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Splitting the 501 Queen Streetcar Route in Two

Posted by Dennis Marciniak / July 29, 2009

501 queen streetcar ttcAt almost 25 kilometers in length, the 501 Queen is one of the TTC's longest routes. It is definitely one of the quickest ways to see much of Toronto in a few hours. As a kid I remember telling my parents that I was going to play at the park with friends. Once there, we would pool all the money we had and catch a ride on the 501. We weren't going anywhere specific; our eyes just wanted to see the city we never had the chance to see on our own. And it didn't matter that it was through the window of a streetcar.

Looking back at those experiences, I can't say it was the safest activity to do as a child, but it's certainly one that I'll never forget. Now that there's a resurgence of the idea of splitting the route into two, I'm not complaining. Although the trip is visually stimulating, there can be severe delays. If you've ever tried to use a schedule on the 501, you'll quickly realize how unreliable it actually is.

Traffic, detours, and construction are among just a few reasons why the 501 streetcars are almost never on time. In October, the TTC is planning to split the route into two - a trial that will be in effect until the end of the year. One route will depart from Long Branch and come back around at Parliament; while the other will start at Neville Park and find loop back from Shaw St. The goal of the project is to see if overlapping routes will alleviate congestion.

Riding the 501 many times, I've witnessed the traffic horrors first hand, but never fully understood how bad traffic can get backed up. I usually jump on the first streetcar that comes - never truly knowing how far back the next car is. This is why last night I decided to sit at the Humber Loop to see how often each vehicle came. I was looking at streetcars going westbound specifically because they would most likely accumulate the most problems.

So during rush hour I waited, and waited some more. After nearly 25 minutes, the first car finally came. As that vehicle was leaving to continue on route, another one came to let passengers off. This second streetcar pulled into the loop as a third pulled in, then to my surprise a fourth. Within 10 minutes, four vehicles had come and gone and for the next 35 minutes Humber Loop was a streetcar ghost town. This pattern would repeat itself for three hours until I called it quits.

humber loop ttcWhile watching, I asked a few operators what their thoughts were. One TTC operator, who wanted to remain anonymous, said "the backups cause me to rush my breaks at either end of 501 due to the amount of people waiting there." He went on to say, "...in an 8-hour shift, I may only get 20 minutes total in breaks." It seems that the length of the route is not only affecting customers but operators as well.

Although the 501 will always have a nostalgic place in my heart, after seeing it from a different perspective I've come to the conclusion that it needs a defiant overhaul. Luckily, I don't depend on the route daily anymore, but I definitely feel sorry for those who do. National Geographic voted the trip, as one of the world's top 10 most beautiful streetcar routes. Hopefully the project in the fall will fix the 30-minute gaps in service, even if our city has to divide one of its most eye-catching routes.

Discussion

28 Comments

Dawn / July 29, 2009 at 10:26 am
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When I first moved here, this was one of the first things I did. It showed me so much of Toronto on that trip, I loved every minute of it.
Cindy / July 29, 2009 at 11:11 am
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Although it is a beautiful route, something does need to be done to relieve congestion and I'm curious to see how this trial goes. The overlap sounds just about right.
Max / July 29, 2009 at 11:11 am
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I lived at Richmond and John for a year and it scarred me enough that I will not take the Queen Street car. Ever.
I won't go to bars out Queen West (I live east of Yonge) late at night because I know I won't be able to get back to the subway in time to get home.
I've spent more money on cabs because of the random service on this line.

This means I can try again!
Global H / July 29, 2009 at 11:31 am
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They have to do SOMETHING about this, especially for the people who live west of the Humber loop - we've been caught there for extended periods because the "Long Branch" car we got on downtown got short-turned at Humber, as well as many of the other cars behind it.

(Note to TTC: if you have to short turn some cars, short turn the cars at the FRONT rather than the ones at the back of a streetcar caravan. People getting off the cars at the front can wait a minute for the ones behind; short turning the ones at the back means a potential half hour wait, as noted in the article.)
Vic De Zen / July 29, 2009 at 11:32 am
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I've always enjoyed the scenery of the 501 Queen route but when I'm in a rush to an appointment or meeting unfortunately it is the most unreliable of all the public transit routes I have been on.
Duane / July 29, 2009 at 11:50 am
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I use to take the Queen Street car a lot when I went to Humber College for 3 years. I lived down by the Eaton Center then and still do to this day and never really had any major delays.

A couple times I had to wait at the Humber Loop but it was never that bad. Maybe this was mostly due to late night and early mornings for classes and working overnights at Humber's student resident. I think this is a great idea as I know more then a few friends have had issues with this street car run.
Luciano Galasso / July 29, 2009 at 12:02 pm
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I've actually never taken this streetcar but I can only imagine the frustration of others, especially during long waits. Although I will have to check out the ride one day before they vote on the split to see the sites the route has to offer!
Luciano Galasso
jamesmallon / July 29, 2009 at 12:12 pm
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Route splitting is long overdue. stevemunro.ca is the authority on transit in Toronto. What the streetcar routes really need is total left-turn bans on their routes, and some enforcement of that and other traffic infractions. We pay the cops enough in Toronto...

gadfly replying to a comment from jamesmallon / July 29, 2009 at 12:51 pm
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Banning left hand turns on all streetcar routes? How is that even possible? So, a taxi, car or truck going along Queen, for example, would have to drive to Etobicoke to turn left? Or a minimum of 3 right turns? Good grief! Left turn bans exist on more than 50% of the downtown streets as it is!
Perhaps getting rid of streetcars altogether and replacing them with trolleys (like we used to have!) would be a better solution, but that is one sacred cow that will never be slain.
We're just starting to get a taste of what a mess this city has become, due to the horrible way this city is laid out.
W. K. Lis / July 29, 2009 at 01:07 pm
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What will the two parts be named? LONG BRANCH and BEACH? QUEEN's original name was BEACH.
jamesmallon replying to a comment from gadfly / July 29, 2009 at 01:18 pm
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'gadfly', you've just admitted that the city functions well with left-turn bans... If people would just realise this is a CITY and plan their drive, or give up driving when possible...

Nevermind, this is Toronto, not a city.
nic / July 29, 2009 at 01:29 pm
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I think this is a brilliant, but over-due move on the TTC's part. That route can be hell.
Iain Dwyer / July 29, 2009 at 01:49 pm
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I'm glad they're trying something to reduce the delays. I used to take it past the Humber loop from Yonge for school, and my wife did something similar last year from Ossington. Half hour waits were not uncommon, and for her they could be even worse in winter (by Ossington the cars were often so full she couldn't get on).

Hopefully it works.
jennifer / July 29, 2009 at 01:50 pm
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I've lived along Queen West for 8 years and have taken the streetcar everywhere. I LOVE it and dread the day when I have to take the subway.
Rayanne Langdon / July 29, 2009 at 02:03 pm
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Didn't realize how many people took this route for fun! Definitely going to do this soon (and perhaps before it's too late)!
Ryan L. / July 29, 2009 at 02:04 pm
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In a perfect system we wouldn't need separate lines. This is merely just a quick bandaid solution (assuming it helps) for underlying problems.

It will help stop delays from rippling across the entire line, but because of the inevidibility of those underlying problems still causing problems you'll just end up with delays rippling across the west end line and delays rippling across the east end line.

I'm sure they'll be less severe individually, but what happens when someone's trip takes them across the transfer point?

30 minute delays in the old system might turn into 20 minute delays on both systems. Someone going from the Beaches to Etobicoke could end up having to deal with two 20 minute delays to get where they're going.

I suppose this is why they're doing a test; This idea might fix some problems, but end up creating problems that were never there to start.
Cindy replying to a comment from gadfly / July 29, 2009 at 02:07 pm
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In addition, wouldn't you (as the car stuck behind the streetcar waiting for someone to make a left) rather there be no left turns at major intersections?
SH / July 29, 2009 at 02:54 pm
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Ha! I used to do the same thing, say I was going to the park and then take the 501 just for the trip... and yes, in hindsight, probably not the safest thing.
Anyway, the 501 is great for me because if I want to go out late downtown I always know there was a way for me to get home at any hour... even though it could take AGES. I strongly doubt, however, that people are using the 501 for daily commutes between Long Branch and the Beaches. So if this actually delivers on promises to cut down on delays and make life easier for operators, why not! But personally, I think the bigger problem is the car traffic on Queen, and despite splitting the line we're still going to encounter massive delays.
Ryan L. replying to a comment from SH / July 29, 2009 at 03:43 pm
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You don't have to commute from one end of the line to the other to run into transfering problems, you just have to cross Parliament. Anyone commuting from the East end into downtown will have to switch. I imagine that is a significant number of people.

I have no problems with the new setup, but I hope that this is treated as just a short term temporary solution while the reasons behind the delays are addressed.
SH replying to a comment from Ryan L. / July 29, 2009 at 04:08 pm
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No, I don't think so... You have one that runs from Long Branch - Parliament (and back ) and one that runs from Neville Park - Shaw St. (and back), so on the Eastern run you've got the downtown core covered, no? At any right, yes...it seems ok, but by no means is it a solution!
Gloria replying to a comment from SH / July 29, 2009 at 04:18 pm
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I'd say on the Western run, it covers it fairly adequately too. Parliament is probably not the ideal spot (it's still technically fairly west to a lot of end-enders), but I can't think of another place to turn that isn't too far into the east-end. The next best one I can think of is Greenwood, since Broadview would require a huge detour.

I support left-turn bans on major routes. Restrict it to rush hours.

"Someone going from the Beaches to Etobicoke could end up having to deal with two 20 minute delays to get where they're going."

If you're going that far, take the subway. The bus connections are worth the possible streetcar delays.
Jonathan / July 29, 2009 at 04:23 pm
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How are they going to turn around at Parliament?
North, then east on Dundas to Broadview, then back down to Queen and west again? That's a huge loop.

For Shaw, I guess they have to loop Shaw to King to Dufferin to Queen.

Those are both long loops that will leave the cars out of service for quite a while.
Rachel replying to a comment from Ryan L. / July 29, 2009 at 04:39 pm
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The article says that cars coming from the east end will go as far as Shaw, right through downtown. I imagine most of the commuters from the Beach and Leslieville will be covered by that...
rek / July 29, 2009 at 08:43 pm
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I'm surprised this isn't already the case. When I worked on Queen East, on the occasion I'd take the streetcar downtown they always short turned at Shaw or McCaul or that general area.

I didn't take it often though, because the delays coming from the east were unbearable. I walked from Carlaw to Parliament once without being passed by a streetcar. That just shouldn't be possible.
Angus / July 29, 2009 at 08:56 pm
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This is a good idea to test, shorter routes are easier to keep on schedule.
I like the large overlap, Parliament to Shaw takes in all of downtown and more.
Toronto Icarus / July 29, 2009 at 09:57 pm
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Parliament can be a bottleneck at times though, and the queen streetcar isn't the only one with stupid delays. The College/Carlton/Gerrard route can be notoroiusly unreliable.
nippleholic / July 29, 2009 at 11:43 pm
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I actually hate how this route is purposely weighted towards west-enders. This is usually more obvious at night when many near-empty westbound cars pass by while I'm waiting for the inevitably packed eastbound car.

I waited over an hour and once walked from University to Sumach(!!!) before a streetcar passed by.
W. K. Lis / July 30, 2009 at 08:16 am
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There used to be a Mutual Street loop on Queen St. E., just west of Jarvis Street. It was the opposite for the McCaul Street loop. Why doesn't the TTC put a loop just east of Jarvis Street at the Moss Park Armoury. The roadway leading to the armoury off Queen could be used for part of the loop.

I guess its $$$$. So should the splitting of the 501 Queen streetcar work out, the TTC should consider building a new loop.

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