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Does Poutine Mark a New Beginning for the Dundas-Sherbourne Corridor?

Posted by Derek Flack / September 8, 2009

Filmore's Strip Club Dundas Sherbourne JarvisAfter nearly a year in business serving curry and nacho versions of Quebec's famous dish, Smoke's Poutinerie owner Ryan Smolkin is set to open his second location later this month directly across from the infamous Filmore's strip club at 203 Dundas East. It's pretty much smack dab in the middle of a part of the city known more for guns and girls than gourmet anything.

In fact, a recent article in the Toronto Star ranked the Dundas-Sherbourne corridor the worst in Toronto for violent crime. Crack dealers, strippers and scores of homeless are all part of the mix.

Smoke's Poutinerie Dundas-SherbourneWondering if all the negative press this neighbourhood's received is accurate, I caught up with Smolkin to chat about his venture and his newly adopted surroundings.

When I ask him some of the reasons for selecting this new 'hood, it's pretty clear he's done his homework. Smolkin fires off a slew of qualities that attracted him to the area. "First off, it's central; only a short walk from Dundas Square. And the proximity to Ryerson is a real plus. I see a lot of young professionals in the area... way more than some people would have you believe. Of course, there's a seedy element, but that's not everyone on the street. There's an eclectic mix of people here. It's a totally untapped market."

The area is also chock-full of tourists staying at the three hotels in the immediate vicinity. And while I would imagine most of them head west rather than east of Jarvis when they leave to explore the city, the truth is that poutine is quite the attraction for those looking to sample some authentic Canadian cuisine.

Dundas and SherbourneAs we continue it becomes pretty clear that an intriguing combination of pragmatism and idealism mark Smolkin's observations.

"This is one of the few areas in Toronto's core that's priced at fair-market value. And gentrification is always taking place. I'm not interested in the past. It's the future I care about."

It appears he's not the only one. A new condo is slated for development a few footsteps west and the provincial government has recently purchased the former Sears office building at 222 Jarvis. They plan to share the space with the ever-expanding Ryerson.

"I think it's a good sign", suggests Smolkin. "As the area around Jarvis gets redeveloped, I'm confident it'll spread."

And he's playing his own part in this process. "I believe in the neighbourhood so much that I bought the whole building." Beyond the street-oriented restaurant, Smolkin is relocating his office space and catering division to Dundas as well. He also has plans to make it the home base for his soon-to-launch mobile unit, a sort of souped up chip truck that'll make the rounds to events and hot spots throughout the city.

Sherbourne and DundasOne thing is certain - he isn't second guessing his decision to locate here. And he can cite some positive signs that he's already seen. "When I redid the stucco on my building, my neighbor decided to as well. There's something infectious about taking care of your property."

Perhaps it's this very optimism that the area so desperately needs? Instead of extra police officers maybe we just need more intrepid entrepreneurs?

"Come and talk to me in five years," Smolkin says. "I have great faith that this neighbourhood will succeed."

Discussion

39 Comments

Greg J. Smith / September 8, 2009 at 10:00 am
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Is poutine shorthand for gentrification now? Somebody should get Richard Florida working on this, methinks this field of inquiry is ripe for some squeaky maps and graphs.
Mark / September 8, 2009 at 10:00 am
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With this, and George's BBQ across the street, I'm going to get even fatter.
Alison / September 8, 2009 at 10:01 am
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Good on him for seeing the potential and for helping jump-start the revitalization of the area! Just another reason to eat there.. and it's pretty close to me. Looks like I'll need to stock up on elastic waistbanded pants..
Ugogurl / September 8, 2009 at 10:05 am
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Wow, this will be an awesome addition to the area that has more to offer than people realize. He certainly has done his homework about the area and the plethora of interesting (&sometimes scary) people that populate it's streets.

There are some little eateries in that Dundas to Wellsley & Parliment to Yonge section that never get enough press.

And yes, every time I visit the area, it's an adventure to say the least as no matter the time of day (more active after dark)you never know what/who your gonna get.

Can't wait for opening day
Cheers
Godspeed / September 8, 2009 at 10:12 am
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I live in the neighbourhood... and I wish him all the best of luck. That intersection, and George Street in general, is a real shit hole.
Jeff / September 8, 2009 at 10:12 am
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"Corridor"? Looks like we have a scholar on our hands.
DS / September 8, 2009 at 10:25 am
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I saw a commercial being filmed here not too long ago and was surprised to see that Smokes was going up in the area. Next thing you know, Starbucks will move in and Filmores will hold indie rock and burlesque nights.

Spyder / September 8, 2009 at 10:44 am
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Junkies hate poutine and toothpaste.
Alec Gogal / September 8, 2009 at 10:59 am
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This neighbourhood doesn't stand a chance. It's not just a shithole, it's a total cesspool filled with degenerates. Poutine to the rescue? Please, only one thing will save this area and that's demolition. Knock it all down and kick 'em all out.
Realist (mostly) / September 8, 2009 at 11:08 am
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Knock it all down? Not necessary. Gentrification starts one building at at time...
Gabney / September 8, 2009 at 11:17 am
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Q: Does Poutine Mark a New Beginning for the Dundas-Sherbourne Corridor?

A: NO IT DOESN'T. I means a new restaurant is in the area.
B. / September 8, 2009 at 11:32 am
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Oh gentrification!
Why, those bears don't belong here--we're going to put a civilized city here! Those bears will have to just go somewhere else.
Sure, they'll still exist somewhere else, but they won't bother us.
beingsilly / September 8, 2009 at 11:34 am
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Do bears live south of Carlton?
Ratpick replying to a comment from DS / September 8, 2009 at 12:11 pm
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"Next thing you know .... Filmores will hold indie rock and burlesque nights."

Ha! Exactly what I was thinking, though I always thought it would happen down at Jilly's first.

Realist (mostly) / September 8, 2009 at 12:26 pm
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While Smoke's may not be part of the gentrification, the article does point out that there are signs of it (new condos going in, old Sears building being repurposed). Typically gentrification starts out fairly slowly and goes in fits and starts, and then hits a critical mass at a certain point. Smoke's will probably help, especially if it's replacing an empty storefront (I don't remember if the Chinese restaurant it seems to be replacing was open the last few times I walked by there).

Neighborhoods worse than this one have been gentrified, I should add (such as Hell's Kitchen in NYC).
640k / September 8, 2009 at 12:28 pm
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From a look at a map of the area, one thing that might help it improve is more frequent East-West streets. In "The Death and Life of Great American Cities", Jane Jacobs observed that frequent streets help improve the safety of a neighbourhood by increasing the mixture and use of streets. Applied to this area, George St between Dundas and Gerrard looks to be approx 1000ft. Jacobs suggests that 200ft is a block length more likely to lead to a healthy street life.
Loozrboy / September 8, 2009 at 12:43 pm
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Well I wish him the best of luck in that location... but man, that's a looong 5 blocks from Dundas Square. I doubt many wandering tourists make it past Church. But still, it'll be a lot closer to me than the Adelaide location, so I'll be happy to do my bit to help them keep afloat during those rocky first few months :).
Mat / September 8, 2009 at 01:12 pm
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A short walk from Dundas Square it may be, but not a short walk that is made very frequently. I've been living at Bay and Dundas for 2.5 years now, and I could probably count on one hand the number of times I have walked that far down Dundas. I go west, I go north, I go south, I rarely go east. Why? Because there's nothing down there worth going to. Will Smoke's give me a reason to go that way? Unlikely, given that I'm not a big fan of their gravy.
Chester Pape / September 8, 2009 at 02:44 pm
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I give him a year, maybe 18 months, methinks the poor boy simply does not understand that there's a deep difference between the substance consumption issues in the entertainment district and those at the corner of crack street and men's shelter avenue, in the entertainment district he might have to clean up some puke occasionally on Saturday or Sunday, here if you want any hope of patronage from normals you have to clean the blood, spit, barf and shit off your sidewalk every morning, he'll tire of the constant cat and mouse games being played to keep the more aggressive of the neighbourhood boulavariers from hassling his customers and the fact that the local 'stab is of little help in this matter, similarly being at ground zero of the lowest rung of street prostitution he'll grow tired of interacting with those people and the materials they leave behind on the sidewalk and in his alley. This particular neighbourhood's problems are more deep seated and difficult than a little gentrification can solve, this is where you go when gentrification has pushed you out of everywhere else, it's squeezed on all sides and is concentrating and intensifying as a result, the toughest reality is that the more of the right things you do to attack the root problems, creating more public housing elsewhere for example just removes the most recoverable of these people leaving behind the real tough nuts.
AnyoneaDr? / September 8, 2009 at 03:45 pm
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Im pretty sure I caught something just reading about that part of town.
Guess im buying some delouser after work.
Terrible location.
Brad / September 8, 2009 at 04:10 pm
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So many haters on this blog always. Where would you rather live, Woodbridge or Dundas and Jarvis. I've been in this area a hundred times and aside from dealing with a few beggars, nothing scary's happened to me. If everybody had such a shit attitude, nothing would ever improve. Way to go Smoke's. I'll back you.
Goodquestion / September 8, 2009 at 04:14 pm
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Tough choice. Woodbridge is full of tornadoes.
Transients or tornadoes. Impossible choice.
Oh wait, neither !
Mike / September 8, 2009 at 04:38 pm
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I've lived in this 'corridor' for years. I love it. Cheap rent, central location, close to TTC, all that jazz. It's not THAT bad, people! Unless I was a single female walking home late at night, I'd never be worried about this area. Come on, this is Toronto for pete's sake. There's too many 'fraidy cats around these parts.
your bubbe / September 8, 2009 at 04:43 pm
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Oy vey!
Chester Pape / September 8, 2009 at 05:12 pm
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When I was in school I lived in 201 Sherbourne for a while, I used to work very close to Jarvis and Dundas (one of my female coworkers was assaulted by a working girl because she thought she was working her turf) but I've been out of there for quite a while, when I pass through the neighbourhood now it's clear how much worse things are than they were even a decade ago, as evidenced by the crime stats. People who live with this stuff every day are like the proverbial frog in a pot of water, the changes are so incremental you don't notice them until it's too late and the water's boiling. As gentrification has pushed eastward from Yonge now reaching Jarvis it's just pushed everything tighter and tighter against the similar pressures north from Corktown and west from Regent Park, if it was just the beggars coming out of Fred Victor and Seaton House like it used to be that would be one thing, yah they are in the most part harmless to anyone but themselves, but the crackheads are an entirely different matter.
Sean Galbraith / September 8, 2009 at 05:19 pm
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I can tell when there is some "angry crack" on the street. Not long ago, a guy was randomly punching people on the sidewalk, and then decided to start wailing on a firetruck that was passing by. (Dundas and Jarvis)

That said, the area is definitely primed for redevelopment. The former Walnut Hall property is before the OMB for a 20 storey development; the businesses at the southwest corner of Jarvis and Dundas have been cleared out; and that parking lot south of Sears can't stay vacant forever.
Stef / September 8, 2009 at 05:22 pm
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Ahhh Yeah. Owwweyyy Goooey Goodness
saltspring / September 8, 2009 at 05:41 pm
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since when is poutine a gentrified dish? it's a shitload of fat cooked up by poor Quebecois with no teeth, mouths like ashtrays, and a case of pepsi beside them.

this joint fits right in with what's currently in the neighbourhood. shitholes attract shit food.
poutaint / September 8, 2009 at 06:09 pm
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Let them go there. We shouldn't forget that Smoke's is already the poutine equivalent of Dundas and Sherbourne.
Realist (mostly) / September 8, 2009 at 07:11 pm
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Uh, no one is suggesting that poutine itself has anything to do with gentrification. The customers that he's aiming at (who may or may not come) do, though. That and the fact that it's a reputable business in an area that doesn't have a lot of them.
meter pansbridge / September 8, 2009 at 08:48 pm
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There are a lot of younger people in the area (drawn by the cheap rent) and they might provide him with an adequate customer base, but I agree that few will venture there just for poutine, and the crazy riff-raff that'll be drawn to any popular venture might torpedo it.

There's the hooker harveys close by, what would this be? Pothead poutinerie?

Can't do anything but wish him luck, anyway. I really like his attitude.
plink / September 8, 2009 at 08:54 pm
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smoke's you ho this is all your fault
Sarah replying to a comment from Brad / September 8, 2009 at 09:27 pm
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HEY BRAD!!!

The bad neigborhood vibe is coming from the article post first. It talks about violent crime, crack heads etc.

Poutini's is great. I hope they have a successful restaurant BUT I wouldnt put saving the whole neighborhood on their shoulders.
Josh / September 8, 2009 at 11:25 pm
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Does the new Yonge and Dundas CityTV mark a new beginning for the Dundas-East corridor? Heck its just a walk over to Sherbourne for smokies.



Does the new Yonge and Dundas CityTV mark a new beginning for the Dundas-East corridor?
J&F / September 9, 2009 at 08:38 am
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Maybe the Jane & Finch region needs a poutine shop too??
If they think its gonna help clean up the mess of Dundas & Sherbourne hopefully it can clean up that skeeze hole as well.
Go figure...the French useful for something.
G Smith replying to a comment from Greg J. Smith / September 9, 2009 at 10:19 am
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Woah, you stole my name? This could get confusing.
toronto guy / September 9, 2009 at 11:23 am
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smokes poutine is highly overrated.

You are better off trekking to Caplansky's
Greg J. Smith replying to a comment from G Smith / September 9, 2009 at 10:32 pm
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@G Smith

I suggest you claim a middle initial. There are 25 left.
Magda O! replying to a comment from poutaint / October 8, 2009 at 10:49 pm
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Repost:



poutaint on September 8, 2009 at 6:09 PM

Let them go there. We shouldn't forget that Smoke's is already the poutine equivalent of Dundas and Sherbourne.


I totally agree. Hate Smoke's. Their veg gravy tastes like Costco BBQ sauce.

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