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Jilly's Remains a Stain on Revitalized Riverside. Can Organic Eats and Lap Dances Co-Exist?

Posted by Rick McGinnis / September 16, 2009

Jilly'sWith even the smallest houses selling for close to half a million dollars, the neighbourhood that calls itself Riverside - after going through a couple of name changes - has finally achieved the gentrification that was so confidently predicted for it; although it took a lot longer than anyone imagined.

Centred on the intersection of Queen East and Broadview, the neighbourhood sat out the '80s and most of the '90s in the same state that it spent the '60s and '70s - an almost perfectly preserved Victorian streetscape, with an inventory of buildings and storefronts that have mostly been landmarked by the city. Prime among them is the red sandstone hotel that houses Jilly's, the strip club that was once the area's prime attraction.

LOIC"It's changed a lot, even in the last year," says Peter Gress, manager at Carbon Computing, which has called Riverside its home for six years - back when it was still called Queen Broadview Village. Gress says that there's much more street traffic, much of it young couples with children in strollers, and Carbon is selling more iPods, docks and printer ink than it did before.

Quad SpinJilly's is fated to be more and more of a poor fit in an area like this. Pavel Sokol runs Lucaffe, which has a prime corner spot in the historic Poulton Block, and reflects that "similar establishments all over the city are closing down." And while Jilly's might have had its place twenty years ago, "we have all moved on."

RiversideElizabeth Andrews of the Riverside BIA sighs at the persistent rumours that a boutique hotel like the Gladstone or Drake might make over the Jilly's building. "Wow, that would be great. But it's not going to happen just yet." The BIA negotiated with the owners to take down the neon and backlit porn star portraits and give the place a burlesque-y makeover, but the strip bar backed out at the last minute.

RiversideThe Jilly's building is such a neighbourhood landmark that nothing can be built higher than its peaked tower, which has frustrated developers including reality TV realtor Brad Lamb. "You have to see the peak of Jilly's coming from anywhere." In the meantime, Andrews is focused on attracting services for locals, like a grocery store that she thinks would be ideal in the long-vacant storefront that once housed a funeral home.

RiversidePersonally, she'd love to see a shoe store, but is content that after finally achieving its long sought-for renewal, Riverside is going somewhere. "It's the hope of change - everybody wants to see change."

Discussion

69 Comments

No High Rise Condo's / September 16, 2009 at 10:05 am
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Screw off Brad Lamb!!! We don't need anymore high-rise condo's outside of the downtown core.
Ratpick / September 16, 2009 at 10:07 am
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Once Jilly's is gone and replaced with a Gladstone clone, we'll see the follow-up piece:

"Gentrification's high rents squeeze out beloved independent shops!"

Careful what you wish for.

badbhoy / September 16, 2009 at 10:10 am
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Maybe they need a high end poutine restaurant to move in next door.

Pee on Dundas West and strip bars in Riverside. Any other neighbourhoods you would like to make over on behalf of new-to-the-area business owners?

anon / September 16, 2009 at 10:35 am
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Jilly's was there first. I'm inclined to think that hideous Quad East building is a stain on Jilly's, not vice-versa. Why do you tedious fuckers have to take every neighbourhood in town and make them all taupe and bland and same-y? What makes Queen-Broadview great right now is the mix of uses, backgrounds, and incomes. There's a bit of sleaze, but you can also get a really good espresso if need be. Each needs the other to be interesting.

Some won't be happy until the very sense of vitality that draws them to any given area gets pushed out; they'll suck up all the stored cultural capital of an area and replace it with shoe stores, doggie spas and high-end baby clothes retailers. And then you've got yet another Beach. Or Queen West. Or Ossington. And then people will stand around blinking, thinking "gee, it's not very interesting here anymore." And they'll move on to another area, like a cloud of locusts.

I'm not anti-gentrification, necessarily. I just wish the results weren't so consistently boring.
( . Y . ) / September 16, 2009 at 10:38 am
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titties titties titties titties vaaaaggggg
Not all good / September 16, 2009 at 10:40 am
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Is Dangerous Dan's part of the 'new' Riverside or the old Queen Broadview Village?

mikeb / September 16, 2009 at 10:59 am
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If North Toronto can live with a strip club at Yonge near Manor Road, I don't see what the big deal is with Riverside, Queen East or whatever it's called this month.
Gloria / September 16, 2009 at 11:05 am
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Did you really have to use the word "stain"?

I actually like the Quad. It used to be a run-down laundry wholesaler, or something. Never knew. It was always locked up with filthy windows. It's not a very attractively built building to start with, and I think the matte black paint is a pretty good approach.

It's definitely changed a lot in one year. The gentrification ball was rolling several years ago, but it went into lightspeed in the past twelve months. The business owner is right -- tons more families and pedestrians in general.

I miss the old airbrush portraits Jilly's has up; they had this great, slightly retro 70s/80s feel. The "girls, girls, girls!" signs also fit in the building's roundels. All this distinguished them from places like Zanzibar. The new photos and slapped-up signs are just freakin' awful.

I'm intrigued to hear the BIA had a deal with them to give them a more non-intrusive makeover. Too bad Jilly's backed out. It's not so much the "strip club"-ness than the blatant, gaudy signage.
APOW / September 16, 2009 at 11:09 am
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BURN DOWN JILLY'S! I WENT THERE THINKING THERE WAS MEN DANCING INSIDE! BUT THERE WASN'T! KILL IT KILL IT WITH FIRE!!
Jonathan / September 16, 2009 at 11:17 am
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Hopefully someday, every street in Toronto will be nothing but artisan charcuteries, organic bakeries, vintage clothing boutiques, fair-trade coffee shops and bespoke cocktail lounges.

Then we'll finally be world classy.
jamesmallon / September 16, 2009 at 11:24 am
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'Jonathan' and 'anon': spot on. Toronto is beige enough as it is. Have a friend coming here from Tokyo for a wedding who was asking me what to see in the city. I looked around at the amazing stuff happening outside the bar in Shimokitazawa and thought about what would be as stimulating: I told her to stay in her hotel room.
Jeremy replying to a comment from mikeb / September 16, 2009 at 11:27 am
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I think the strip club you're referring to has since closed it's doors for exactly that reason - that it didn't "belong" in the area.

I'm going to have to agree with Anon on this one, and I honestly couldn't have said it better myself. I dread all these new "hot" areas popping up because I know it's only a matter of time before they're essentially ruined with condos (thanks Lamb), over-crowding, and those who own Pugs and funny looking bikes.
Sean / September 16, 2009 at 11:37 am
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@mikeb, the club you're thinking of on Yonge St. gas been closed for the better part of a year.

Calling it a stain is a bit much, and certainly more than a bit editorial for a headline. Businesses survive as long as either a) there's a market for their product/service or b) the owner is willing to subsidize losses. One or the other must be true in the case of Jilly's, if not both, and as long as the city doesn't go full-on vanilla and legislate strip clubs out of business, it'll stay there. Anyone who moves into the area and then complains about it is ridiculous; it's like the people who complain about all those noisy airplanes after they move into Rexdale.
Liam / September 16, 2009 at 11:50 am
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What a shock and a delight to read the comments and find I'm not the only one who likes the neighbourhood just fine with that big beacon of flesh on the corner. (And that's true even now that I'm part of the stroller brigade.) The best thing about Jilly's is that it keeps the "tedious fuckers" the hell away. By the way, if you think it's ever going anywhere, take a moment and think about who actually might control it.
Elle Driver / September 16, 2009 at 11:50 am
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I once dared a co-worker to visit the hotel above Jilly's to see how the rooms looked like (we worked down the street from it.) When he came back, he was too shaken and disturbed to tell me what he had seen.

I also had a friend who used to work as a bouncer for Jilly's years ago - he said the food was surprisingly good, but he made sure to avoid eye-contact with the "talent" (they were not so good.) He hilariously described himself sitting in the corner, trying to eat his food as fast has he could, while shielding his eyes from the stage.

robsonian replying to a comment from anon / September 16, 2009 at 12:03 pm
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100% spot on.
jen / September 16, 2009 at 12:12 pm
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I live on King West and the area has changed a great deal in the last 5-10 years. For Your Eyes Only is still there and really, I barely notice it. Granted, it doesn't have tacky signage like Jilly's but I don't think strip clubs are necessarily some huge blight on neighbourhoods.
G Smith / September 16, 2009 at 12:15 pm
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I understand various aspects of the hate-on for condos, but I have to ask: where are people who cannot afford a $500-900k home supposed to live within a reasonable car-free commuting distance of the city's core? The crumbling, roach/ant/bedbug-infested 1960s/70s highrises of St. Jamestown? Illegal basement apartments? Been there, done that, and hoping to avoid what seems like an increasingly unavoidable move to the 905. Face it, the city continues to grow and increased density (via new mid-rise housing development) is part and parcel of that if we want to avoid further sprawl and its many negative effects.

I do not think that it is fair to suggest that anyone who is new to an area wants to sanitize it; to the contrary, some of us are just hoping for a viable way to become part of it.
Darcy McGee / September 16, 2009 at 12:36 pm
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You call Jilly's a "stain" I call it the place my ex-wife used to go to make out with hot stripper chicks after two beers.

Good times. Good times indeed.
John Doe / September 16, 2009 at 12:42 pm
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Give me Jilly's over Brad lamb any day. Not all change is good.
John Doe / September 16, 2009 at 12:45 pm
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This is a neighbourhood created by low interest rates and the current housing bubble. When interest rates return to normal and those $500,000.00 small homes are selling for half the price, I bet the only business still standing will be Jilly's.
Jennai / September 16, 2009 at 12:57 pm
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I'm not a huge fan of strip clubs, but part of the charm of Riverside is that it feels like a good microcosm for all of Toronto... It's hip, a little too expensive some places, has a good music venue, tons of coffee, and it is rough around the edges. Though I'm not a fan of Jilly's personally, and have never been inside there, why should they be elbowed out of the neighbourhood they've been in all this time just because some rich folks and hipsters want to buy their espresso and muffins in a new neighbourhood?

You want overpriced, SUV stroller, afternoon pilates and latte's, neighbourhood "vanilla"? We've already got that, it's called Yorkville, and you can get there on the subway.
Karen / September 16, 2009 at 01:00 pm
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As a long-term resident in the community I can tell you that we have way bigger problems with the small "restaurants" along that section of Queen that actually serve no food but a lot of beer at a cheap price and inevitably become the source for scuffles, fights, passed out people on the sidewalks, petty crime, etc. I don't give Jilly's a second thought but I do take a wide berth around those places so as not to get hit by an errant beer bottle.
Gillian / September 16, 2009 at 01:09 pm
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I agree with G Smith. I was one of the early condo dwellers to move into West Queen West and I like how the condos brought more people and pedestrian traffic to the neighbourhood, making places like Trinity-Bellwoods park safer after dark. But I also agree with anon. A bit of gentrification brings a diverse mix of people, uses and incomes, but then too much gentrification crosses the line into bland and boring. Too bad there isn't a freeze button we can hit at just the right time. Maybe Jilly's is that freeze button for Riverside.
J replying to a comment from Darcy McGee / September 16, 2009 at 01:17 pm
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Jilly's and hot chicks should never be used together in the same sentence. This place is where old strippers go to retire.
sprinks / September 16, 2009 at 02:03 pm
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more strip clubs, less of toronto's hippie bullshit.
Natalie / September 16, 2009 at 02:13 pm
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Has anyone ever seen anyone come IN or OUT of Jillies? I have stood at that streetcar stop at all hours, and not once have been harassed or seen any debauchery as a result of it being there. Richmond st 2am is infinitely worse.

Personally, it's a part of the Toronto landscape, and it IS kind of a good laugh to commute to work first thing in the morning. The posters are tacky, outdated and from the feedback on this board, clearly inaccurate.

The only people that are REALLY losing their bananas about it are the ones who aren't getting to build a condo there. Otherwise.. shrug, I don't lose any sleep over it.
Reality Check / September 16, 2009 at 02:31 pm
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So shocking to see wannabe hipsters screaming about yuppie scum. Not that they ever gentrified an neighbourhood - stroller brigade indeed.

Jilly's is a hole, and the signs are truly horrible. As to FYEO & King W - they don't clean their sidewalk and the "talent" is atrocious. With the uber gentrification of the area they could really give Brass Rail a run for its money but they don't. FYEO is of course not long for this world, simply waiting on a large enough offer. They'll be demolished once Freed's done with Travelodge.

It will be nice once Toronto has gone full NYC, and all the trash is forced out to Scarborough.
Jonathan / September 16, 2009 at 05:43 pm
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I noticed the headline was rewritten for T.O.Night to exclude the word stain. Too bad they didn't correct the spelling of Taste of Tandooree.
Jonathan / September 16, 2009 at 05:45 pm
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"It will be nice once Toronto has gone full NYC, and all the trash is forced out to Scarborough."

An we have segregated bike lanes on University Avenue.
damian d / September 16, 2009 at 06:05 pm
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jilly's sucks
Chester Pape / September 16, 2009 at 06:40 pm
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The problem with Jilly's isn't so much that it's a (bad) strip club. Cheaters and FYEO almost blend into the background, oh you can tell the nature of the business if you look close but you never have to deal with a sun faded picture of a barely clad porn star who retired in the 80s and is in reality older than most of your mothers, and more pointedly the "samples" that hand out by the side entrance on Broadview any time the temperature gets above 35C, Jilly's is out there loud and proud.
hold on / September 16, 2009 at 10:26 pm
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Riverside????

Who came up with this bullshit. Its riverdale - south riverdale.

Who the hell calls it riverside?
Chester Pape / September 17, 2009 at 01:16 am
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No, the original neighborhoods were, Riverdale is North of Gerrard, South Riverdale (which is sort of like North Beaches) extends south to Dundas. Back in the day what they now call Riverside was called Woodgreen, then the BIA came along and went for "Queen Broadview Village"
Gloria replying to a comment from hold on / September 17, 2009 at 09:24 am
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I dunno ... people who've lived there for more than five years? It's an old name, and from what I understand, mostly refers to the area next to the Don River extending across to Degrassi or Empire, from Queen to Dundas. I do enjoy how everyone claims to live in Riverdale now, even if they couldn't score a house in Riverdale proper.
A neighbour / September 17, 2009 at 11:58 am
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As a neighbour to Jillies I have two problems with the current establishment:
1. The use of the building.
2. The hub for crack addict.

Generally speaking I have no problem with the diversity in the neighbourhood and with the existing of a strip club. The issues with the current Jillies are:

1. It is a shame that such landmark, heritage building that is the main symbolic icon of the neighbourhood is so unmaintained, neglected almost and dirty. If not an hotel I totally think that this place should host the BIA offices, open galleries, community centre or whatever. If Jillies want to stay so please respect the place and maintain it.

2. Everyone talk about the strip club as a problem. However the problem is that this place rents rooms for crack addicts and became a hub for crime and drugs. I know we are talking about people in need and despair, but when you are a neighbour the meets these people in your back yard at 4am going through your stuff along side with raccoons, you loose your compassion. There are many kids in this area and Jillies tenants bring drug dealing to every other corner. Regardless the strip club this is wrong and a problem.
keven replying to a comment from A neighbour / September 17, 2009 at 12:37 pm
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Jilly's was there long before you. If you don't want crack heads rummaging through your garbage, why on earth would you move next door to it?

Drug dealing to every corner? That's a pretty huge exaggeration. I live in the area and have not encountered what you're speaking of. Jilly's isn't the epicentre of drug dealing in the hood, trust me.

And I'd like to point out, that your opinion on what Jilly's 'should be' is irrelevant. Until such a time that you hold the deed to the property, the current owners can do whatever the hell they want with it. You need to respect that.
EAST SIDER / September 17, 2009 at 06:58 pm
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blog to is censoring my comments

EAST SIDE 4 LIFE

STOP GENTRIFICATION

STAY REAL
infernalmachine / September 17, 2009 at 09:03 pm
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yeah, let's just gentrify the whole f8cking city so anyone that earns an actual down-to-earth paycheque has to move out to bumf8ck nowhere. GREAT IDEA.

jilly's can stay, especially because it makes brad lamb frustrated.
Zach Swan / September 17, 2009 at 09:19 pm
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Yes, it's time for Jilly's to go. Don't get me wrong - I'm perfectly fine with having a decent adult entertainment club in our neighborhood. Sadly, the change that Jilly's has undergone over the years has not been for the better, as it has elsewhere in the neighbourhood. No, where you used to be able to go and pay too much for a beer and check out some fine ladies (alright OKAY ladies), now the best you can hope for is to pay too much for a beer and see (to borrow a comment from another online reviewer) peelers with C-section scars and missing teeth. Every so often I'll muster up enough courage (or consume enough drink) to venture through those doors. Inevitably, 5 minutes later, I'll leave a half full beer on the bar and depart, as a 40 lbs over-weight stripper waddles onto the main stage and starts dropping her laundry.

Bye bye. It was fun while management made an effort.
Al / September 18, 2009 at 01:53 am
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Brad J Lamb is the man. That guy knows how to run a business.
kyliep / September 18, 2009 at 10:15 am
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gotta love the celebration of crime and despair that allows so many self-righteous hipsters to feel they're 'keeping it real' by defending miserable establishments like jilly's. apparently to many commenters here, if you want to raise a family, start a small business that caters to local food, artists, clothing manufacturers and designers, or just live in an affordable neighbhourhood in the city without having to shoo crack addicts out of your doorway or witness muggings, you're yuppie scum who don't appreciate the true grit and character of those who drink all day at a strip club.
Rico / September 18, 2009 at 11:11 pm
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Well, I think Jilly's should be sold and turned into something useful. All those in here promoting Jilly's, obviously don't go inside. They want raw, without having to taste it. It's a horrible dump, in a beautiful building.

You want other targets to shut down? The Duke. That crappy sports bar west of there by Jones, and the other place across the street. And Tasty Chicken. And the Queen Bar & Grill. I can't wait until the drug addicts and the 70's fallout people have no place to go to get their fix, and head out to Scarbage to hang with their sisterwives.

The stabbings, shootings and assaults that happen on Queen and area is just disgusting. And no "we were here first" doesn't give anybody any reason to continue that type of behaviour. Validating one's ability to become a low life is pure horse shit. As far as I'm concerned, anybody that does that crap can leave Canada.
Ex Beacher / September 19, 2009 at 06:44 am
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Learn to live with diversity. Don't practice neighbourhood eugenics. If you want to live in a bubble move somewhere else.
kyilep replying to a comment from Rico / September 19, 2009 at 09:10 am
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amen.
Rico replying to a comment from Ex Beacher / September 19, 2009 at 01:52 pm
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Eugenics? I want the stabbings, shootings, assaults, and wandering drug addicts to go away. How about I send them to your house? That isn't diversity. Diversity comes from the businesses sprouting up in Leslieville, not people that should be in treatment of some sort. If you call having safety a bubble, then you need to realize where all our legislation tries to protect. I think perhaps you missed something.

And considering your nic is "Ex Beacher", you of all people would know what a bubble is. The Beach is a horrible bubble. If the morons in the neighbourhood want to do that kind of stuff, THEY can live somewhere else, in a hood of their own where they all do the same crap.
Ex Beacher replying to a comment from Rico / September 19, 2009 at 02:43 pm
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You should live somewhere else then. Live in the squeaky clean Beach or perhaps the recently gentrified Riverdale. Not all of us want organic, fair trade wine bar generic bullshit cluttering up our urban landscape.

Stop imposing your flimsy values and sell now while your property is worth something .
m / September 19, 2009 at 03:31 pm
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toronto is like a teenager that is afraid to get a haircut because it will turn him into "the man".

i'm no fan of the ideologically offensive condos (single-generational, poor quality and bland), but fighting for jilly's!?!? come on people!!!

let's pick our fights and actually win them.
A neighbour / September 19, 2009 at 06:53 pm
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Don't overuse the word: "diversity".

Many of the commenter used the July's issue to start an irrelevant "fight" with the "newcomers" to the neighbourhood, while using diversity as an excuse.

Diversity express the positive mix of people, cultures, opinions etc.

You cannot use the excuse of diversity to expect people to accept illegal activity! There is a law in this country and it apply to all people, old and new and from whatever background.

There are schools in the neighbourhood. There are many children in the neighbourhood from all soft of families, higher income and lower income. Children of yuppies and children who live in community housing. No child here whatever his background should be exposed to illegal activity! Drug dealing, crack addicts, stubbing, shooting, gangs activity etc etc it's all wrong and has no place in our streets. This is not about diversity it's about law and values.

All those comments about "us" vs "they" have nothing to do with the strip club that supposed to be the main subject for this discussion.
Rico replying to a comment from Ex Beacher / September 20, 2009 at 02:30 am
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Well that shows what you know. The Beach isn't squeaky clean. And I have lived there. I've lived in neighbourhoods in Toronto all my life, most of which are just fine. If you think non-organic fair trade wine bar generic stuff is the opposite to drug addicts, then you should get some education. Or, you should move to East Hastings in Vancouver to find your kind. My values are much higher than yours, as you have demonstrated.

Stop borrowing a computer and get off the street. You support pathetic people. A person was stabbed 200 feet from where I was having a conversation with a business owner a couple of nights ago, and you come in here and support it. The next one I hope happens to you so that you change you stupid song, because you're ignorant, uneducated, inexperienced, and think you are some kind of cool. Honestly I think you are an idiot.

Oh, and my property has increased in value over the past year. I guess you have little education in that area as well. You obviously have little grasp of reality.
Ex Beacher replying to a comment from Rico / September 20, 2009 at 04:42 pm
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You and your assumptions are hilarious! Thanks for the laugh and the clear indication of who I'm wasting my words on. Good luck bubble boy!
Ex Beacher replying to a comment from Rico / September 20, 2009 at 04:52 pm
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Oh yes and I forgot anger which is very unbecoming of the person you purport to be. Although it is satisfying nonetheless!

Oh and by the way, wishing someone to be stabbed? Are you in Grade 3 by any chance?
Marlon / September 27, 2009 at 09:55 pm
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While jilly's might be a dump and a waste of a nice building, apparently they have enough of a following to stay afloat. How about natural selection? I think idiots like Rico are disliked for the exact reason that they think their way supercedes the nature of a neighborhood. It is what it is. It's not your decision. Maybe one day it'll close or more hopefully just class up a little, but to be all hissy about something you have no control over is pathetic and indicates a childlike sense of entitlement.
Rico / September 27, 2009 at 11:09 pm
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Well, let me reply. First, I'm not an idiot. Far from it. Quite well educated in fact.

And this isn't about preference for my own choice. It's about the fact the place is an eyesore. It's a lovely building, but have you ever been inside? I have. It's highly pathetic. Quite sad actually. But I guess you missed that part.

If you haven't figured out the Internet yet, it's a place where people have opinions and discuss them openly. It's not entitlement, it's opinion, especially for people that actually speak up. You think people like me are just going to sit back and shut up because you want your slums to continue? You have no clue.

Also, like I said, I agreed with the fact that Jilly's isn't the big problem in Leslieville. It's the violent people, the drug addicts, and the law breaking which should be focussed on.

Having the ability to read can really make a difference in your life. Perhaps try it before calling people childlike. It's you that looks like a complete fool. And try to not get so personally challenged when someone expresses an opinion. As a surprise to you, I think a lot of people would like to see Jilly's move on.
Marlon / September 28, 2009 at 06:30 am
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My sincere apologies 'rico' I thought this blog was about jilly's. I'm happy to hear that a well educated 'rico' such as yourself frequents jilly's. I personally try to be the change I'd like to see as opposed to whining about it on messageboards. It's not my 'slum' and I wouldn't like to see it continue but I also wouldn't suggest the mentally ill who were born and raised in this neighbourhood be displaced for my own comfort. 'rico' you originally used terms like 'sisterwives' and 'Scarbage' clearly you are a hateful young lady. Its unfortunate that your 'education' was unable to give you compassion for the disadvantaged. I hope one day you find love for your fellow man.
Rico / September 28, 2009 at 06:44 am
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I never said I frequent it. I said I have been there. And I'm not whining. I said I'd like to see it change. But I guess in your world you don't want to hear other people's opinions unless they agree with yours. Nice little world that is. With regards to the crap that happens in Leslieville/Riverside, yes I am indeed quite hateful to that stuff. Anybody that respects their own safety and the safety of their neighbourhood should hate it. I have no compassion for people who attack others. I have little time for people who attack me, my education, and tell me I have to be "compassionate" for people that shoot, stab, rob, and simply act for themselves. Compassion, heh. Compassion is only such under suitable environments, and I hardly consider these people to be mentally ill.

Oh, and the hand-out environment we live in, has done little to solve problems for these people. Their attitude is a big part of it, and while you sign them up for being mentally ill, I find them perfectly capable of changing their lives, under their own will. But I don't see that will there. I guess with people like you around, you repeat that their lives are just fine.
keven replying to a comment from Rico / September 28, 2009 at 01:32 pm
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One Mind.
One Voice.
Welcome to the belly of the beast.
b robert / March 7, 2010 at 12:29 am
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come on kids stop your squawking
a little appreciation for what is
that's more like it a li'l harmony
and please remember the historic past
the things we might take for granted yet
hope that things will change for the better
look around and see how much work needs doin

dingmans hall and sunlight park will live again
spook / April 8, 2010 at 02:22 am
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"By the way, if you think it's ever going anywhere, take a moment and think about who actually might control it."
Parba replying to a comment from spook / April 8, 2010 at 03:23 am
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A neighbourhood could close something like this down if they wanted.
b robert / April 10, 2010 at 06:07 pm
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there is a question of taste here I'm sure
yet the question is a social one as well
the genius of the neighborhood across
the river unappreciated distrust &
fear hide in the dark yet there
is a museums treasure in each
shop window on the road to
toronto centre right on
the river flows into
the lake the
ancient
clubhouses by the lake
the view from the tower
daze / May 25, 2010 at 08:57 pm
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Jilly's isn't going any where get the hell over it really you can bitch all you want but trust me its here to stay I look forward to my next vist and oh my i might even spend the night suck it up Jilly's was here before you and will be here after your gone!
b robert / May 25, 2010 at 10:57 pm
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shhhhh go to sleep now
Beaches420 replying to a comment from kyliep / October 27, 2010 at 11:44 am
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thats correct, why do you get to talk down to them about their lifestyle but not the other way around...yuppie scum...
Rico replying to a comment from Beaches420 / October 27, 2010 at 11:56 am
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Uh...because stripping for chump change isn't a lifestyle. It's a last resort, forced upon them because of a lifetime of bad decisions. The "stripper" that sat down with us, demanded to have a drink, said her 3 kids were taken from her because her husband was a jerk. Lifestyle? LOL. Yuppies bringing up the hood.
daze / October 27, 2010 at 12:30 pm
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Yuppies bringing up the hood you got to be kidding me. To be clear I'm female,not a stripper a mother and prior to my kids a government employee.Who are you to declare your self superior to a life style you clearly don't understand from talking to one girl as she gave lap dances to you.Stop and think about it. I can only imagine you were the ones who were also scared of the bikers.you are sad.
Rico replying to a comment from daze / October 27, 2010 at 12:43 pm
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LOL superior? Let's return to the old adage: Money talks, bullshit walks. The influx of people with money has Leslieville in the news on a constant basis. In the Western World, we rely on an economy. Strippers rely on an economy. Most lap dancers earn money to go to school, so they don't have to lap dance. They aren't there because they want to get raunchy with strange men. You stop and think about it. Bikers? LOL. Two LOLs in 1 post. Well done.
jilly replying to a comment from No High Rise Condo's / December 19, 2010 at 02:45 pm
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jilly,s is tghe only plase that you can have fun. is the bast place around here
vadym / March 3, 2011 at 11:47 pm
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i dont know why people hate on this place.. some of the girls are fitt, and can work that pole. some girls are the same quality that you would find at brassrail, but the beers are wayyy cheaper 7 something domestic and 3.75 on their specials. cheep beers and nice girls.. worth a shot. i had a blast.

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