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Once Hyped as the Next Hot 'Hood, Corktown's Queen East Remains a Wasteland

Posted by Rick McGinnis / January 7, 2010

CorktownIt's been twelve years since Sean Duranovich took over Dominion on Queen, Corktown's only tavern, and the sum of its nightlife these days, and he remembers how the area's divey reputation left him literally afraid for his life. "I was scared walking to my car," he recalls. "Who's scared in Toronto walking to their car?"

The low-rent element might have left Corktown, but the streets are empty after dusk, and the main drags - King and Queen East - are still conspicuously bare. There are empty storefronts, and a startling paucity of retail, especially for a neighbourhood whose real estate turnover in the last few years saw it proclaimed a budding hot spot by the Toronto Star. In the meantime Ossington to the west and Riverside and Leslieville to the east have blossomed, but Corktown's streetscape remains stagnant.

No one can tell you how it got its name; one story claims it's because of local breweries and adjacent distilleries a century ago, another says that it was because the majority of its Irish inhabitants came from County Cork. Duranovich says that both stories are fiction - that it was always just the southern tip of Cabbagetown, severed by the construction of Regent Park after World War Two, and cut off on the south when the Richmond overpass to the Don Valley Parkway was built.

Whatever might be happening on the main streets, companies like Streetcar Developments are betting that there's still enough to draw homebuyers to its various Corktown properties, like the Queen City Vinegar Co. lofts it recently completed on River Street, and the trio of condo buildings they're building at King and Sumach.

Corktown neighbourhoodJason Garland is the VP of development and operations for Streetcar, and he agrees that Corktown had, for years, been "losing its identity - it seemed to be a quaint area that had a mix of different scales of buildings that seemed to be disconnected from certain areas." Whatever might have created retail-killing dead zones along King and Queen - from churches, schoolyards and parking lots to stretches of public housing and businesses like the talent and casting agencies that have storefronts but no street presence - Garland is hoping that Streetcar will do their bit to increase retail density.

"We spend an enormous amount of time with the community feeling out what sort of uses they'd like to see in the buildings, and I can tell you first hand that a large part of the population of Corktown is tired of going outside of their home base."

Bright Street between King East and Queen East in CorktownAnd those locals have money to spend, on houses at the very least. Local realtor Rebecca Laing describes the turnover on archetypical Corktown streets like Bright, Sumach and Wascana - tight rows of Victorian worker's townhomes with doors right on the street, tiny backyards and no parking. She tells me about a recent bidding war for a 2 bedroom on Wascana that listed for $439,000 and sold for $527, and a comparative deal on Mark near the Mercedes Benz dealership that went for $438,000 but needed a complete gutting. "Cute Victorian on the outside, but nothing going for it other than location; this is a house that needs everything."

Corktown Real EstateThere's an argument to be made that Corktown provides an exception to the rule that the health of a retail strip directly mirrors that of its adjacent residential streets. The stretches of King and Queen that pass through Corktown have always been rather low-key, with stretches of residential housing that have survived the decades, and no one will deny that Little Trinity Church, St. Paul's basilica and school and the long frontage of the Dominion Brewery building have created retail-free zones for a century or more. There are empty storefronts, to be sure, but you can find more in neighbourhoods like the Junction, which doesn't stop anyone from describing them as resurgent or even hot.

Still, there are signs that relief for Corktown's retail doldrums is on the horizon, with the redevelopment of Regent Park and the West Donlands, which might reconnect the area with the city. Tavern owner Sean Duranovich can even see the day when the parking lot next to the Dominion Brewery complex next to him will be turned into high rises "when Toronto runs out of space." Until then, he insists, the area can boast unique accessibility - if you're going somewhere else.

"You're not landlocked like College or Ossington - you want to go to Barrie, you've got the DVP. You want to go to Mississauga, you've got the Lakeshore. For access it's great."
Corktown Toronto

Discussion

46 Comments

Cobretti / January 7, 2010 at 10:05 am
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Uhh? Ossington is like two seconds from the Lakeshore.
scottd / January 7, 2010 at 10:10 am
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I think calling the area a "wasteland" is nice copy but a tad histrionic. Yes the are has not renewed as quickly as some thought but it remains an odd, quirky, and potential-filled area. Its not nice to call where other people people live names.
Brad J. / January 7, 2010 at 10:19 am
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I think Corktown is hot (excepting its retail scene), which is what the article is really addressing. There have been a number of quality merchants moving in (Magic Oven, Domino's, Subway, TD, Shopper's, 2x Savoury Grounds coffee shops, and King E restaurants Morning Glory/Gilead Cafe/Weezie's, Sherwin-Williams, arguably Upside Dive and Ecostem). Compare to the early 2000s when there really was nothing.

It isn't accurate to judge Corktown's retail just yet because the area has yet to undergo a population boom when Corktown District is complete. There are c.150 units in the first 3 buildings (figure 200+ people), and another 185 in the fourth building (250+ people). That's a lot of bodies in a small neighbourhood, and feet on the street is what makes retail happen. Occupancy starts April/10.

We're only talking about a few blocks here--Corktown is maybe 20% of the size of Leslieville. Omit a few scourges (Annie's!) and add a few places catering to the new crowd and the retail scene isn't looking so bad anymore.

Finally, longer term Regent Park to the north and River City/West Don Lands to the south will be built out, with thousands of new bodies added. Dundas E and Front E are not suited to be retail centres, and I would expect King E/Queen E to become more important as the area continues to change.

Love this hood. But I must acknowledge spending more time in Riverside/Leslieville across the river.

My opinion - "...remains a wasteland" is really inflammatory and inaccurate. The article does not really paint such a picture, only the byline.
a / January 7, 2010 at 10:25 am
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The Moses-esque <a href="http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&;ie=UTF8&ll=43.654712,-79.361737&spn=0.001972,0.006866&t=h&z=18">controlled-access stretches</a> of Richmond and Adelaide left a scar on Corktown that it may never truly recover from. Still, referring to a relatively dormant stretch of Queen East as a "wasteland" shows a distinct lack of familiarity with urban realities <i>anywhere else in the world</i>. Even a promo for Streetcar Developments doubling as a hyperlocal blog post needs perspective.
totalswan / January 7, 2010 at 10:37 am
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I always thought that cabbagetown was called such because of the Irish population that was there..they grew cabbages in their gardens...(cabbage was and is still, but less so, an irish staple)and that corktown was called such because most of the folks came from county cork in ireland...
Joe / January 7, 2010 at 10:43 am
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Come to eco|stems (an environmentally sustainable flower shop) at 267 Queen Street East and you'll see change is coming to this little piece of Queen Street. Maybe slower than most would like but it's coming!
Darcy K / January 7, 2010 at 10:51 am
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"Even a promo for Streetcar Developments doubling as a hyperlocal blog post needs perspective" -- well said, a on, that's the impression I got, too.
Jonathan / January 7, 2010 at 11:04 am
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Rick McGinnis remains a stain on BlogTo Neighbourhood reviews.
Alogon / January 7, 2010 at 11:27 am
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I think I can tell you how the area got its name. I believe that it derives from the cork factory that used to be in the area (Freyseng Cork Company - Queen and Sumach). The row houses along Queen were the worker's residences.
I think the Cork county and distillery stories are apocryphal
Brad / January 7, 2010 at 11:50 am
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There are three gallerys on the block just east of sherbourn, City Art, Goodwater and the new Butcher Gallery, that is a good sign.
nippleholic / January 7, 2010 at 12:02 pm
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I've lived on River Street my entire life and my father runs the Antique Asylum at Queen + Parliament, and I can honestly say that the neighborhood is improving immensely compared to 5-10 years ago. However, as long as places like Annies and (especially) the Good Sheppard continue to operate, a certain undesirable element (a large influx of homeless people, drug dealers/addicts, prostitutes, etc) will probably hamper full gentrification along Queen East for the foreseeable future.
Brad replying to a comment from nippleholic / January 7, 2010 at 12:05 pm
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Same with the Salvation army and Buffalo and the other bar at Queen and Sherbourn.
Paul Jacobelli / January 7, 2010 at 12:09 pm
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We have lived here for six years and have watched housing prices double in that time - even with the slowdown that started last year. My sense is that when companies like TD and Shopper's decide to locate stores right in the heart of the district there is probably something brewing. These companies are known for doing their demographic research before they locate in an area. The new home construction has been quite steady and is picking up the pace. With more people come more services.

I would also add that my street is largely filled with professionals and I get the sense that the other streets are much the same. We would like more local and convenient services but I also think there is a feeling among us that we also like the quiet of this neighbourhood, despite being only a 5-8 minute streetcar ride from Yong Street. I can be in the Beaches, on the Gardiner headed west, on the DVP headed north or right in the downtown core in minutes by car or public transit. When we looked at our home we couldn't believe that we could find a place this close to downtown and so well located for transportation for the same price as a bungalow on the far, far eastern side of the Danforth. I am talking east of Main St. people.

Say what you want about the author or his motives but as a resident of the area I would say that the description is fully accurate.
Brad J. / January 7, 2010 at 12:29 pm
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Just want to point out that Brad J. and Brad are two different commenters...

...and also that this neighbourhood isn't big enough for two Brads. Meet me at King & Sumach at dusk for an ultimate showdown. There can be only one.
Brad replying to a comment from Brad J. / January 7, 2010 at 12:36 pm
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this is true, see you there.
Paul / January 7, 2010 at 12:43 pm
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There is the Bay Animal Hospital right on the corner if either of you two Brad's get hurt. Stitch you up in a jiffy and they won't send you over to the Humane Society.
AV / January 7, 2010 at 12:55 pm
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"There are three gallerys on the block just east of sherbourn, City Art, Goodwater and the new Butcher Gallery, that is a good sign."

A good sign the area is full of artsy/hipster losers like Ossy is now?? I'm moving here ASAP
Jimbo / January 7, 2010 at 01:28 pm
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I live right in between Queen / King in Corktown, and no doubt find myself getting to places via King instead of Queen. There are certainly signs of great improvement, with places like Upside Dive and the flower place opening up.

Once the major infrastructure gets going for the West Don Lands / Pan Am projects, both Queen and King will become gateways to the new area. It will be interesting to see how this affects business in the next couple of years.

I find the Queen / Sumach corner so charming. It has a town square type feeling. Hopefully the eastern growth can push down past Parliament, while the growth that's already happening around Sherbourne can slowly creep the other way.

rick mcginnis replying to a comment from Jonathan / January 7, 2010 at 01:57 pm
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I love you too, ducky.
chephy / January 7, 2010 at 02:01 pm
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Corktown is awesome; it's certainly been improving and no doubt will gentrify further. And I'm glad that it won't turn sterile like a suburb or posh and disgustingly overpriced like some really "fancy" places; a little bit of urban disarray helps keep a neighbourhood alive and exciting - for me. A row upon row of picture-perfect boutiques and too-geometrically-correct landscaping forms feels extremely stifling and lacking in soul and spirit.
tripper / January 7, 2010 at 04:21 pm
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I think it's kind of refreshing that there's one small section of Toronto that hasn't been hipsterized.
Anti Bulshevik / January 7, 2010 at 04:28 pm
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You can thank the city for the Queen East Wasteland. This area is surrounded by Regent Park and other government disasters notorious for wrecking neighborhoods. I think its rather ironic that the very program that is designed to help poor people (low income housing) actually hurts them by providing shelter that is below standard, in a crime ridden neighborhood, filled with drugs and prostitution. Way to go Nanny State! Please tax me more so you can waste my money on yourselves and people who are too lazy to work.
Rico replying to a comment from totalswan / January 7, 2010 at 10:06 pm
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Corktown because of the breweries and distilleries in the area.
Mesonto / January 8, 2010 at 08:28 am
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Corktown is great except for two major problems. The first is Annie's and the second is the Shepherd Mission (nothing ‘Good’ about them being in Corktown). If these places would either be responsible and clean up their act and join our fine neighbourhood or leave the area entirely, Corktown would be a safe wonderful place for all families. Maybe Councilor Pam McConnell of Ward 28 would like to address these problems one day.
Rico replying to a comment from Mesonto / January 8, 2010 at 08:34 am
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I agree. I'm amazed that licences still pertain to places like this. There are a handful in Leslieville that need to be closed as well. Responsible up-scale places have trouble getting licences and expansion, while places like this remain open. Thank our government.
Paul Jacobelli replying to a comment from Brad / January 8, 2010 at 09:37 am
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We live on Wascana and have seen a fair bit of troubled people who live in the area - mainly because our street is a path to the Beer Store. However, we have never had a problem with people in the area. The neighbours watch out for each other as well. So, I don't think the Salvation Army or Good Shepherd operations are a bad thing for the area. Where would you have these people go? Into someone else's neighbourhood? Would I like a bright and shiny neighbourhood? Maybe. But not if the cost is my being an uncaring citizen and seeking to simply push our "problems" into someone else's backyard. What does it say about us if all we care about is pushing the "undesirables" out to make our own lives squeeky clean. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't look at places like Annie's real hard. These types of bars are there to leach the welfare dollars from the crowd they attract. The owners know what they are doing.
Rico replying to a comment from Paul Jacobelli / January 8, 2010 at 09:46 am
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My answer to that question is the following: I'd have them get a job and earn a living. If they put the same amount of effort into finding and keeping a job, then the problem could very well go away. Too often we accept that these people are so bad off. I can tell you, they're not. I've trained people who live in dirt and earn $60 a month. We have generational welfare recipients in Canada, and nobody is challenging them at all. And no, you nor I owe them anything. Old enough to spend your welfare cheque on Canadian and cigarettes? Then you're good enough to get to work.
hear me roar replying to a comment from Paul Jacobelli / January 8, 2010 at 09:48 am
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Paul, you are just not close enough to the problems presented by these institutions, they are a menace in their immediate areas 24/7. If you were female and had to walk by these 'missions' on a daily basis, or had to deal with these individuals on a daily basis (because they followed you or shouted at you daily) you would change your tune quickly. However, I do agree with you that quickly driving by them to your home is probably no problem at all. As for removing them from our neighbourhood, I like your solution. We have too many of these places in and around our community... you should know that. Maybe Forest Hill or Rosedale would enjoy some of our centre’s in their neighborhoods instead.
Mesonto replying to a comment from Rico / January 8, 2010 at 09:52 am
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Agreed.
Paul Jacobelli / January 8, 2010 at 10:29 am
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Hey, I live and work here and am not unaware of the issues. I walk by the GS everyday and my father and uncle volunteer there weekly. Our old family friend is the Pastor at St. Paul's. They tell me the stories. I only have to look out my kitchen window to see the parade of people heading down my street for the Beer Store at 9:30 AM with a pile of empties and heading back again with a few singles or a six pack. I can stroll around the corner to Shuter if I am looking for a $5 toothless sexual experience. Try answering the doorbell and finding a crack "bleep" standing there asking for help because five, count them, five very tall and big men are chasing her and these five giants are presently standing at the bottom of my mere five steps to the sidewalk. If you saw skinny little me you'd know what I am implying here. You can't live in this area and not see what is going on unless you are blind or stupid or both. I am neither. But that still begs the question - What to do about it? Some people propose that we push the undesirables out to make our lives more pleasant. Dump them into some other area. I don't think that solves anything. If we are such a rich, educated and advanced society then why don't we start acting like one. Instead, we have allowed our politicians and other big mouths to harden us to the point that all we care about are our taxes and selfishly making our own personal lives better. I don't know all the answers but I do know that exporting the problems is not a solution. We all want able-bodied people to work rather than sit on welfare or UI but it is cheaper to cut and mail a check than operate a workfare program. How do we change that? We know there was a shortage of affordable housing for a long time - which is now changing due to some smart policy and a changing market demand. We know the Harris government's policies pushed many mentally ill people out on the street - we've done little about that. We know that there are certain elements in our society for whom crime is a way of life - so let's get more police on that instead of earning extra overtime pay watching and guarding a lampost being installed or a sewer pipe being replaced. We know that the mistakes of the parents are often passed on to the children to create inter-generational poverty, drug use, alcohol abuse, domestic violence, etc. I don't have an answer there but it appears to me that you almost need to separate the child from the problem to break the cycle. How to do that?? These are but a few of the issues that a smart and advanced society should be developing answers for. We shame ourselves by merely saying the answer is to push them somewhere else. If we want a better city we need to get off our self-absorbed backsides and get involved. This coming from a long-time self-absorbed citizen who realized the error of his ways this past summer. There is a municipal election coming up and I have sworn to work for any candidate in this Ward who will work to overturn that abominable and unethical union contract we had foisted on us this past summer. OK, need to get back to work so I can pay my taxes.
Rico / January 8, 2010 at 10:39 am
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Honestly, responsibility is lacking amongst the people. The political engine is more engaged into who is running and who will get the job next, instead of fixing issues. Open up the CBC website, and you'll see nothing but what is equivalent to a high-school newspaper, but for grown-ups in government. It's much like this country; pathetic.
Paul Jacobelli replying to a comment from Rico / January 8, 2010 at 10:49 am
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OK, last comment for now because I REALLY do need to get back to work. I think we get the politicians we deserve. There are so few leaders among them because they pander to the groups that make up the voting bloc they need to win rather than provide serious leadership. Look at municipal elections. Historically, a very low turnout by voters. The result: the politician need only get 50% + 1 of the votes of what might only be a 40% turnout. The strategy then is to cobble together just enough slivers of the voting population to get to the magic 50% +1. On the flipside, since so many voters have become disenchanted with the process they simply stay home. That leaves the spoils, and they are spoils, open to the hard-core among us. I don't want the hard-core right or left governing me. I want serious-minded people who will choose solutions that work from all sides of the political spectrum. We will never convert the hard-core right or left to a more practical viewpoint. All we can do is energize the practical middle to get over their disenchantment with the political system and pull their eyeballs away from their own navels and get involved.
Rico replying to a comment from Paul Jacobelli / January 8, 2010 at 10:57 am
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I completely agree.
hear me roar replying to a comment from Paul Jacobelli / January 8, 2010 at 10:59 am
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Paul,

I like the way you think and your morals, you were obviously brought up like myself; you honestly care about this society and want to make it better. But, these questions you pose do not help me or any others walk Queen Street at night and feel safe. And the problems created by the Sheppard mission and its ilk (Mesonto is correct, there are far to many of these places in Ward 28)have been going on for far, far too long. It is time for these places to move somewhere else or at least for the laws to change to allow the citizens of this neighbourhood to bring charges against the mission (after all it is a business) if they are harassed or abused in anyway. Please remember, we don't invite undesirables into our neighbourhood, the shelters do... it is long past time for them to take responsibility for their guests!
MaggieX / January 8, 2010 at 02:06 pm
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I'm sick and tired of all the bleeding hearts in toronto-i can tell you that most of the people in shelters are not from Toronto-it doesn't matter if you have a mental health issue or drug/drinking problem-it's important to have a routine for general wellbeing-time to participate and contribute to society-work for welfare-if you don't have a job you need be to have a curfew-if you've been charged with a past criminal offence, you need a curfew-i had a homeless person break into my home in the middle of the night while i was sleeping-next time this happens i am going to break their legs with a baseball bat-anyone who has a family member in the shelter system should be responsible for supporting them-enough with the f*cking dumb left wing b*llshit and no solutions!Privatize it all!
PinkSlippers / January 8, 2010 at 06:04 pm
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I completely agree with MaggieX. It is high time that these places are cleaned up and the people within take responsibility! Ever hear Pam McConnell talk? If she wants them she should invite them into her home... damn won't she move on already! She needs to go 10 years ago. We need someone in Ward 28 that will help the tax paying, house renting or owning public, not Pam 'bleeding heart - do nothing' McConnell.
Walker / January 8, 2010 at 06:06 pm
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Pink Slippers you couldn't be more right. Pam is most likely the biggest problem right now.
Elizabeth replying to a comment from Jonathan / January 8, 2010 at 07:02 pm
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I love Rick's articles. If they bother you, why are you reading them?
Paul Jacobelli / January 8, 2010 at 08:07 pm
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Great feedback from everyone. So, we all agree that Corktown is a great place to live and it can only get better. And we all agree that there are serious problems here that need to be addressed. Some of us seem to agree that there is a problem with the political system and the pols we elect to represent us. A few seem to agree with my view that we REALLY need to replace our current Councillor. We don't agree on everything but... is it possible that these few ideas could form the beginning of a move to make the changes that are possible so the next time someone writes an article like the one we see above they will be a better story to tell?

My wife was reading these posts (and giving me heck for not working) and had a few questions: Who was here first, the GS shelter or the people making the complaints? Criticising the presence of so many undesirable people in the area is one thing but what exactly do people propose we do with the undesirable people we don't want living in our neighbourhood anymore? To the comment that most of the shelter people are not from Toronto... she wants to know where you are from? She is from Kemptville. I am from Etobicoke which some people have said is another planet unto itself.

The solutions are very difficult to arrive at and "cleaning it up" is not a clear solution. What exactly does "cleaning it up" mean anyway? Let's just look at the generational cycles. I personally think we need to remove the children from those families where there is alcoholism, drug abuse, domestic violence, systemic poverty, bad role models (or none), poverty, mentally ill parents, etc. Otherwise, the children will likely be raised in the images of their parents. But where would I get the moral or legal authority to remove children from their parents. What is the point where I decide who is a good parent and who loses their children? Who would care for these removed children? The state? I can already hear the howls of protest from those who decry the "bleeding hearts".... If we take the children out of a very bad situation and care for them in a state run environment then we are spreading the tentacles of the nanny/welfare state. So do we take them or not? If they stay they become like their parents and are undesirables. If we take them then the socialist state is spreading. Surely there is a compromise.

My wife and I also believe in the idea of workfare. However, it simply doesn't work. Ironic isn't it. The simple truth is that it costs far more to set up and run a workfare process than it does to send the unemployed person a cheque each month. Even Mike Harris finally admitted that when he let his vaunted workfare program fade away... but not before he won an election on the backs of those on welfare by scaring us all to death about it. Suppose we simply stop sending cheques... are we forcing the recipient to find a job or turn to crime? If even a quarter turned to crime then how much would that cost us to police and jail these new-born criminals. The point is that these issues are difficult to get right, the politicians give us little leadership, the right and the left are each trying to yell louder than the other, we citizens are so fed-up we have pulled away and care only for ourselves and the problems only fester and get worse. The issues in Corktown are not going to go away. The shelters are here because this is where the poor people are. Instead of complaining about it we all need to communicate our ideas, be willing to listen to other ideas besides our own and reach a compromise solution that changes that which we don't like. And be ready to go back to the drawing board and change that if it turns out it didn't work or if there is still more work to be done.
Rico replying to a comment from Paul Jacobelli / January 8, 2010 at 08:36 pm
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I am living in Leslieville, but I was born in Toronto, family was at Yonge & St. Clair for 30 years. I say we pay for rent and food, and have that organized so they don't actually see the cash. That way they can survive, but anything beyond that should be their initiative to move into something more lucrative. And I say the City take on the training into positions so that they get a footing into something. The reason poor people are here is because the shelters and support is for them to be here. I always find it amazing that top valued land is given to the poor, and that downtown land depreciates because of this kind of donation. Professionals have to find housing outside of the city and commute every day. So the city suffers due to a bad model, while the valuable areas are given to people who don't add anything.

First step, if you ask me, is to get people on welfare into a position of responsibility. The Food Bank asks for volunteers, while the beneficiaries don't lend a helping hand at all. I think this is backwards. Want to be fed? Spend 30 minutes a week sorting items. Then they go home to their 3 children and watch cable all week.
DOS replying to a comment from Paul Jacobelli / January 12, 2010 at 10:47 pm
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Paul, I would totally agree with your thinking if we were talking Toronto city-wide. Shelters and help for trouble people are much needed.
The point is this: even if you take the nicest poshest area in Toronto and concentrate the same number of shelters, meth clinics etc in there as Corktown has to bear - see how quickly that place becomes a wasteland. The distribution is just not fair.
Corktowners have every right to complain, regardless of how long they have been here - AFAIK we pay the same taxes as other Toronto neighbourhoods do while having to deal with a disproportionate level of misery for the longest time.
CH / January 15, 2010 at 11:57 am
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A lot of those 'empty' retail locations around here are actually (at least on King) occupied by professional services - it would certainly be an improvement if retail took them over.

I've lived here for 12 years, and things have improved quite a bit over that time. I agree that the Regent Park development and West Don Lands, particularly with the Pan Am games providing a push, will improve our prospects further here. Hopefully not the the point of something along the lines of the Liberty Village/Queen/Dufferin disaster currently taking place where all the character of an area is squeezed out by gentrification...
maggiex / April 27, 2010 at 11:02 pm
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In response to Paul's comment-where are you from? I was born and raised in Toronto and my husband's family has owned property and lived in Corktown since the 50's longer than the Good Shephard home has been around-Pam McConell has lived in public housing for the last 25 years and really is out of touch with what is going on-she is a true politician-corktown residents don't like her so she avoids this area like the plague and focuses on areas that will vote for her-she needs to do whatever is neccessary to survive i suppose-anyways the point of forced work is to create structure in one's life-many of these people get into trouble because they have an idle mind and no structure in their daily activity-corktown has the highest concentration of shelters in the world which to me signals a huge mistake in urban planning-it's inhumane to place this number of troubled individuals in such a concentrated area with people who are underpriveleged-like i said before-family needs to step up and take care of their own-if you have a family member in the system any living family member should take care of them and not rely on others-it figures that people like you would make such comments about supporting the good shepherd-people like you (small town or from etobicoke) won't last in corktown and will pack your bags and move back to smallville because you can't handle living in Corktown-i've seen it time and time again-all Bark with no viable solution and then they leave-i'm trying to create a sustainable community where I can raise a family and not have to worry about crack alley or transients harrasing my children.
Paul Jacobelli replying to a comment from maggiex / April 28, 2010 at 12:15 am
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Maggie, chill out. I am here 8 years and still going strong. With some luck I won't ever have to move back to Etobicoke.
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