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Public Urination Stirs Tensions on Dundas West
Fung Lee moved into her storefront home on Dundas West near Brock Avenue with her husband five years ago. "We liked the rawness of the neighbourhood," she told me. But Lee didn't realize just how raw the area could get.
"We'll be eating outside [in the backyard] and all of a sudden we'll see someone going in the corner on the other side of the fence. It's kind of gross... and the smell!" said Lee, whose yard is connected to a laneway near one of the local sports bars.
Lee believes public urination, or "P.U." as she likes to call it, is a bigger issue in the neighbourhood and involves the number and quality of sports bars.
According to a marketing study released last year by the Dundas West Business Improvement Area, there are 12 bars, mainly sports bars, concentrated on a few blocks of Dundas West.
Sam Santos, who manages JC Pimentel Photography, located beside a laneway, told me he's spoken to sports bar owners and the police, but nothing has changed. The sensor lights he added in the laneway deterred some, while another business owner got tired of opening the store to the stench of urine and installed a camera at the front door.
"It's a concern too, because the laneway is close to a school. School started again and more kids use that laneway to get to Dundas. They don't need to see some man peeing back there," said Santos.
Mario Duarte, whose Euro Sports Bar and Cafe has been in the area for 10 years, agrees there is a problem but doesn't think patrons of sports bars are the only ones peeing in public.
"Some of them are my patrons hanging out outside. Some are just people walking around. When you have to go, you have to go," said Duarte.
Duarte describes his public washrooms as decent. I asked to see them. They weren't the prettiest rooms, but they were clean. "Sometimes I have to mop it up off the floor, but yes, they use them," he said of his clientele.
"I think it has something to do with the smoking ban," said Lubo Brezina, Lee's husband, a furniture designer who displays his work in the storefront window of their home. "People come out to smoke and then they have to pee. They have a smoke in their mouth and they're not going to go back inside."
Toronto is planning to install 20 self-cleaning public toilets. When asked whether their neighbourhood should be slated for one, many were skeptical it would solve their problem, especially when potential inebriation and payment for public toilet use are coupled.
I sympathize with businesses and residents over this issue. Peeing in public is nasty for everyone. But I also fear the way some frame the conversation, mixing their own "isms" and stereotypes with legitimate complaints about patrons coming from predominantly Portuguese male sports bars who pee in public. The owner of an upscale bakery, a recent addition to the area thanks to cheap rent, thinks the sports bars are a stain on a neighbourhood trying to rebrand itself. One of the "unsavory" nearby sports bar practices she described was the cooking smelly sardines (a Portuguese staple), in an outdoor wood stove.
I guess she missed two points of irony: That she moved to a predominantly Portuguese neighbourhood; and that she was talking to a Portuguese-Canadian who occasionally barbeques smelly sardines herself.


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THIS IS A NO PEE ZONE! YOU ARE BEING WATCHED! NO PEE! NO WAY! NO HOW!
I guess let the re-branding begin. I can't wait until the entire core becomes gentrified and unaffordable and the only "gritty" neighbourhoods left are my home areas in Scarborough. I give it a few years.
As for the pee. Its called a hose, use it.
Oh i get it.. once you get south of Steeles the rules and laws change? You are now allowed to litter, piss and poop on the sidewalk because you are in the 'city.'
Im surprised you can afford a computer with that trashy mindset.
Or if it gets really bad: http://www.christopherwalkeniswatchingyoupee.com/jgiwyp/
1 - The horn.
2 - Live webcam.
The horn could be attached to motion detector light too. They'll pee in their pants as the lights and horn goes off at once. ha ha
The live webcam is a cool idea as well. Post the URD address near where they pee.
You can hide a remote radio and leave it on mute. As they approach, de-mute the audio.
If they pee on your property at night near bushes, then get some razor blade wire fences and hope to hell they'll trip face down. They'll get charged with trespassing while you'll be happy that you have no 'raccoons' on your property.
*All information above is intentionally for entertainment purposes only*
Your violent fantasies are far more disgusting than anyone's pee, and your disclaimer doesn't change that.
Go find a toilet or at least a park.
Don't piss on other people's property.
End of story, jerkos.
BUT... "Boo-hoo, I moved here for the urban grit, but it's TOO gritty! Let's tear down the sports bars that have been here for decades and put in some organic espresso bars and overpriced knick-knack shops. That'll fix things up. Boo-hoo."
At least, that's my impression of the complainant in this case. Is it fair? I dunno. But that's my impression.
You'll never get rid of the urinaters entirely, so you may as well encourage them to do it in a way that has minimal impact.
Just ask them to carry around plastic bags to clean up their mess! lol
"Fung Lee moved into her storefront home on Dundas West near Brock Avenue with her husband five years ago."
That's all we know about her, but somehow you know she's a "yuppie dink"?
There's one thing I know: you're a dumbass.
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Perhaps this is a solution if you have money?
DO NOT move in to a neighbourhood, take advantage of low rents and the rustic/raw authenticity and tell the people that have lived there for generations how they should live.
Don't like the smell of Sardines? Move to Rosedale. You'll fit in well there.
Every landlord wants Queen West rent, while it's really Dundas West rent.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/88152-my-first-chicago-white-sox-game-the-pee-trough-at-old-comiskey-park
There is not enough bathrooms, can't walk into most restaurants to pee, and you shouldn't be able to. If i have to go, I'll go. I try not to put myself in that position.
Also don't blame the sports bars, they have bathrooms.
more than once we've witnessed grown men urinating in the alley at 3pm. it's insane.
i have fantasies of turning a hose on them, throwing a bucket of water on them, etc...but the problem is they know where i live, and i don't want to risk retaliation.
it's worse for the people who live in the homes behind us - they have to use the alley to get in. i can just enjoy the smell and the view from my kitchen window.
oh, and no yuppies here.
This pisses me off. The sports bars that were already there are a stain? No, you're the stain on this city neighbourhood you gentrifying asshole.
I never get tired of hearing stories about entitled Torontonians.
you pay property taxes.
make nice with a cop so they will enforce the law.
no need to make the goalie net wider...just enforce the rulebook as it was written.
Guess what -- WOMEN can't pee in an alley so we **remember to go** before we leave the bar. How hard is that, guys? And if you don't remember, then HOLD IT IN! That's what we tell kids, so I guess we'll have to treat the urinators like a bunch of little children who can't remember to pee before they leave the house.