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Morning Brew: Some Garbage to be Cleared, Man Beaten to Death by 25 Men, Ease His Pain (Tell Him to Curse)

Posted by Joshua / July 13, 2009

hat manPhoto: "hat man" by torontocitylife, member of the blogTO Flickr pool.

What's happening in the GTA (and sometimes beyond):

The Ingram Transfer Station has been accepting garbage 24/7 since the strike began but with the unions slowing down access, some people have just been (illegally) dumping their waste outside the boundaries of the facility. The unions have blocked city attempts to clear the trash bags but now the province is blocking the union and letting the city safely clear up the garbage pile. Hopefully it's a perpetual injunction as it won't take long for the pile to re-form if the strike goes on another 3 weeks.

The show must go on! Caribana organizers are working to make sure the city strike and one of Toronto's biggest summer festivals mesh well: Tomorrow's launch will be moved to Yonge-Dundas Square, there may be two other venue changes, and the festival will need to hire cleanup crews. CBC Metro Morning Friday host Matt Galloway asked one festival organizer if the unions will picket certain events. The answer was an unconvincing 'no,' but how do you picket something like Caribana? I say let loose, join the party, and sign a deal.

Kristian Thanapalan was just a 23 year old who wanted to study at York U and play volleyball in the wee hours Friday night (Saturday morning), but as many as 25 other guys had another plan: beat Thanapalan to death with baseball and cricket bats. If police can make any more sense of this than me they're not saying anything... at least until their press conference later today.

Ouch. 9. Ouch. 1. Ouch. 1. That's about how it must have gone for the 28 year-old who fell into the well of a container car at the CP rail yard and found himself dragged 6 kilometres as he called the police. The mind boggles at the thought of how this would happen, but it starts to come into focus when you realize alcohol played a crucial role. Of course, so did the doctor who reattached the man's foot. I guess it's all the more reason not to drink in rail yards.

Hot damn, some good news for a change. This really is the good shit: new research findings suggest swearing does a body good. It seems dropping an 'f-bomb' helps reduce pain (tell that to the guy dragged by a train!), but The Star can't quite connect the value of John Baird's recent 'fuck off' comment.

Lots of stuff going on last weekend. Perhaps most ironic was the 10th birthday party at the CN Tower for SpongeBob SquarePants. The city could use a good sponge bath right now, and again after the garbage is collected.

Discussion

22 Comments

sniderscion / July 13, 2009 at 09:30 am
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No mention of the Bubble Battle on University? It was great!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sniderscion/sets/72157621334326374/
Joshua replying to a comment from sniderscion / July 13, 2009 at 09:35 am
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I should've. And I wanted a lead photo from it, but alas, I can't cover it all...
sniderscion / July 13, 2009 at 10:15 am
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True-it was a very busy weekend...Afrofest at Quuen's Park; Beats, Breaks, and Culture at Harbourfront; Indy; etc etc etc.
Joshua replying to a comment from sniderscion / July 13, 2009 at 10:21 am
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Yeah, and I also figure most of those are better captured in photos, which is hard in the Brew.
JJ / July 13, 2009 at 01:42 pm
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It says a lot about this city that people seem more preoccupied with a strike than over a man beaten to death in a park.
Suzie replying to a comment from JJ / July 13, 2009 at 02:14 pm
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Don't be fooled by what "seems like" than what actually is.
David Newland / July 13, 2009 at 02:56 pm
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This may seem tangential, but that photo bugs me.

As it happens, I met the gentleman with the cart the other day.

He's an affable fellow, and I enjoyed a conversation with him about all that goes into stocking his cart to maximize his "spread" and ensure he's got a little something for everything - all the while keeping it mobile by human power alone.

Yet here he is, labelled simply 'hat man', as if that were his title and station in life all at once. I doubt very much if he signed a model release, and maybe that's being nit-picky... but how hard would it have been to ask for, and use his name?
Mike W replying to a comment from David Newland / July 13, 2009 at 03:21 pm
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Without knowing the particular knowledge of the photographer, I can tell you the title of a photo doesn't always convey what people expect it to.

that guy replying to a comment from David Newland / July 13, 2009 at 03:51 pm
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I'd like to see your take on a title for this image.

To me titles for photos are labels, hat man or C0463, it doesn't matter. The title cant' describe what is in the image.

It took you 4-5 lines to describe the dude. Don't expect a title to do it.
David Newland / July 13, 2009 at 03:56 pm
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I call BS. The man's name would have made a fine title; you can use tags to indicate the photo's content.

The simple fact is, the subject of a photo has a right to be consulted on its use and in fact, has the right to demand permission, if not payment when the image is used in a commercial context.

Yeah, the web has made us all much more lackadaisical about this but I suggest this case amounts to belittling the subject.
that guy replying to a comment from David Newland / July 13, 2009 at 04:19 pm
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I call double dog BS.

The guys name means little, and honestly the picture is kind of pointless with no context. If this was a picture of a clown with balloons, the title would be Clown or Balloon man, not Stephen.
Hat guy is more descriptive, relevant and meaningful as a title. It's in no way belittleing, in public context we see people by their occupations and roles they serve in society.

Also, editorial usage of people requires no photo release, that the beauty that allows for street photography.
David Newland / July 13, 2009 at 04:30 pm
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Where we agree: the picture is kind of pointless with no context. It has none in this article.

Where we disagree: editorial usage of people requires no photo release. You're not illustrating a news story, you're just popping in content, and since you sell ads alongside it, that would be commercial use.

The gentleman in question would be within his rights to ask that it be removed from Flickr and your site. He is the owner of his own image.
that guy replying to a comment from David Newland / July 13, 2009 at 04:40 pm
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It doesn't work that way. I know some basic photo usage right because i do work on the commercial side of it. News publication require no releases for pretty much all the content they run because it is editorial and illustrative, regardless of the fact that they are making money from the ads.

Commercial use would be using the image in ads, or selling as stock (again wire services are exempt). This is also limited to public spaces.

Now people can take cases to court and argue this if a certain line is crossed.

This photo shows a large public area and illustrates the busy street, it serves a purpose, if poorly.
David Newland / July 13, 2009 at 04:42 pm
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You're a good man for engaging in the discourse Josh, and I appreciate it. I'd draw the lines in different places than you have for what constitutes illustration of news and what constitutes commercial use, but I'll stop bothering you now. Cheers.
Mike W / July 13, 2009 at 04:44 pm
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I'm no fan of street photography myself (as a few friends have told me "some creepy guy" was taking pictures of them on the street sometime), but the photog hardly took this photo with commercial intent.
Roger replying to a comment from David Newland / July 13, 2009 at 05:05 pm
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Model releases aren't required for editorial photos though. Unless the photographer is making money of his likeness, it's not commercial use. Sure, it would be preferable to get a name and provide a cutline for every photo we use here. But a lot of the photos are from the blogTO flickr pool and come from a variety of photographers, many of whom aren't versed in the craft of photojournalism. All that said, I don't feel that the subject in the photo is being belittled by his representation in this photo.
that guy replying to a comment from David Newland / July 13, 2009 at 05:12 pm
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Hey David

I'm, not Josh. I always post here under this handle. I don't think Josh would dis his own selection of image.

Lastly think of celebrities, their image can be worth millions, but when papparazi snap their shots they can earn tons of money of those and those people can do nothing about it, no model release.



David Newland / July 13, 2009 at 05:18 pm
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Sorry about the name mixup. Your last point makes me jump back in though. It's well established in law that celebrities have essentially forfeited some of their privacy, on the premise that what happens to them is important to everyone.
thatguy / July 13, 2009 at 05:55 pm
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I think this is more public figure and applies to in public spaces.
I think )and it's IMHO at this point) that it comes down to significance, polticians and actors, musicians are obvious, but there is no celebrity card. The ice cold beer guy becomes news, so in the eye of the public he is notable. Dundas square is a notable public space being there means you will be in thousands of tourist videos and personal pictures, the you generation media is everytwhere, blogs, facebook. As long as there is no slander as in posting a picture and saying "look at this dumb asshole" it seems innocent enough. Thats why media does the silverman helps kind of stuff. But in those cases they have to be sure they don't slander.
Joshua / July 13, 2009 at 06:45 pm
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@David: Use in the Morning Brew is hardly an award for a photo - roughly 260 images will be used each year - but certainly it does highlight photos from the blogTO flickr pool. Sometimes I choose the best picture, other times I choose a picture that tells a story, other times just a picture that I found compelling for some reason. In this case it was kind of the latter, the angle of the shot and the way the guy was looking at the camera moved me to select this shot. I make no claims that it is the best or most relevant photo, but then again, it doesn't need to be.

It would be better with more info, sure, but all MB photos only list the photo title, as chosen by the photographer who put it in flickr. Sometimes there isn't one. You can always click on the flickr name above to go to the photo and leave some comments for the photographer there (and see if there is additional description); s/he may not even know their image was used.
hatman / July 13, 2009 at 06:50 pm
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Not to further complicate things here, but I am the gentleman in the above photograph, and my legal name is actually Hat Man.

You may look me up in the phone book under Man, H.
sniderscion replying to a comment from David Newland / July 13, 2009 at 07:33 pm
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Also bear in mind that posting an image to Flickr brings no financial reward to the photographer; likewise if blogTO or any number of other blogs use the image the photographer receives no revenue.

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