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Morning Brew: City Strike, Summer, Projected Ads, Perez Hilton Bleeding

Posted by Jerrold Litwinenko / June 22, 2009

flower potPhoto: untitled by jakemartella, member of the blogTO Flickr pool.

What's happening in the GTA (and sometimes beyond):

Welcome, Summer! Early yesterday morning marked the official beginning of summer. Take advantage of the longest days of the year, warm weather, and a city thriving with events and culture and excitement. If you're having trouble getting motivated, think for a moment what things will be like six months from now.

For breakfast this morning, we're serving the essence de garbage omelet with a side of pureed children who have nowhere to go today because unionized city workers are on strike. Run to your local hardware store and buy a bunch of clothespins for the noses of all your loved ones!

Workers at the Globe & Mail are also poised to go on strike, meaning that one of Canada's leading newspapers might not be able to very well report on the strike by city union workers in Canada's largest city. See the pattern here? A recession is proving to be a good time to be part of a union.

With private sector funding running dry, the Bell LightBox (the future home of TIFF) is poised to open for the 2011 festival but is still nearly $50-million short on required funding. How much work will be required to squeeze more drops from the city, provincial and federal rocks; and how TIFF can juggle other monies is being looked at now.

OMGWTFBBQ! Celebrity reporter and drama queen Perez Hilton claims to have been assaulted by Black Eyed Peas member Will.I.Am last night in Toronto. Rather than calling the police, he sent out a plea for police help on Twitter, which suggests to me that he's either full of shit or he's totally stupid. Publicity stunts work though. You're reading about it right now.

Someone has been running projector-based ads on the sides of buildings (using a gas-powered generator) in the evenings around the city. Is this legit? Some good discussion is happening over at Spacing.

And for those of you who were not online all weekend (with all that was going on in the city, I can't blame ya!), here's a quick recap of what blogTO was up to:

Discussion

41 Comments

Darlene / June 22, 2009 at 08:46 am
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It's Stefani with an 'f'. :)
Jerrold / June 22, 2009 at 08:57 am
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Someone must have swapped out my caffeinated coffee for decaf this morning! (thanks, fixed) :)
Mark Dowling / June 22, 2009 at 09:29 am
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"he's either full of shit or he's totally stupid"

or both - that's my guess anyway.
Andrew / June 22, 2009 at 10:30 am
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At least Perez doesn't link to spacing.ca
Jerrold replying to a comment from Andrew / June 22, 2009 at 10:57 am
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Perez Hilton cares about the colour of celebrities' panties. I care about public space issues in my neighbourhood. No shock or shame in linking to a discussion on one of Canada's most award-winning and respected publications. If you're going to troll, try to at least make sense.
Andrew / June 22, 2009 at 11:07 am
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Except it's not an issue about public space. It's not even news worthy because there is no story besides an observation and a picture. I can't speak of it's awards, but I'm not sure how you came up with most respected - especially for a niche, single city magazine. You can't yell 'Troll' every time you're called out on posting something stupid.
Ryan L. / June 22, 2009 at 11:33 am
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A coworker whose band was performing at the after party confirmed that someone with Will I Am punched Perez Hilton after Perez was mouthing off something awful. Will I Am wasn't the only person to think so either. Perez was being loud, obnoxious and rude (well, duh) to just about everyone and when he was punched a lot of people nearby cheered.
Jerrold replying to a comment from Andrew / June 22, 2009 at 11:33 am
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A car pulled over on a public road, running a noisy gas generator on the public road, projecting advertisements and lighting up the sides of buildings isn't a public space issue? Clearly it is. And it's worth pointing to the discussion on Spacing. I'd love to hear why you think it's not a public space issue, Andrew.

Furthermore, I called your comment trolling because it I perceive it as trolling. It's a stab-and-run one-liner that offers nothing beyond insult. If you think the Spacing story is bullocks, why not tell us why you think it's bullocks? If you think I'm missing out on more important local news, why not throw up a link to a different story and offer an opinion that people can respond to? It would be great to see you, a frequent reader and commenter, offer something of value more often.
Jack S. replying to a comment from Jerrold / June 22, 2009 at 11:57 am
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+1 for the Spacing link from me, anyways - I wouldn't have known about it otherwise.

That said, let's can the British-isms, eh? (it's bollocks)
Andrew / June 22, 2009 at 11:58 am
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I didn't think I had to point this out, but the building which displays the ads isn't public space (did I miss something here?), it's most likely the same type of paid deal you see on other buildings that display ads - yet no one seems to blog about those, but of course that's because it's not the precious Annex. That's why. You bloggers also fictitiously imply with your vague language that they drive around from place to place looking for empty spaces to project onto which simply just isn't the case.

Hmm I see no logical fallacy in perceiving anything you don't like as trolling. It's too bad on this great wide interwebs no one has taken the time to post some sort of actual definition. The comment system here sucks for any real time of discussion, because you can't group them together like most current websites have. I'm sorry if my feedback isn't adequate enough for you, you're starting to sound like that White Squirrel Cafe guy who wanted customers to tell him off to his face. I must have misread the button I press to post, judging by everyones reactions it must say 'Add Praise'.

And finally if I have to do your job for you here's how to win the crowd over http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/television/article/654455 ZOMG DON'T WE ALL HATE NICKELBACK?!1one
o_O / June 22, 2009 at 12:18 pm
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Um, Andrew, someone else does blog on those other "paid deals" -- it's called IllegalSigns.ca. BlogTO and many, many others have written about IllegalSigns.ca.

On your broader assertion: Projections on the sides of buildings are entirely to do with the public realm, even if they qualify as "grey spaces"(http://spacing.ca/wire/spacing-spring-summer-2009-grey-spaces/).

As for details on the national awards Spacing has won, all you've got to do is visit Spacing.ca.
Ryan L. / June 22, 2009 at 12:23 pm
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'Public' space can sometimes be privately owned. Even in the eyes of the law. Malls, and some public squares and parks are privately owned, but most of the laws that apply to public spaces still apply to these privately owned locations. Someone can put up pictures of Hitler inside their homes with no legal problems, but if they were to put up a...lets say a Swastika flag on their front porch, then we run into problems. A privately owned flag on a privately owned building on privately owned property is now a public space issue and legally will be treated as such.
Andrew replying to a comment from o_O / June 22, 2009 at 12:25 pm
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Thanks for that most irrelevant article. Not only did does the Futon store building not fall within the vague description of what Spacing (and them only) defines as a 'Grey Space', none of the short content of that article mentioned anything about advertising!
onegirl replying to a comment from Andrew / June 22, 2009 at 12:25 pm
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Here's definition for you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

And, your first comment was stupid. So there. :)
Andrew replying to a comment from onegirl / June 22, 2009 at 12:26 pm
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It's called sarcasm :facepalm:
Andrew replying to a comment from Ryan L. / June 22, 2009 at 12:37 pm
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What?! Are you a lawyer?
Ryan L. replying to a comment from Andrew / June 22, 2009 at 12:44 pm
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Try it. Put a Swastika flag up on your front porch and see how long it takes for police to show up at your door telling you to take it down.
keven / June 22, 2009 at 12:44 pm
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I think the only people who are confused by the definition of public space are those advocating for making everything visible from public roads, public space.

A mall is NOT a public space. It's private. They can enforce rules on you that are not enforced in public spaces (no shirt, no shoes, no service). They can kick you out at will. If you refuse to leave you are charged with TRESPASSING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.

Comparing an advertisement to hanging a swastika flag is total hyberbole. Godwin's Law, even?

Only spacing, torontoist and a small amount of fringe advocacy groups have defined this 'grey area'. The 'grey area' is not enforced by the law, therefore it's completely irrelevant to bring into a discussion about what is/what isn't public space.
keven / June 22, 2009 at 12:47 pm
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Also worth noting that these projections probably aren't in violation of any billboard sign by-laws. The by-law's AFAIK are designed for physical advertisements such as posters, murials and the like. I'm not sure how this would fit into that.
Andrew replying to a comment from Ryan L. / June 22, 2009 at 12:47 pm
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IANAL (and you're not either), but you would probably be charged with inciting hate - which has nothing to do with private property, or grey space.
keven replying to a comment from Ryan L. / June 22, 2009 at 12:54 pm
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They may ask you to take it down, but they wouldn't be able to charge you with anything if you refused to.

Canada

...it would seem that Canada does not have restrictions on this type of flag - like there are in say Germany itself. Articulating hatred or violence against a group is a criminal code offence, but the test for inclusion in that realm is quite high. It is impossible to say from our vantage point whether this type of 'militaria' would qualify - this is where a lawyer would come in. [7]

7th June 2007
Canadian High Commission, London
Ryan L. replying to a comment from Andrew / June 22, 2009 at 12:56 pm
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Fine, instead of something that promotes hate, how about something that promotes love? A big banner featuring hardcore pornography.
keven replying to a comment from Ryan L. / June 22, 2009 at 01:04 pm
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That falls under indecency laws :P

Again with the hyberbole. It has nothing to do at all with advertising, legal or otherwise. Nor does it have anything at all to do with this discussion.
Ryan L. replying to a comment from keven / June 22, 2009 at 01:08 pm
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Yes, it falls under PUBLIC indecency laws.

Thank you. Private property falling under public laws.
keven / June 22, 2009 at 01:19 pm
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So what do federally regulated indecency laws have to do with civic regulated advertising laws?

Private property can still fall under the realm of public law. However it does not mean that private property is exclusively public. You seem to be rather confused about this HUGE differentiation.
Andrew replying to a comment from keven / June 22, 2009 at 01:22 pm
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Sounds like Ryan's the troll here ;) Although Jerrold left long ago with his tail between his legs on this one.
keven / June 22, 2009 at 01:31 pm
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I'd like to agree with you but I actually think he believes this crap he's spouting.
Ryan L. replying to a comment from keven / June 22, 2009 at 01:35 pm
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I never meant to imply that private space is exclusively public. I thought my wording made that clear. I was trying to point out that things occuring on private property of a public nature are subjected to <b>many</b> of the same laws that apply to public space. Indecency is most definitely one. Outdoor advertising is a grey area, but the city's sign bylaws have shown that the city does not treat advertising on private property directed at public space as a mere free-for-all.

So no, the city has made it clear that you can't advertise what you want on private property.
keven / June 22, 2009 at 01:41 pm
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>Outdoor advertising is a grey area

Explain. It cleary isn't there is a sign-by-law. Therefore what exactly is grey? Other then you trying to muddy the waters?

>The city's sign bylaws have shown that the city does not treat advertising on private property directed at public space as a mere free-for-all.

Wait, didn't you claim it was a big grey area in the preceding para? LOL, Which one is it?

>So no, the city has made it clear that you can't advertise what you want on private property.

Again, wrong. The federal and provincial governments along with the various courts in Canada and Ontario have. As I've previously explained.

The City's sign-by-law does not cover content (Unless it's a first party sign, then there are restrictions). It (the by-law) covers size, materials etc.
Jerrold replying to a comment from Andrew / June 22, 2009 at 02:05 pm
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Actually, I was having a delicious, leisurely lunch out in the sun. And I don't feel compelled to continue to debate you. You seem to doing a fine job of winning my arguments all on your own. ;)
bias / June 22, 2009 at 02:07 pm
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If building exteriors aren't considered public space than why are they subject to advertising by laws at all?
Ryan L. / June 22, 2009 at 02:09 pm
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Grey meaning some advertising is allowed, others are not. Some require special permits, others do not. The city is -somewhat- clear on what is allowed, but the projection advertisment shows that not everything was taken into account when the law was written. Grey meaning that the city often approves billboards that break their own by-laws.
Matt / June 22, 2009 at 02:40 pm
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Actually, most people describe malls and libraries as public space, not fringe advocacy groups. Any surveys of public life show that residents view things like malls in a similar fashion as sidewalks. Most understand the rules are different but see the space as essentially the same.

A wall on a building is public space, or has a effect on public space. The City of Toronto has a bylaw stating that these projections are illegal and have fined and shut them down previously.
Andrew replying to a comment from Matt / June 22, 2009 at 02:46 pm
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Anecdotal evidence and unsourced facts (ie. bullshit)? Sounds like the BlogTO crowd to me.
keven replying to a comment from Matt / June 22, 2009 at 02:51 pm
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Most people consider Kleenex (brand) to be unambiguously tissue paper too. Legally this is not the case. Our perception and what is law or truth aren't always the greatest of lovers.

Libraries are public space. Toronto PUBLIC Library. Malls (as much as you and your fringe groups would like to believe) are wholly private property OPEN to the public. There is a huge differentiation to make here.

>Toronto has a bylaw stating that these projections are illegal and have fined and shut them down previously.

Do you have a link to this info? I can't seem to find any information on previously fined and shut down projection ads in the City of Toronto.
bias replying to a comment from Andrew / June 22, 2009 at 02:54 pm
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do you even have a point here Andrew? or does it just annoy you that people care about things?
keven replying to a comment from bias / June 22, 2009 at 03:17 pm
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I'm not trying to be smart in my answer to you, as (to me at least) it seems pretty obvious

Cause they have advertising on them. Same way when I get snow on my sidewalk, my sidewalk is subject to city by-laws on snow removal.

I assure you that my sidewalk is still not public space and I can charge you with trespassing on it if you decide to hang out on it, unwanted. Ask my neighbours, they've already paid the fine.
Chester Pape replying to a comment from keven / June 22, 2009 at 04:02 pm
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You do realize that the sidewalk in front of your house IS public property, at least the part of it that you are obligated to clear of snow is. If you don't want to shovel from your frontage property line (in most cases 12 meters from the center line of the road) to your front door there's nothing the city can do about it...Canada Post can refuse mail delivery service and your insurance company may be less than pleased about it but the city cannot force you or fine you.
keven replying to a comment from Chester Pape / June 22, 2009 at 04:18 pm
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I've always thought it was illegal to not shovel your private sidewalk too. In some parts of Canada this is the case.

Either way, it doesn't matter, you get the point and doesn't change or affect mine in any way.
keven replying to a comment from Chester Pape / June 22, 2009 at 05:04 pm
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Same response, just substitute snow shoveling for cutting my grass. Which is now a fine-able offense.
Mike W replying to a comment from Andrew / June 22, 2009 at 06:48 pm
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"Although Jerrold left long ago with his tail between his legs on this one."

Talk about ego. How important do you think your opinions mean to people?

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