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Avenue Road vs. Alpine Roofing, Or When Two Toronto Roofing Companies Look Eerily Similar
There are a lot of roofing companies in this city. At one time, they took up the second largest number of pages in the Yellow Pages - after escort services - and competition is fierce, mostly because nobody looks forward to replacing their roof, and repeat business, if it happens, is often separated by an interval of a decade or more.
In Toronto, the fiercest competition between roofers is at the high end, where two companies, Avenue Road and Alpine, are both the largest and most established in the business. They have other things in common; they were both started in the mid-70s, both currently have owners of Greek descent, and feature logos of striking similarity, plastered across their trucks and signage - tall, sans serif blue letters on white backgrounds.
"Sometimes it's confusing to people," says George Spyrou, Alpine Roofing's office manager. "They want to phone Alpine, but they have the Avenue truck come by and they get the phone number from it and they call Avenue or vice versa ... I've had customers phone to honour warranties on work that Avenue's done. That's because of the big blue letters on the trucks."
"It's been my observation that a lot of these businesses have mirrored their marketing very directly that have positioned themselves to look very much like us," says Craig Bennett, deputy executive director of Avenue Road Roofing, "to the point where some customers think we own both companies, one in the east and one in the west."
While competing with each other, the two companies have to compete with much smaller, often fly-by-night concerns - what Spyrou calls "a guy and his truck" - who can undercut them by hundreds, even thousands of dollars, mostly because they don't have the same overhead or labour costs, or obligations to insurance, warranties or employee safety. This has led to a guerilla marketing war on the street, which has manifested itself in posters pasted on the back of street signs and wire and plastic bag signs, tactics that are as successful as they are publicly unloved.
Bennett says that Avenue Road can take indirect credit for the wire and plastic bag signs, which were pioneered by Avenue Road Advertising, a company started in 1993 by Louie Pateropoulos, brother of the roofing company's owner.
Ultimately, though, the real battle is between the two giants, and there are stories of Alpine sales reps happily undercutting Avenue Road's estimates, though Spyrou hotly denies them. Still, Bennett is proud to admit that his company will charge the highest price for a job, despite the competition.
"It's been my experience in the roofing business that there are a lot of people who truly don't understand the cost of being in business," he explains, adding that "you can't get a Mercedes for the price of a Hyundai."


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Anybody who uses a fly by night roofing guy based o a sign they saw stapled to a telephone pole without checking his references is a moron.
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Both Alpine and Avenue need to be heavily fined for putting their stupid signs up illegally all over town. Does the city not give a shit?
3 Ask your friends for a roofing guy reco. Hopefully it won't be either the Alpine or Avenue clowns
Unfortunately, I can never remember which one it was whenever I'm making recommendations to friends.
Why does it have to be 'news' to be on BlogTO? I thought this BLOG was about TORONTO so wouldn't that mean anything goes, as long as it happens in Toronto? If you want news than watch the news or read a newspaper.
I've often wondered if they WERE the same owners and thanks to this article and some intelligent comments, I'll look elsewhere for my roofing needs.
What I would like to have seen the writer do however is delve a little deeper into this story and maybe this is all part of their "plan" to dupe people into using one or the other. Both Greek owners? Hmmm. Fishy. Opa!
I wish the people who caught the roofers drinking on the job had photos. Otherwise it's unprovable.
interesting post, but hey come downtown, there is junk advertising, everywhere and i mean EVERYWHERE- but nobody complains about it. what makes the suburbs so sacred? not trying to justify the junk, just saying... get used to it.
I know the basics (i.e. proof of insurance, license, written price, schedule) but are there any other questions
I should be asking that would effect the outcome of the roof? Is it ok to flat out as for referrals?
Do you think it is important to actually meet the foreman who will be on the job?
Any insight would help!! Thanks!
I am a sales consultant for M&R Roofing (www.mandrroofing.ca, we previously sub-contracted for one of the above mentioned companies. Maybe we even installed your roof on their behalf. If your looking for the best quality install, customer service and fair pricing look no further.
Tell you what.... I did not have work done nor by Avenue or by Alpine, I can say that I worked as a roofer for both of them, after I worked at Alpine Roofing like a slave(who said slavery is not around anymore?)the douche bag George Spyrou (which by the way is the most arrogant self centered son of a bitch in the east end)...decided to get only illegal aliens to work for him!
I'll tell you all what.... you may expect to get what you pay for and that is a great roof for the shitload of money you pay this fat bastard,.... but he will also get what he pays for!!! and pas it on to you!
Example: you pay for your roof about 7000 to 9000 to George Spyrou, for that money you expect a good job, workers that speak English, no leaks after they leave and a good clean up at the end....right?...sure you do.
Now lets look at what you get ,.... you will get 5-7 people that are paid 12$ per hr to do this hard work,they don't even speak English, most don't even know what they are doing because they only labor ( again remember I worked with these crews! )...now bottom line is, ... how can you blame someone that is not giving 100%? when he know by the end of the day he will end up with 120$ before tax and after 10 or 12 hours of hard labor, dead tired, dirty, and abused by a bad boss that takes advantage of the bad situation some people are in.
Anyway please take in consideration what I said!.... I quit Alpine roofing years ago... I also got fired from: Dominion Roofing, Avenue Road Roofing, Specified Roofing Contractors, Roof Works and others!.... they all said I have attitude problems but I think I just did not fit their "SLAVE" profile...well that is when I said to all of them to go to Hell and opened my own small Roof Repairs Company.
So maybe you should! consider the small guys with the truck, that are there working their asses of instead of giving these greedy monsters all the money and then they pay their workers slave wages....think about that!