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Jilly's Remains a Stain on Revitalized Riverside. Can Organic Eats and Lap Dances Co-Exist?
With even the smallest houses selling for close to half a million dollars, the neighbourhood that calls itself Riverside - after going through a couple of name changes - has finally achieved the gentrification that was so confidently predicted for it; although it took a lot longer than anyone imagined.
Centred on the intersection of Queen East and Broadview, the neighbourhood sat out the '80s and most of the '90s in the same state that it spent the '60s and '70s - an almost perfectly preserved Victorian streetscape, with an inventory of buildings and storefronts that have mostly been landmarked by the city. Prime among them is the red sandstone hotel that houses Jilly's, the strip club that was once the area's prime attraction.
"It's changed a lot, even in the last year," says Peter Gress, manager at Carbon Computing, which has called Riverside its home for six years - back when it was still called Queen Broadview Village. Gress says that there's much more street traffic, much of it young couples with children in strollers, and Carbon is selling more iPods, docks and printer ink than it did before.
Jilly's is fated to be more and more of a poor fit in an area like this. Pavel Sokol runs Lucaffe, which has a prime corner spot in the historic Poulton Block, and reflects that "similar establishments all over the city are closing down." And while Jilly's might have had its place twenty years ago, "we have all moved on."
Elizabeth Andrews of the Riverside BIA sighs at the persistent rumours that a boutique hotel like the Gladstone or Drake might make over the Jilly's building. "Wow, that would be great. But it's not going to happen just yet." The BIA negotiated with the owners to take down the neon and backlit porn star portraits and give the place a burlesque-y makeover, but the strip bar backed out at the last minute.
The Jilly's building is such a neighbourhood landmark that nothing can be built higher than its peaked tower, which has frustrated developers including reality TV realtor Brad Lamb. "You have to see the peak of Jilly's coming from anywhere." In the meantime, Andrews is focused on attracting services for locals, like a grocery store that she thinks would be ideal in the long-vacant storefront that once housed a funeral home.
Personally, she'd love to see a shoe store, but is content that after finally achieving its long sought-for renewal, Riverside is going somewhere. "It's the hope of change - everybody wants to see change."


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"Gentrification's high rents squeeze out beloved independent shops!"
Careful what you wish for.
Pee on Dundas West and strip bars in Riverside. Any other neighbourhoods you would like to make over on behalf of new-to-the-area business owners?
Some won't be happy until the very sense of vitality that draws them to any given area gets pushed out; they'll suck up all the stored cultural capital of an area and replace it with shoe stores, doggie spas and high-end baby clothes retailers. And then you've got yet another Beach. Or Queen West. Or Ossington. And then people will stand around blinking, thinking "gee, it's not very interesting here anymore." And they'll move on to another area, like a cloud of locusts.
I'm not anti-gentrification, necessarily. I just wish the results weren't so consistently boring.
I actually like the Quad. It used to be a run-down laundry wholesaler, or something. Never knew. It was always locked up with filthy windows. It's not a very attractively built building to start with, and I think the matte black paint is a pretty good approach.
It's definitely changed a lot in one year. The gentrification ball was rolling several years ago, but it went into lightspeed in the past twelve months. The business owner is right -- tons more families and pedestrians in general.
I miss the old airbrush portraits Jilly's has up; they had this great, slightly retro 70s/80s feel. The "girls, girls, girls!" signs also fit in the building's roundels. All this distinguished them from places like Zanzibar. The new photos and slapped-up signs are just freakin' awful.
I'm intrigued to hear the BIA had a deal with them to give them a more non-intrusive makeover. Too bad Jilly's backed out. It's not so much the "strip club"-ness than the blatant, gaudy signage.
Then we'll finally be world classy.
I'm going to have to agree with Anon on this one, and I honestly couldn't have said it better myself. I dread all these new "hot" areas popping up because I know it's only a matter of time before they're essentially ruined with condos (thanks Lamb), over-crowding, and those who own Pugs and funny looking bikes.
Calling it a stain is a bit much, and certainly more than a bit editorial for a headline. Businesses survive as long as either a) there's a market for their product/service or b) the owner is willing to subsidize losses. One or the other must be true in the case of Jilly's, if not both, and as long as the city doesn't go full-on vanilla and legislate strip clubs out of business, it'll stay there. Anyone who moves into the area and then complains about it is ridiculous; it's like the people who complain about all those noisy airplanes after they move into Rexdale.
I also had a friend who used to work as a bouncer for Jilly's years ago - he said the food was surprisingly good, but he made sure to avoid eye-contact with the "talent" (they were not so good.) He hilariously described himself sitting in the corner, trying to eat his food as fast has he could, while shielding his eyes from the stage.
I do not think that it is fair to suggest that anyone who is new to an area wants to sanitize it; to the contrary, some of us are just hoping for a viable way to become part of it.
Good times. Good times indeed.
You want overpriced, SUV stroller, afternoon pilates and latte's, neighbourhood "vanilla"? We've already got that, it's called Yorkville, and you can get there on the subway.
Personally, it's a part of the Toronto landscape, and it IS kind of a good laugh to commute to work first thing in the morning. The posters are tacky, outdated and from the feedback on this board, clearly inaccurate.
The only people that are REALLY losing their bananas about it are the ones who aren't getting to build a condo there. Otherwise.. shrug, I don't lose any sleep over it.
Jilly's is a hole, and the signs are truly horrible. As to FYEO & King W - they don't clean their sidewalk and the "talent" is atrocious. With the uber gentrification of the area they could really give Brass Rail a run for its money but they don't. FYEO is of course not long for this world, simply waiting on a large enough offer. They'll be demolished once Freed's done with Travelodge.
It will be nice once Toronto has gone full NYC, and all the trash is forced out to Scarborough.
An we have segregated bike lanes on University Avenue.
Who came up with this bullshit. Its riverdale - south riverdale.
Who the hell calls it riverside?
1. The use of the building.
2. The hub for crack addict.
Generally speaking I have no problem with the diversity in the neighbourhood and with the existing of a strip club. The issues with the current Jillies are:
1. It is a shame that such landmark, heritage building that is the main symbolic icon of the neighbourhood is so unmaintained, neglected almost and dirty. If not an hotel I totally think that this place should host the BIA offices, open galleries, community centre or whatever. If Jillies want to stay so please respect the place and maintain it.
2. Everyone talk about the strip club as a problem. However the problem is that this place rents rooms for crack addicts and became a hub for crime and drugs. I know we are talking about people in need and despair, but when you are a neighbour the meets these people in your back yard at 4am going through your stuff along side with raccoons, you loose your compassion. There are many kids in this area and Jillies tenants bring drug dealing to every other corner. Regardless the strip club this is wrong and a problem.
Drug dealing to every corner? That's a pretty huge exaggeration. I live in the area and have not encountered what you're speaking of. Jilly's isn't the epicentre of drug dealing in the hood, trust me.
And I'd like to point out, that your opinion on what Jilly's 'should be' is irrelevant. Until such a time that you hold the deed to the property, the current owners can do whatever the hell they want with it. You need to respect that.
EAST SIDE 4 LIFE
STOP GENTRIFICATION
STAY REAL
jilly's can stay, especially because it makes brad lamb frustrated.
Bye bye. It was fun while management made an effort.
You want other targets to shut down? The Duke. That crappy sports bar west of there by Jones, and the other place across the street. And Tasty Chicken. And the Queen Bar & Grill. I can't wait until the drug addicts and the 70's fallout people have no place to go to get their fix, and head out to Scarbage to hang with their sisterwives.
The stabbings, shootings and assaults that happen on Queen and area is just disgusting. And no "we were here first" doesn't give anybody any reason to continue that type of behaviour. Validating one's ability to become a low life is pure horse shit. As far as I'm concerned, anybody that does that crap can leave Canada.
And considering your nic is "Ex Beacher", you of all people would know what a bubble is. The Beach is a horrible bubble. If the morons in the neighbourhood want to do that kind of stuff, THEY can live somewhere else, in a hood of their own where they all do the same crap.
Stop imposing your flimsy values and sell now while your property is worth something .
i'm no fan of the ideologically offensive condos (single-generational, poor quality and bland), but fighting for jilly's!?!? come on people!!!
let's pick our fights and actually win them.
Many of the commenter used the July's issue to start an irrelevant "fight" with the "newcomers" to the neighbourhood, while using diversity as an excuse.
Diversity express the positive mix of people, cultures, opinions etc.
You cannot use the excuse of diversity to expect people to accept illegal activity! There is a law in this country and it apply to all people, old and new and from whatever background.
There are schools in the neighbourhood. There are many children in the neighbourhood from all soft of families, higher income and lower income. Children of yuppies and children who live in community housing. No child here whatever his background should be exposed to illegal activity! Drug dealing, crack addicts, stubbing, shooting, gangs activity etc etc it's all wrong and has no place in our streets. This is not about diversity it's about law and values.
All those comments about "us" vs "they" have nothing to do with the strip club that supposed to be the main subject for this discussion.
Stop borrowing a computer and get off the street. You support pathetic people. A person was stabbed 200 feet from where I was having a conversation with a business owner a couple of nights ago, and you come in here and support it. The next one I hope happens to you so that you change you stupid song, because you're ignorant, uneducated, inexperienced, and think you are some kind of cool. Honestly I think you are an idiot.
Oh, and my property has increased in value over the past year. I guess you have little education in that area as well. You obviously have little grasp of reality.
Oh and by the way, wishing someone to be stabbed? Are you in Grade 3 by any chance?
And this isn't about preference for my own choice. It's about the fact the place is an eyesore. It's a lovely building, but have you ever been inside? I have. It's highly pathetic. Quite sad actually. But I guess you missed that part.
If you haven't figured out the Internet yet, it's a place where people have opinions and discuss them openly. It's not entitlement, it's opinion, especially for people that actually speak up. You think people like me are just going to sit back and shut up because you want your slums to continue? You have no clue.
Also, like I said, I agreed with the fact that Jilly's isn't the big problem in Leslieville. It's the violent people, the drug addicts, and the law breaking which should be focussed on.
Having the ability to read can really make a difference in your life. Perhaps try it before calling people childlike. It's you that looks like a complete fool. And try to not get so personally challenged when someone expresses an opinion. As a surprise to you, I think a lot of people would like to see Jilly's move on.
Oh, and the hand-out environment we live in, has done little to solve problems for these people. Their attitude is a big part of it, and while you sign them up for being mentally ill, I find them perfectly capable of changing their lives, under their own will. But I don't see that will there. I guess with people like you around, you repeat that their lives are just fine.
One Voice.
Welcome to the belly of the beast.
a little appreciation for what is
that's more like it a li'l harmony
and please remember the historic past
the things we might take for granted yet
hope that things will change for the better
look around and see how much work needs doin
dingmans hall and sunlight park will live again
yet the question is a social one as well
the genius of the neighborhood across
the river unappreciated distrust &
fear hide in the dark yet there
is a museums treasure in each
shop window on the road to
toronto centre right on
the river flows into
the lake the
ancient
clubhouses by the lake
the view from the tower