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Morning Brew: Green Tobacco, Tamils on the Subway, Junk Food Blockade

Posted by Jerrold Litwinenko / May 13, 2009

ttc streetcarPhoto: "All Aboard!" by Daifuku Sensei, member of the blogTO Flickr pool.

What's happening in the GTA (and sometimes beyond):

Bang, bang, bang [City]. Have you become desensitized yet... to the recurring, nearly daily realities of gun violence in Toronto?

Is the TTC subway system the next target for Tamil protesters [G&M]? Based on the (often less than sympathetic) reactions to the escalation of the protesters tactics, coming from anonymous (often outright infuriated) commenters on the web, this would not bode well.

Make them eat lettuce - at school! The Toronto District School Board is toying with the idea of disallowing middle school students from leaving the school during lunch time [NP], to effectively prevent them from wandering off to the nearest convenience store to get fat and unhealthy on potato chips, chocolate bars, and doubly caffeinated cola.

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Think about how much potato chips, chocolate, and doubly caffeinated cola a teen could buy after robbing a bank with his buddies. Something tells me that the 5 kids who held up a CIBC in Pickering [Star] would choose to spend their take on something less benign.

Poor handing of finances and redundancies come hand in hand for many larger organizations (think universities, large corporations, and the government). Ontario's health care system is looking to take prescription records electronic, and is under the microscope because they've invested over $67 million on consultants, on top of the 166 (many very well paid) staffers assigned to the task [Sun].

Tobacco companies are getting on the green bandwagon [Star], but if you use their products, you're sure to have nothing but black in your lungs. Perhaps they should advertise that smoking is a green activity because it puts you in the ground faster, thereby speeding up the cycle of life when insects and decomposing bacteria return you to the soil.

Discussion

42 Comments

sniderscion / May 13, 2009 at 09:12 am
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After making our way through the protest march down Spadina *AND* the protest blocking College and University on Sunday a friend and I were discussing what the next move would be and figured that the Subway would be the next logical choice. If your aim is to cause maximum chaos and disruption with a relatively small group shutting down the subway lines would certainly be quick and effective. The drop in remaining sympathy for their cause would be disastrous though.
lala / May 13, 2009 at 09:20 am
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Keeping the kids on school property will also save convenience store owners on theft.

I used to watch the owner of the convenience store close to my home at lunch time. Poor man could barely keep his mind on making change for watching the kids try to steal from him in the isles, and then confronting them when he caught them. The verbal abuse he'd have to take. Really, totally not worth it.
I agree on keeping them at school over lunch, but not to keep them from getting fat.
apetimberlake / May 13, 2009 at 09:25 am
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I will be very very upset if the Tamils decide to ttake to the TTC.
meatgrinder replying to a comment from sniderscion / May 13, 2009 at 09:29 am
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It is going to get very very dangerous for those Tamil protestors is they decide to pull a stunt like that.
People get very angry and very anxious when kept in a small space like that for long periods of time.
Ryan L. replying to a comment from lala / May 13, 2009 at 09:42 am
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Keeping the kids on school property will also hurt the sales of convenience stores nearby.

I doubt theft causes more losses than what is brought in from those kids. Besides, theft can be easily dealt with. Aprehension is one option, deterrance is another.

There is no such easy solution for replacing repeat customers.
Torontonian / May 13, 2009 at 10:08 am
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I'm surprised the Tamils would try anything further.

Their goings-on in recent times have done nothing to
further their cause. Indeed, many of us are further
angered at them than at their situation in Sri Lanka.

I remember lunch counter sit-ins in the US in the
1960s but this taking over of a city is in a far different league.

geg / May 13, 2009 at 10:55 am
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I think the tamil groups will find any goodwill currency they haven't already burned in this city will evaporate if they fuck with the TTC
Diane replying to a comment from Torontonian / May 13, 2009 at 11:00 am
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It seems the Tamil protesters are so intent on getting their message across to other Torontonians, that they're not listening to what we're saying back to them.
ddt / May 13, 2009 at 11:03 am
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Perhaps Torontonians should get together and protest the protest.After all, our city is being held hostage at times by a special interest group...call ourselves the Toronto bend-overs.
A|Layton / May 13, 2009 at 11:05 am
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At what point do these protests stop being protests and start being something else...

Seriously, the law has already been broken. How far must things go before some arrests are made?
sniderscion replying to a comment from meatgrinder / May 13, 2009 at 11:18 am
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I really wouldn't be surprised to see people take matters into their own hands if they were to try to take over the subway; there's enough people suffering Transit Rage as it is right now. Just going up and down the stairs at rush hour at St George or Bloor there are already people aggressively pushing through and brushing past others. Imagine seeing a big crowd of chanting people blocking the stairs ahead of you when you were trying to get out.
Bad idea.
Kenny / May 13, 2009 at 11:21 am
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Re: Tamil protest
I wasn't stuck in traffic when they blocked the Gardiner, nor do I take the TTC whatsoever, but in both these instances, I get angrier and angrier to their tactics. Lack of sympathy and anger is all they're gonna get even from people who aren't directly affected by their protests.

Re: Gun violence
Listen, both residents and the police KNOW where all the drugs/gangs/guns are, but they do nothing about it. Residents stay mum cuz they're scared of retaliation, and cops don't move in cuz they figure the scum'll kill each other off anyway, so why bother? And cuz they're scared of the liberal/bleeding heart/racist/etc consequences if they do strong-arm those areas.
Dawn replying to a comment from A|Layton / May 13, 2009 at 11:22 am
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That's what I'm starting to think, when is the line going to be drawn? If this doesn't work than it's something else, it's been escalating since January and if they do proceed with blocking the TTC this is going to be it. I can see it now... there's only so much people can handle, someone or possibly a crowd of people are going to snap soon. People are going to start thinking the police are doing nothing to protect their safety and take things into their own hands.
Suzanne / May 13, 2009 at 11:36 am
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I just got word from a friend that the protesters are going through the PATH system downtown......
Suzanne / May 13, 2009 at 11:37 am
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I just got word that the Tamil protesters are going through the PATH system downtown...
jack / May 13, 2009 at 11:43 am
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it will be just a matter of time that the torontonians beat the crap out of the protesters if the cops are not doing that or taser them
Rod replying to a comment from Suzanne / May 13, 2009 at 11:46 am
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Then we won't see them for a while -- they'll be wandering that f'in thing for hours trying to find a way out.
Born&RaisedInTO / May 13, 2009 at 12:04 pm
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Good luck holding "middle school students" hostage during lunch hour. The TDSB are NOT parents to be disciplining food intake - kids have unlimited access to their parents $$$, etc. and will do whatever they want, whenever they want (and will be the first ones to scream that in anyones face!) All the stores (including McDonalds) in the strip mall across the street from my middle school made us stand in line outside the store only allowing so many students inside at one time. Silly us - we actually stood in a single file line waiting to get inside (even in the dead of winter). The kids today will spit in your face and call you a fuckin' asshole before they listen to an adult/teacher/police. Kids today don't even listen to their own parents 'cause they think they know better.

<i>P.S. Jerrold, I love your comment on the new & eco-friendly cigarette packages LOL<i/>
corina / May 13, 2009 at 12:16 pm
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Smoking is already green... it thins out the population :)
Ben / May 13, 2009 at 12:30 pm
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The CIBC robbers will probably buy the two things all teens want: beer and gas.
Ratpick replying to a comment from corina / May 13, 2009 at 12:31 pm
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corina:

Yeah, hooray for cancer.
jeff / May 13, 2009 at 01:06 pm
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GAME 7: OV vs SID
Tonight and 7pm
Diane replying to a comment from Suzanne / May 13, 2009 at 01:24 pm
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There are several hundred protesters at Queens Park right now. It seems to be a small and relatively peaceful crowd.

Better still, almost no terrorist Tamil Tiger flags in sight! Maybe I was wrong and they are listening.
Serious Lee replying to a comment from Born&RaisedInTO / May 13, 2009 at 02:01 pm
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The TDSB knows as well as anyone that there are very few "parents". They are merely "baby havers". There is very little parenting going on here people!
Zuzuq replying to a comment from Born&RaisedInTO / May 13, 2009 at 03:08 pm
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I can't believe you said that. Your grandparents said the exact same thing about you and your friends. Every generation thinks the next one sucks, you're just old and cranky.
Gabe replying to a comment from Born&RaisedInTO / May 13, 2009 at 03:28 pm
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In my day we stood in line in the middle of winter in 2 inches of show, that's the way it was and we like it!!!
chephy / May 13, 2009 at 03:28 pm
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Could somebody please pack up those protestors already and ship them back to Sri Lanka? If this kind of tactics are representative of the Tamil community, perhaps the Sri Lankan government "oppresses" them for a good reason. Perhaps also the oppression is largely a myth, just like Toronto police "brutality" in dealing with these clowns.
A|Layton / May 13, 2009 at 03:42 pm
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If the TDSB is so concerned with the health and well being of its students, perhaps it should remove all vending machines from their schools. Oh and ensuring that the cafeterias sell healthy food, rather than the deep fried goodness and pizza-pizza which made up 90% of the food served in my high-school caf.

Just trying to think outside the box here...
A|Layton / May 13, 2009 at 03:43 pm
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oh...and making kids actually compete in athletics during gym class, rather than rewarding even the most menial exhibit of exertion might help too.
badbhoy replying to a comment from Diane / May 13, 2009 at 04:11 pm
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Perfect! It makes it easier for you to finally ignore them. It may also save us from your daily rant about how much you despise that flag.
Born&RaisedInTO replying to a comment from Zuzuq / May 13, 2009 at 04:28 pm
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My grandparents were murdered during the Holocaust...consider yourself lucky if yours are living, old and cranky.
Basile / May 13, 2009 at 05:18 pm
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Go Jays!
Sean / May 13, 2009 at 06:40 pm
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The tamils want us on their side? NO WAY! They've done nothing more than anger the people in this city that live peacefully here. Many laws have been broken yet the authorities look the other way. Torontonians pay their salaries, not the tamils and we are angry. We don't want to be hostage to these street terrorists no more.
simma / May 13, 2009 at 11:04 pm
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so you people are mad at a group of people who are trying to stop genocide? THAT is more disturbing than any road blockages/ protests I've ever seen, anywhere. You should be disgusted with yourselves. In two weeks the tamil population will be entirely eradicated. And you still won't give a shit. you sit on your couches and do nothing. Just don't criticize the people that try to stop a humanitarian crises.
Richard S replying to a comment from simma / May 13, 2009 at 11:38 pm
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Illegally shutting down a street (or highway), destroying police property, and using children and babies as shields in order to tell a government not known for military prowess and power to support an internationally wanted terrorist organization qualifies as "trying to stop genocide"? Really? Realllllllllllly?

I don't think anyone here (or at least anyone rational an humane) is in favour of anyone being killed. However, this isn't something that's happened in the last few hours. Its been going on for many, many years. Isn't it funny that it becomes a huge issue once the tigers are "losing"?
Ashley replying to a comment from Born&RaisedInTO / May 14, 2009 at 08:21 am
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Hey guys, we all have a point in every matter.
We are all human beings and our opinions should be at least respected if not accepted.
Re the kids at schools, we should not blame them but educate them to better choices and for us to do that we have to create and give them the opportunity.
I had the chance to visit Village by the Grange food court in downtown Toronto and guys I tell you.
This kitchen is called "Karine's" and what they have done in there is totally out of this world. They cater to OCAD students and nearby schools and what they serve is unbelievable. Fresh, Delicious and student friendly prices for such quality and quantity.
Maybe u should all check their website karines.ca and take your children to try.
It's worth every penny. You all deserve to know that some restauranteurs have already made changes for our kids. We just need to know where they are.Let's not blame the kids or anybody.
Let's work together to build and not brake.
A|Layton replying to a comment from simma / May 14, 2009 at 09:08 am
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Ignoring for a second the fact that the protesters are siding with a known terrorist group in this matter, there are methods of raising awareness and provoking action that are LEGAL!

Peaceful, permitted protests in front of a government building (one that can actually take action in the matter) is one of them. Threatening to shut down major transportation arteries and transit lines while using children as unknowing shields in a matter that I am convinced they do not fully understand, is NOT.

Furthermore, protesting in Canada is less than effective due solely to the fact that it is not a voting member in the UN council that can actually do something about the matter. If anything, this group should head down to NYC and protest in front of the UN. Or Moscow, or Paris, or London, or any of the key voting members on the Security Council.

Lets get this straight, nobody here is saying that genocide is a good thing. What we are all tired of is the constant 'attacks' from a group of people, who for all intents and purposes are acting like a bunch of children who aren't getting what they want.
Diane replying to a comment from badbhoy / May 14, 2009 at 10:40 am
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Well, I was wrong in my earlier post. The more radical protesters with the LTTE flags showed up later, and this time many were carrying signs to the effect that "LTTE are our only hope".

If terrorists are your only hope, your cause is not one that Canada shares.

And badboy, you're complaining that a.) I'll ignore this AND b.) that I keep on discussing this - all in the same post! Neat trick.
Diane replying to a comment from simma / May 14, 2009 at 10:58 am
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"so you people are mad at a group of people who are trying to stop genocide?"

No, if you've been paying attention, you'd know that we're mad at a group of people who are trying to evade losing a civil war, even if it means killing the people they supposedly represent.

"In two weeks the Tamil population will be entirely eradicated. And you still won't give a shit."

No, some 3 MILLION Tamils live in other parts of Sri Lanka, and watching the fighting on TV. Over 60 MILLION Tamils are living peacefully in India, and another 2.5 MILLION live in Malaysia and elsewhere.

In the war zone, over 200,000 Tamils have escaped the LTTE and made their way to Sri Lankan government refugee camps under the watchful eye of UN observers. Still at risk in the war zone are some "tens of thousands" more Tamils who have as much to fear from the LTTE as they do the Sri Lankan army - if not more.

That's an awful situation, but it's not "genocide" or the end of the Tamil population. And it could end today if the LTTE surrender, as Canada and the UN have been calling for (which is the opposite of what these protesters want.
badbhoy replying to a comment from Diane / May 14, 2009 at 01:38 pm
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I am saying that the only thing you ever talk about is the flag which leads me to believe that once your red herring disappears you won't have anything left to bitch about. Where is the trick again?
Diane replying to a comment from badbhoy / May 14, 2009 at 03:00 pm
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No, badboy, your argument won't wash. I've written far to much here about the crimes of the LTTE against their own kind, and about the inappropriateness of Tamil-Canadians demanding we support them for you to claim the "the only thing you ever talk about is the flag".
simma / May 15, 2009 at 07:29 pm
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i just think that some of the requests of these people should be granted- like pressuring them to allow journalists in the area. until that happens then no one will know for sure whether this is a genocide or not. not anyone, not diane, no one. so dont say anything for certain until that happens. im just worried theres another rwanda going on while we're all just complaining about the protestors. wouldnt that be a horrible thing?

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