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Do we really need to protect an encumbered view of Queen's Park?

Posted by Matthew Harris / April 3, 2010

Queen's Park PostcardIt's one of the most iconic views of Toronto: when you travel north on University Avenue, you have an unencumbered view of Queen's Park. This view of the legislature is shown over and over on news stories about the provincial government, and had been featured on postcards of the city for hundreds of years. But if some Ontario government officials are correct, it could be in danger.

Queen's Park View CorridorLooking at Queen's Park from anywhere along University Avenue except College Street, you can see the original Four Seasons Hotel tower poking up. Heritage advocates say that these buildings "compromise" the view of the Ontario legislature. But they are even more concerned about a proposal to tear down the 31-storey Four Seasons Hotel. In its place, the developer proposes building a 40-storey building.

Catherine Nasmith, in a Built Heritage News editorial, claims that "this is a matter that concerns everyone in Ontario. In fact, the dignity of our government buildings is a matter of concern to every Canadian." She also argues that the city has a poor record of protecting historic view corridors, and that this is a matter that the provincial government needs to get involved in.

New City Hall's Protected ViewsBy my estimation, Nasmith is correct: Toronto has not been very good at protecting its view corridors. In the 1970s, the city was a leader in developing view protection. George Baird wrote a comprehensive proposal in 1974 covering all of the city's view corridors. However, these concerns were gradually side-lined so much that by the 2006 Official Plan, they were only guidelines. Except for some particular cases, such as protecting the views of New City Hall, the city is not fighting for this.

King's College Circle view of University College in TorontoA perfect example of a compromised view corridor is University College. If you've walked along King's College Circle lately, you can see that the condo One Bedford is starting to poke up from the side of University College. The city has produced a map that suggests that this view corridor should have been protected. But this issue was not brought up when the condo's proposal was being reviewed at city council.

Some would argue that this is the way it should be. After all, the Four Seasons already pokes up out of Queen's Park. Toronto is a city of contrasts and unexpected views. No one planned the view of the Gooderham Building on Front Street with the TD Canada Trust Tower behind it, but it is now featured on Toronto's postcards. And the rising Shangri-La tower on University will provide a new view terminus for people heading south on the street.

Compromised view corridor of Toronto's Old City Hall from Bay StreetNevertheless, this is a matter of urgent concern for many people. The Speaker of the Ontario Legislature Steve Peters is involved, as is the MPP for the area, Glen Murray. A revised proposal for the tower has been taken to the Onatrio Municpal Board (OMB) where hearings began on March 22nd. But even if the OMB approves the tower, the province potentially has the power to override the OMB's decision.

Whatever the outcome, this discussion is an occasion to reconsider our city's lack of focus on view corridors. Should we be working harder to preserve them, as they do in Vancouver? Or is everything fine as it is?

Discussion

17 Comments

Darcy McGee / April 3, 2010 at 10:37 am
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Yes, we do.
GI Poo / April 3, 2010 at 11:34 am
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I think what's in front of a building is more important than what's behind it. Like the Gooderham building, the view to the building is fantastic, and the buildings behind are just a backdrop.

Look at Queen's Park today contrasted with the old postcard at the start of this post. You actually can't get a view of the building without power lines, utility poles, cars, roads, etc. in the way. Especally not as a pedestrian, until you get to the north side of college street.

the four seasons building doesn't prevent us from seeing Queen Park, and nobody will mistake it for some weird addition to the building.

Maybe this four seasons building will encourage people to actually get closer to Queen's Park. you won't see it if you're actually standing on the lawn.
robert / April 3, 2010 at 12:10 pm
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What's more important to you: a view or how the building relates to humans at streetlevel. We spend far too much time fighting over the heights of buildings, when we should be fighting over how buildings approach the street. At the basic level we are all pedestrians, and that environment needs more protection than a view.
Michael / April 3, 2010 at 12:39 pm
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Will someone please think of the postcards?!
mr hate / April 3, 2010 at 01:22 pm
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The answer is no, we do not.

Take a poll. I guarantee you the answer "I don't give a s. h*t" will get 80-90%.

There are so many other huger (real) issues in this city to devote energy to.
cocoa / April 3, 2010 at 02:32 pm
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I thought this would be about structures going up in <i>front</i> of Queen's Park too. The new Four Seasons will be encumbering the view of the sky behind Queen's Park.

I don't think it's realistic to preserve that view, it would limit the construction of any tall building for some distance north of the legislature, all in the name of giving it a clean profile. I don't think that's practical.

The aesthetic consequences aren't even that serious. Look at Old City Hall, sometimes the contrast makes an old building looks even more remarkable.

cocoa's comment got eaten again / April 3, 2010 at 02:34 pm
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I thought this would be about structures going up in <i>front</i> of Queen's Park too. The new Four Seasons will only be encumbering the view of the sky behind Queen's Park.

I don't think it's realistic to preserve that view, it would limit the construction of any tall building for some distance north of the legislature, all in the name of giving it a clean profile. I don't think that's practical.

The aesthetic consequences aren't even that serious. Look at Old City Hall, sometimes the contrast makes it looks even more remarkable.
John / April 3, 2010 at 08:57 pm
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I don't care at all. I think the city should take efforts to preserve view corridors IN FRONT of buildings (that is, I wouldn't want to see something blocking Queen's Park looking north up University).

But if some stuff is poking up behind it? Who cares? I certainly don't.

I'd like to see more energy devoted to ensuring architectural excellence in new construction.
Kay / April 3, 2010 at 09:53 pm
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it is a bit immature to hinder sustainable urban growth and density in the city due to newer developments happening to be in the backdrop.
Adam Sobolak replying to a comment from mr hate / April 3, 2010 at 10:04 pm
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"Take a poll. I guarantee you the answer "I don't give a s. h*t" will get 80-90%."

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Actually, neutrality or abstention shouldn't necessarily be construed as a direction-definng "I don't give a s. h*t". Indeed, if we were to go according to "I don't give a s. h*t", we might as well have no planning, zoning, heritage laws at all...
warmflash / April 4, 2010 at 03:39 am
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The Joint is so corrupt who cares? Whatever relevance it has as a house of democracy is long over. They can tear the place down for all it's worth at this point.

Or make it a condo.
Christy / April 4, 2010 at 03:58 am
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Yeah, I had to look at those photos a few times before I could find the "obstruction." Behind the buildings??

The Vancouver viewpoints, btw, are about the mountains. THAT makes sense. If there were some mountains behind Queen's Park, I would argue not to obstruct the view.
Richard S / April 4, 2010 at 10:19 am
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How about instead of focusing on what'll amount to 12 pixels on a background of a postcard, we focus on not running a record deficit and fucking up the Province with that dumbass McGuinty?
Kenny / April 4, 2010 at 10:45 am
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At least in print, you can always photoshop out any unwanted building anyway, which in turn is a swift kick in the ass to developers for ruining skylines.
bob / April 4, 2010 at 09:35 pm
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Vancouver isnt exactly the "prettiest" city in Canada...
titan / April 5, 2010 at 03:49 am
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The fact that politicians are wasting their time on this pedantic issue shows how fucked up the city is. Keep up the good work.
goose / September 15, 2010 at 01:31 pm
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I moved here from Vancouver 4 years ago having been born and raised there my whole life, and I can say without a doubt that Vancouver has absolutely zero interest in preserving a shred of its barely-there heritage. Buildings are torn down in the blink of an eye. Makes me sick. At least Toronto seems slightly more interested in its neat old buildings.

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