but I guarantee you Bixi will never get off the ground in the first place unless we actually support it! If there's interest, they can expand the service area - which is EXACTLY what happened in Montreal when Bixi first launched.

Let's stop thinking only "how can I benefit from Bixi", but how the City can!
gadfly / September 22, 2010 at 12:48 pm
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Benjamin is bang on with his assessment, folks. If you free-loaders expect this to happen and demand the same 'rights' and access to roadways as motorists, then you had better start putting your wallet where your mouth is. Bitching and whining that the service doesn't benefit 'me-me-me' is going to kill this program - again.
But then that's what all these socialist programs are about: letting other people pay for it or do the heavy lifting, then showing up once its all done.
simuls / September 22, 2010 at 12:58 pm
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I think some people are misunderstanding what Bixi is. It is not a bike-share program for recreational use (although, if you want to pay extra, you can certainly do that). It is an alternate form of public transportation, from point A to point B - ala the TTC or taxi. Considering it's easy enough, in 30 minutes, to bike from the DVP to Dufferin, the scope could be huge and inexpensive.

Which brings me to the problem most people are expressing - limited area coverage. I had a great talk with the guy who's in charge of Bixi and expressed to him this problem. I live downtown, but the service area is so small, that it's pretty much useless to me. This is what he said (paraphrased),

I agree. It is small. But the councillors didn't think Toronto wanted or needed this, so we were forced to accept this 1000 membership threshold in order to prove the desire. If you believe in the idea of Bixi, please sign up for a membership before Nov. 30. If we can get the numbers, we will work as hard as possible to expand the service area BEFORE LAUNCH next spring. If we haven't expanded it to the area you need, then you can cancel before the launch and your money will be completely refunded.

This made sense to me, so I signed up for a membership to help them reach the threshold and get the go ahead as it's really at zero cost to me if they don't expand.

I would encourage anyone who wants a nice big public bike transport infrastructure to do the same and make the leap of faith. If they don't follow through, it costs you nothing. If they do, we have a great new way to get around the city!!
Geoff replying to a comment from gadfly / September 22, 2010 at 01:22 pm
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Oh pesky Gadfly - your confrontational approach is endearing. Socialist programs? "Bitching and whining" for the lack of early stage scale, program value, and communication? Despite your provocation, you're missing the mark. The program challenges exist due to a short sighted city council (forcing the chicken-or-the-egg scenario on us) - not an individual 'freeloader' mentality.

Only those that benefit from the program now or within the future rollout plans (what are the plans?) should be expected to provide financial support. Kudos to those who can afford the $100 to support Bixi now.. but for the others, Benjamin was right - good things will come to those who wait. In the meantime we must spread the word and encourage others that stand to immediately benefit to sign up now (and Bixi: step up the campaign). Corporate sponsors and the people within the service area should be financing it at this stage - nobody should be vilified for waiting to see how they will benefit before investing - that's not socialism, it's capitalism.
Geoff replying to a comment from simuls / September 22, 2010 at 01:33 pm
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Thanks Simuls! - wow I didn't realize they planned to increase the area by Spring.. or that you could cancel if the service area didn't meet your needs prior to launch. That absolutely changes things... And it reinforces the need for Bixi to improve their messaging and campaign.
iwdrut / September 22, 2010 at 01:48 pm
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good article...

I agree a few comments that bixi needs better advertising. I've only ONCE seen a bixie station trying to sell the idea. They need to do MORE of this!! what about ads on the Subway>>> Bixi is an extension of the public transit.. so anyone who takes the subway or public transit will likely benefit from it at some point.

Apparently, Bixi is having a party in October for all current subscribers (with free booze and food), asking each person to bring a friend to sign up... I;m guessing this will get a couple hundred new subsrcibers.

Spread the word, people... and sign up if you haven;t already done so!
JS / September 22, 2010 at 02:04 pm
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I have two bikes, a beater and a fixed gear that is as light as a feather that I absolutely love. I live in Bloordale and bike along Bloor st very often. The initial Bixie network will not benefit me at all. I am still going to support and buy a membership because I want to see this program succeed. It would be such a shame if it didn't launch and politicians could use the inability to launch as ammo against additional bike lanes. Sometimes you have to suck it up and support. This is my plan and I hope that Bixie makes their quota!
Rob Ford / September 22, 2010 at 02:08 pm
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Something about the war on cars.
Reality Check / September 22, 2010 at 02:29 pm
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This is just another council screw up of a great idea. Everyone knew that A La Cart was a great idea and horribly botched form the start (well except for council) and this is the same.

NOBODY NEEDS A BIKE TO GET FROM SPADINA TO JARVIS.
Especially not some rental system.

They are starting the trial program in a box that's pretty much walkable, except on the diagonal. Plus they're running events at key target locations that won't even be in the service area? Only in Toronto.

As noted above, the service is also stupidly expensive if you're trying to establish a customer base amongst city residents. $5 is nothing if you're on holiday, but $5 everyday, in a tiny box, is just ridiculous.

This is one way to really improve the experience of the city, transit in the city, environment, etc and they are f-cking it up. And I'm someone who thinks Rob Ford is too left wing.

But hopefully some of you realize where the rage against the city comes from. Even with brilliant ideas that basically everyone agrees with - outside a few special interests - the city can't execute. They couldn't lead a piss up in a brewery, couldn't get laid in a whorehouse, they'd die of thirst in a rainstorm... These are the bureaucrats and politicians that drove the aphorism that if you put the government in charge of the Sahara, within 2 years there'd be shortage of sand.

As to the people saying support it despite it being completely bloody useless - if you run a start up, you set up your test run in the ideal market. Which would be, of course, Gladstone to Cherry, the Lake to College, being sure to exclude Regent Park/Cabbagetown (since you don't want all of the bikes destroyed). Seems like there are some saboteurs in the project, just as there were with a la cart.
CandyVag replying to a comment from gadfly / September 22, 2010 at 02:33 pm
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@Gadfly, have you EVER posted a comment on BlogTO that DIDN'T include some insult about Socialism?
Chris Boutet / September 22, 2010 at 03:54 pm
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Couldn't agree more with the tenor of this comment thread — the downtown-only coverage zone is a major stumbling block in Bixi getting to 1,000 subscribers.

I'm guessing that Bixi was rolled out in the one area with the highest concentration of subway stations because we're supposed to use it as an alternative to public transit (right?). But Bixi makes far more sense as an *extension* of public transit — a way of getting to the subway and/or cutting unreliable streetcars out one's commute entirely.

The real market for Bixi, as some have mentioned above, is in the communities AROUND downtown: the Annex, Queen West, Liberty Village, the Junction, the Distillery. It's a shame that the rollout plan couldn't have included satellite Bixi stalls in these areas with lockups at key subway stations.

I live on Harbord and Bathurst and would have loved to use Bixi. But not to go to/get around downtown. That's what I pay $120 for a Metropass for.

I've been a huge fan of Bixi ever since I was introduced to it in Montreal this year, and I wish them the best of luck implementing here. But I can't justify the subscription.
traveller / September 22, 2010 at 04:07 pm
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I'm a downtown bike rider and BIXI is a great program. The issue is not BIXI-it's Toronto. Compared to Melbourne, Montreal, Paris and London, Toronto BIXI is overpriced, underserviced, not advertised, and timid as scared child. All round backwoods amateur. Typical Toronto.
gadfly replying to a comment from CandyVag / September 22, 2010 at 09:01 pm
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Sorry if I've offended your sensibilities, but I am sick and tired of having others figure out how to spend my money. Why do you think Rob Ford is headed for a landslide? And this is coming from a gay, downtown living former "I-always-voted-Liberal" professional!
Newsflash, kiddies: we have seen this all before. What I find particularly astonishing is the number of old, white geezers that I see huffing to work on their bikes.. I mean - buddy, your in your late fifties and you can't afford a car?
[Ducks after typing that one]
But, seriously, if you folks want these social programs (which is what ALL bicycle support programs are since cyclists don't pay a dime into the system that they use - and don't let's go through that "I pay property taxes" BS), then you'd better step up and pay up.
For once, Council did something smart. Let you lazy socialists prove their is a demand for this system before Council puts other people's money behind it - again.
bob / September 22, 2010 at 11:01 pm
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I love Bixi, but with a small zone and a high price, I am very reluctant to sign up.

I WOULD use the pay-per-use option, though.
jamesmallon replying to a comment from gadfly / September 23, 2010 at 04:26 am
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Gadfly, do your research: drivers do not pay their way through property taxes and licensing. Never have. Roads are subsidized through other taxes, including people who don't drive and put much less wear on the roads using transit, feet or bikes.
jamesmallon replying to a comment from gadfly / September 23, 2010 at 04:28 am
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What right do have to scorn someone for what they can or cannot afford? What do you know about what has happened to them in their life, esp. in a city including refugees. Jerk-off. I also bet that fifty-year old walking is thinner than you.
gadfly replying to a comment from jamesmallon / September 23, 2010 at 07:52 am
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LOL! The bleeding heart Star just did an expose and the Province collects $2.6Billion in gasoline taxes, puts back $2B into the roads themselves. Look it up, buddy. From Toronto's own $9.1Billion black hole, $300 million go into roads and $1.4B into the TTC. These are actual black & white numbers you can google within moments. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH.
Besides, it's not just cars (those nasty 905 commuters who are invading OUR turf!) that use the roads. The TTC uses them, as do thousands upons thousands of trucks. Ban those nasty cars and the roads simply cannot evaporate.

@ James - not that I have to justify myself to you, but I'll meet you at the treadmill at Good Life on Bloor so we can look at the Bloor street debacle together anytime. See which one of us starts wheezing first! LMAO

Don't make assumptions about people who have different opinions than yourself. I just wonder why so many self-hating white folks are darned determined to destroy this city, is all. From where I sit (on Church St., waiting in traffic now, thanks to the Jarvis bike lanes!) most of the cyclists are my age and white. Wonder what is up with that!
The Shakes replying to a comment from gadfly / September 23, 2010 at 08:21 am
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And this i s precisely why Toronto needs highway tolls to get 905'ers paying for their share of wear and tear on our infrastructure.
secyw / September 23, 2010 at 10:24 am
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I saw this in Paris a few months ago; and thought it'll be excellent for TO to have it.
Natalie DeVille / September 23, 2010 at 10:27 am
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Bixi is an amazing program - I've visited cities world wide where their bike share programs are madly popular.
It's just a shame that Toronto is being so cowardly in executing a half-assed Bixi with limited area AND then expecting 1000 people to lay down money in ADVANCE?
It's almost as if it's been set up to fail.
Honestly don't these councilors know that this program will encourage tourism, environmental commuting, reduce wear and tear on roads etc. etc.
I will go and subscribe today (even though we should not have to prove this in advance). I refuse to let this great opportunity pass.
Samuel J / September 23, 2010 at 12:51 pm
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I don't live or work in the service zone, I own and maintain my own bike (that cost less than the BIXI fee), and I don't make a lot of $$$, but I'm definitely buying a BIXI subscription. I figure in 12 months it'll save me a few cab rides and TTC trips, and make it easier to get around events like Nuit Blanche, TIFF and Pride. It'll definitely improve the TO streetscape--MTL's stations look great, and the made-in-Canada bikes are sweet, better than Paris'...I can't wait to see the Toronto girls riding them next Spring. My family/friends will use it when they visit. And Igor can't steal them. Not all of them.
Herb replying to a comment from The Shakes / September 23, 2010 at 07:58 pm
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This is still by far the cheapest transportation mode (other than walking). With just the $95 per year you can ride for free any day. There is no daily cost on top of that and there is no hourly fee so long as you keep the trip within half an hour. People can easily go 5-10 km in a half hour so most people will find their per trip costs are really low - much lower -and more direct- than taking the TTC, taxi or car.
Herb replying to a comment from simuls / September 23, 2010 at 08:21 pm
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Service area too small? Thanks for your comment Simuls. That's what I've been told too - BIXI will work hard to expand it as soon as possible:

>I agree. It is small. But the councillors didn't think Toronto wanted or needed this, so we were forced to accept this 1000 membership threshold in order to prove the desire. If you believe in the idea of Bixi, please sign up for a membership before Nov. 30. If we can get the numbers, we will work as hard as possible to expand the service area BEFORE LAUNCH next spring. If we haven't expanded it to the area you need, then you can cancel before the launch and your money will be completely refunded.

>This made sense to me, so I signed up for a membership to help them reach the threshold and get the go ahead as it's really at zero cost to me if they don't expand.

>I would encourage anyone who wants a nice big public bike transport infrastructure to do the same and make the leap of faith. If they don't follow through, it costs you nothing. If they do, we have a great new way to get around the city!!

The system had to start somewhere - BIXI chose the densest part of the city - lots of people live and work in that area.

Just to reiterate - the system hasn't started yet. It won't start until next Spring and it will only happen if 1000 people sign up! (toronto.bixi.com). Pass it on.
Reality Check / September 23, 2010 at 09:25 pm
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The problem with Bixi is that it doesn't cover downtown. The target market for it is the W King W, W Queen W, Distillery District, and Corktown crowd. People who are urban and close to the core who would appreciate something faster than walking/taking the streetcar. Sure the plan covers Harbourfront and Yorkville, but those areas are so central that they don't need bikes, except to get between the 2 nodes and then the subway is fairly ideal. Hell it's basically only covering Harbour Square, Pinnacle, and Maple Leaf Square, not even including Cityplace or the rest of the condos along the lake.

Someone in City Hall REALLY hates Bixi as this is just a plan for failure. Intentionally excising huge local natural demand centers and destinations while overlapping on areas where the typical trip is a less than 8 minute walk and impeccably served by subway, cab, streetcar, GO, VIA, and highway. The dead hand of a la cart strikes again.

The Shakes replying to a comment from Herb / September 23, 2010 at 10:20 pm
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Sure $95 let's you ride for half an hour any day of the year, but no one is seriously going to use it when it's raining, snowing, too cold or too hot. In Toronto that means half a year at most. I could see a few people who might live and work downtown, foregoing a metropass during May-Sept, but otherwise BIXI pricing plans really don't appeal to a very broad segment of users. A more regular biker is just going to spend a bit more and buy their own bike. A less regular biker will probably not be able to justify paying $95 for a few rides per year.

I hope there are enough people who do meet the BIXI target and sign up, but i also hope that more pricing plans become available.
egger / September 24, 2010 at 10:26 am
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If you can float $100 for one year, and you support the idea, you should definitely sign up even if you never intend to use the service until they improve. It is a zero risk sign of support, and if they have not expanded by May (or even if they have, and you are still not satisfied) you get your money back:

https://profile.toronto.bixi.com/member

"You may terminate the agreement between you and PBSC in accordance with the Agreement prior to the Goals being met or May 1, 2011. In the event of such termination, PBSC shall refund your subscription fee to the credit card it was originally charged to."
Why so expensive? / September 24, 2010 at 07:13 pm
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I think this is an absolutely great idea! it is a proven successful concept and has been a breakthrough for biking in several European cities. Even if the stations do not cover all the areas initially these will increase in number as people become aware of and use the system.

But $95/yr, why so expensive??? In Paris it costs €29/yr (approx. $40 including taxes)- the first 30 minutes are always free and after that you pay €0.5 per each additional 30 min. €1 for 1 day and €5 for 7 days. In Luxembourg you pay as little as €15/yr and in Milan €36/yr, €6/week and €2.5/day... and these are just a few examples. Surely Toronto must be able to match these rates?!?!?

I really really hope the system will happen because somehow we need to make it easier for people in Toronto (residents AND tourists) to get around in the city without a car! in order to make it an attractive city to live in, on the long term....
Antony replying to a comment from gadfly / September 24, 2010 at 08:13 pm
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Uh gadfly you have no idea what you are talking about. The province maintains 400-series highways with our gasoline tax money.

That has nothing to do with bicycles in Toronto. All Toronto streets are maintained from City revenue aka property taxes.

So stop it with the "cyclists don't pay for the roads" bullshit. It's tired.
dsd replying to a comment from Why so expensive? / September 25, 2010 at 12:01 am
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the 30 minutes free is also happening in Toronto
gadfly replying to a comment from Antony / September 25, 2010 at 08:30 am
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It does not matter WHERE our boneheaded governments (all levels) decide to spend OUR money, but the fact is motorists pay their fair share of the system, cyclists do not. THAT IS AN UGLY FACT, whether the monies collected actually goes into the roads or not is beyond our control.
Look up the budgets yourself. The fabrications, BS and exaggerations are tired - you are right. Where is all the money gone from the former street parking on Jarvis, for example? The cyclists who do actually have jobs pay into the system, but they do not pay anything extra.
FACT: gasoline taxes make up about 50% of what a motorist puts in their tank. Where does the money go? Into the rest of your favorite social programs, I would surmise.
FACT: the average new car costs about $20k. That's another $2,600 in combined taxes into the sink holes in Queen's Park and Ottawa. What do they do with that money? Who knows.
I pay $134 in license fees every year. What do you pay for your bicycle? Oh, that's right - NOTHING.
A good portion of my car insurance goes into the fund that pays for accidents involving skanks (like cyclists) that cause accidents who have no insurance.
The city makes over $45million in net PROFIT on their municipal parking lots. Where will that money come from if the psycle lobby gets their way? Ditto for parking tickets.

Buddy, you need a lesson in Economics 101, real quick. The TTC is a sinkhole and cyclists pay ZIP.

The facts are there for the asking, it's the spin on them that is a joke.
Chris replying to a comment from gadfly / September 25, 2010 at 01:41 pm
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I guess you wouldn't mind turnstiles on the roadways so that everybody pays their fare share? You talk alot about what you pay in taxes but you don't talk alot about how much of my tax money goes towards roadways. I don't bike or drive, I want my money back.
sam12 / September 27, 2010 at 01:48 pm
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BIXI is a good idea to most in theory, it works in some cities and not in others.

If the support isn't there it just isn't needed. If people don't subscribe then its not as needed as Bixi thinks. Maybe there just isn't that much demand for bike share inToronto? That's OK. I'm sure its like 1 in every 10 cities

Toronto is a city full of bikes and cyclists, we're already riding bikes here, and you can go onto craigslist Toronto any day of the week and get your own bike for under $100.
Regina replying to a comment from gadfly / September 27, 2010 at 02:38 pm
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If cycling is such a money saver, why don't you listen to yourself and ride one?

(fact: question is rhetorical)
Coca Sunta / September 29, 2010 at 10:57 am
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Please put a counter and pie chart on the Bixi Toronto website.
Give people visual motivation

Also put a page visitor web counter on the page. Not everyone can afford $100 to sign up for a not-yet-built program. But 1000s of us want it and have visited the site in anticipation of the great program.
thanks.
tdilla replying to a comment from gadfly / October 13, 2010 at 05:10 pm
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cool story, bro.

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