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Morning Brew: Elderly Driver Runs Red and Kills Pedestrian, Doctor Speeds, Reward Upped in Christopher Skinner Case, Yonge Street Media Launch, Another Acquittal in Creba Case, ROM Expansion Plans

Posted by Jerrold Litwinenko / January 13, 2010

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What's happening in the GTA (and sometimes beyond):

A tragic accident at the Martin Grove and Eglinton intersection that saw a young mother killed, a baby in a stroller escape unscathed, and an 83-year old woman potentially facing charges has reignited the debate about licensing and testing of eldery drivers.

When, if ever, is it justified for a driver to exceed the speed limit? A doctor on his way to perform an emergency treatment was stopped by police and ticketed for doing almost twice the speed limit on a city street in wintry conditions. Should he have been let off? What constitutes an emergency?

A new, larger cash reward is now being offered in the still unsolved death of Christopher Skinner, who was run down by an SUV and killed back in October. Video evidence suggests that a number of witnesses are out there, and the friends of the driver have so far not given up the suspect. The family continue to grieve over their loss and are hoping that a $100,000 reward will help them bring the culprit to justice and some closure to the tragedy.

Yonge Street, a new online publication that is driven by sponsorship (including funding from City of Toronto) and positive reporting on Toronto and the 905, launches today. The e-zine will aggregate news, and also include feature articles about businesses and people who display creativity, innovation, contribute to urban development, social well-being, and so forth.

There's been another acquittal in the Jane Creba case. Defendant G.C., who was present during the shooting but was not alleged to have been armed himself, saw manslaughter charges dropped as the Crown once again failed to effectively prove "common unlawful purpose." Having spent some three years under strict house arrest, G.C. seemed enthusiastic to have his life back. Hopefully, if anything, this ordeal has taught him a thing or two about how to choose friends.

And thanks to $2.25 million in infrastructure funding from the feds, the ROM will be expanding its exhibition space. Two new gallery spaces will be added and an existing (Jamaican bat cave) space refurbished. Renovations are expected to start right away, and the new galleries open by March of 2011.

Discussion

30 Comments

Screwoff / January 13, 2010 at 09:39 am
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Completley assinine they ticketed the Dr.

The problem is that damn stretch of road is only 40KM/H!!
Its a back sidestreet behind a frigging cemetary, backing yards onto some residental area. Not a school area, or commerical, etc.
It should be 50KM/H +.
Bartek / January 13, 2010 at 09:49 am
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Glad to see the improvements to the ROM and increased space. Been to many museums, and the ROM definitely holds up when it comes to ones found in North America. Not the greatest, but a great one for sure.
Neighbour / January 13, 2010 at 09:53 am
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It's 40 km/h because of the cars turning on/off the street. Nary impossible if cars are going over 45 in that stretch.

If it was an emergency, he should have gotten a police escort.
DH / January 13, 2010 at 09:56 am
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Put stop light into the one or two streets that may exit off of it.
Otherwise its fine and needs to be increased.
thatguy / January 13, 2010 at 10:13 am
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Why not give doctors that have to respond to emergencies portable green sirens like firefighters have in their private cars. Seems just too logical.
TokyoTuds / January 13, 2010 at 10:15 am
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I read many of the comments on the CBC article, and I agree more retesting of seniors should be done. But what nobody seems to mention is that with better pedestrian design and public transit, seniors could maintain their independence without a car. Independence is why most seniors do not want to give up their license.
thatguy replying to a comment from TokyoTuds / January 13, 2010 at 10:23 am
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While a noble goal, it's a grand scale thing that still doesn't solve the right issue. Even with perfect transit the issue of the right to drive remains.

I think retesting (this could a simple reflex and response test rather than full blown driving test) is needed at some point, likely at an age where the earliest signs of reflex slowing occurs.
Jonathan / January 13, 2010 at 10:24 am
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Okay, crossover question.

Should senior doctors be able to speed to emergencies?
jack / January 13, 2010 at 10:27 am
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if the city really cared, we would have better transit system.. but wait.. better transit means fewer people buying cars, then more bailout money going to car companies, closing down of car dealerships, gas statsions, less money collected from car registration fees, less business for canadian tire and mechanics..
TokyoTuds replying to a comment from thatguy / January 13, 2010 at 10:32 am
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thatguy, it is well established that driving is a privilege, not a right. My siblings and I struggled over the issue with my late father, as to whether we should intervene and take away his car and license after he passed his written test at age 80. He couldn't do a shoulder check, which would only be picked up during a full road test. He had had a couple of "innocent" events which were warning signs to us, but thankfully he never hurt himself or others with his car.
joe / January 13, 2010 at 10:34 am
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it woulda been a more interesting story had his patient died the second he arrived.

the story is messed. all the po-pos say is: if you don't get there without crashing then you're no use at all. wake up: ambulances speed getting patients to hospitals. cops speed to get to the donut shop. yet, there's no proof that speed causes accidents. that police comment was such a hyprocritcal comment.
TheVok / January 13, 2010 at 10:43 am
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Indeed, I keep waiting to once, just once, see a police car driven according to the same laws that the police so eagerly enforce.
mark. replying to a comment from TokyoTuds / January 13, 2010 at 10:51 am
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Well put! If things were planned for pedestrian and transit, seniors wouldn't lose their independence when they can't drive, and pedestrians wouldn't get run over when they're out walking.
Chrissy / January 13, 2010 at 11:03 am
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Just reading through the comments on the linked story about the car accident and had to note, many of the commenters are suggesting annual (or every 2 year), in-car driving tests for everyone over 80, 75, 60, 50 or even "everyone."

Anyone else see a bit of a feasibility gap here?

The system is already horribly backed up with the currently-required level of testing, especially after a lengthy strike. With the largest segment of the population about to hit the age ranges proposed, how on earth could this be accomplished? The additional costs would surely be prohibitive. And we all know where the extra $$$ would have to come from...

Obviously road safety is an important issue and can't be wholesale sacrificed to the bottom line. But I also don't see the point in getting enraged that the government "lets" this kind of thing happen when there's no way the average taxpayer would be willing to foot the bill required to make major changes to the system.
mr hate / January 13, 2010 at 11:05 am
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Given that there's that slight gap between the red light and the green light and a new mother would never venture out into traffic until it was safe to do so, it's far more likely that the old lady DID run a redder than red red light and wasn't paying attention.

She should be charged with the harshest possible offense.

My dad is old (80+) and becoming a shittier driver every time I get in the car with him. He's a typical stubborn old ass who thinks he's an awesome driver. They should definitely have higher standards on old people driver refresher tests than they currently do.
mr hate / January 13, 2010 at 11:16 am
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"The Senior Driver Renewal Program requires that senior drivers, aged 80 years and over, pay the applicable licensing fee, complete a vision test and a knowledge test and take part in a group education session every two years."

How come there isn't a f'n ROAD TEST

My dad wold FAIL that.

Oh well, I guess we need a wave of old people killing people with their cars before anyone gives a sh*t.
Eric26 / January 13, 2010 at 11:25 am
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I assume that ambulance drivers know a bit about speeding around the city safely. I doubt the doctor did.
jack / January 13, 2010 at 11:33 am
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our cities/country is so retarded.. we don't have enough people to support the infrastructure, but we keep expanding outward, rather than moving back people to the core to have a bit more density such that we can afford a better transit system.. our weather conditions do not allow much outdoor activities and driving safely, hence speaking to the importance of underground transit system..our population is aging, and more people need to depend on better subway.. businesses are not doing well, because we don't get enough pedestrian traffic..the downtown core is a ghost town over weekends in winter time.. it is empty after office hours...this is just not helping the economy..it is a bigger issue as they all linked together..
Ryan L. replying to a comment from joe / January 13, 2010 at 11:50 am
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In addition to what Eric26 said, I can think of other big differences between an ambulance speeding a doctor in their private vehicle. Sirens and Flashing lights come to mind. Oh, also the law requiring that all other vehicles on the road pull over. Also, the ability for emergency vehicles to trigger stop lights to switch over in their favour.

Definitely not the same situation.
nitroMiner / January 13, 2010 at 12:48 pm
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It's a nasty brew this morning, indeed.

Murderers cruising entertainment district:
A typical crime of opportunistic bullies and cowards. 4 of them, eh? Cowards all. May they hang. Their parents must be proud what sheep they raised.

Near elderly drivers:
Seems this person was inattentive. Didn't notice a red light when approaching an intersection? Bloody hell. Tough call to determine an age to start yearly road tests for the near elderly. Not everyone has the same driving skills at any age and eyesight towards the near elderly age - macular degenenration etc.

A road test is a good place to start. Yeah, at what age though....
As for the cost of the additional public safety - they charge for every sneeze as it is. If we're to be so worried about speeders, we can dismiss the near blind and distracted near elderly drivers? Oh? At what cost. We're already paying for it, consider it covered.


Speeding Doc:
It truly IS up to the discretion of the officer. What time of day was it, for instance?
The police hear so many excuses in a day...truthfully, one's license does not include one's University degrees, nor identify whether one is a medical doctor.

The officer must of been having a bad day and was a tad belligerent, if indeed it took 10 minutes to write up a ticket, seeming as how he didn't buy the doctor's reason for speeding. Dick.

Imagine if the doc was doing 50kph over the limit. He would have been seriously delayed, thanks to GD Julian Fantino and his knee jerk pushing politicians for this cocked up piece of legislation. Racing? What percentage of the population does this? Hmmmm? Yeah, right.

This is a good reason to have video cameras with a visible clock timer in all police cars - just to keep them honest, shall we say....


<jonathon>
Should senior doctors be able to speed to emergencies?

Indeed, at which age should near elderly doctors stop operating on your kidneys, etc. Good point....
Peter K / January 13, 2010 at 01:33 pm
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Old people shouldn't drive.
Aric G / January 13, 2010 at 03:08 pm
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What if the Doc killed a kid in the residential area? We'd all be up in arms about the situation.

And it's not like the Hospital didn't have any other doctors on staff. Sounds to me like someone who maybe wanted to go fast, and uses 'it's ok, I'm a doctor' as an excuse.

Jonathan / January 13, 2010 at 03:19 pm
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What is this about ambulances speeding around town? If you watch you will note ambulances always stop at red lights and often wait until they turn green. They travel at the speed limit not over. They regularly obey all traffic laws. There were too many accidents back when they did speed around everywhere. They are not allowed to do that now.
An "every second counts" emergency is actually very rare. In fact, part of the purpose of paramedics is to stabalize someone in such a state before transporting them to the hospital.

Now the cops still seem to have more liberal attitudes about blowing through intersections during emergencies (and not)
KBorg replying to a comment from Neighbour / January 13, 2010 at 03:33 pm
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Yes, neighbour. Because doctors en route to perform emergency procedures ALWAYS have time to request a police escort...
thatguy replying to a comment from mr hate / January 13, 2010 at 03:49 pm
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your dad would fail that, also 80% of the rest of the population would fail that.
thatguy replying to a comment from jack / January 13, 2010 at 03:51 pm
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apparently density is evil because it requires condos
and i learned on blog to that condos are evil

i own one

but it feel homes are more evil, cause sprawl eat up more energy per population

justdie / January 13, 2010 at 03:53 pm
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old people are stupid
justlive replying to a comment from justdie / January 13, 2010 at 04:15 pm
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...and young people are fatuous.
gadfly / January 14, 2010 at 07:39 am
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Current speed limits in Canada are all about revenue generation and lining the pockets of insurance companies: absolutely nothing to do with safety. Mulholland Drive in L.A. is a 40 mph limit! I tried doing that in Mustang convertible and could barely maintain it. God Bless America! (Joking!)
Elderly people vote, while young people whine. A mandatory reflex/vision/range of body motion test should be done every 2 years once a person hits 75, but the system right now is a joke. I once had to help an octegenarian to his car in the underground of the Manulife Center. You can bet I got my car out of their before he started his!
An ambulance is a lumbering beast, top heavy and hardly designed for navigating crowded streets at high speed. A doctor with decent driving skills in a Porsche could easily outmaneuver an ambulance. The article never states what kind of vehicle the doctor was driving.
Maybe we should have mandatory pedestrian testing, too! I have lost count with the number of times pedestrians cut the corner at an intersection, at night, wearing black while talking on their cell - it happened to me just last night at Carlton/Jarvis. Are these people nuts? I'd say half the pedestrians (if not more) step off the curb and never even look to see if driver's are slowing down or stopping. That's part of our 'entitled' culture. Whether in the right or not, a vehicle will always win and being dead won't help the pedestrian in court. A minimal amount of awareness of one's surroundings go along way, or even some basic civility, but that is asking too much.
true replying to a comment from gadfly / January 14, 2010 at 08:07 am
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And you didnt even mention idiot cyclists.
The real reason behind many an accident.

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