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Jarvis Street Lane Reduction, Cheating EI, Surprise Guilty Plea

Posted by Jerrold Litwinenko / May 6, 2009

bandPhoto: "Medallions" by Brian Kroeker, member of the blogTO Flickr pool.

What's happening in the GTA (and sometimes beyond):

Sports fans in Toronto are abuzz on news of a bid to bring the NHL's struggling Phoenix Coyotes franchise to the GTA. How cool would it be for Gretzky, the best player to ever play the game, to coach a team near his birthplace?

One of the accused "Toronto 18" has done the unexpected, and has pleaded guilty to charges related to the alleged terrorist plot to bomb Toronto [G&M]. Does this change anything, everything, or nothing?

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You know that weird center lane on Jarvis that sometimes allows drivers to go northbound and other times allows drivers to so southbound? It's slated for removal, as Jarvis Street goes from 5 lanes down to 4, and pedestrians and cyclists get more room.

Issuing false documents to allow people to cheat the EI system is about as asinine a crime as any, especially when the system is failing honest people. A Toronto employment consultant is accused of doing just that [Sun].

And SMS is back on Twitter for Rogers and Fido customers!

Discussion

41 Comments

Rob / May 6, 2009 at 08:33 am
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Re: Jarvis plan

Why doesn't the city (or TTC) build a streetcar track right up the street? Could someone explian why this wouldn't (or couldn't) work? I mean you could go from Front all the way up to Bloor with a track.
billysteve / May 6, 2009 at 08:36 am
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Just to be clear, Rogers ain't giving you Twitter for FREE. (The Twitter link you point to implies that this is a free thing that Rogers has set up.)

"However, a charge of 15 cents per Twitter message will apply to those consumers who don't have text plans, including Fido customers."

http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2009/05/05/rogers-text.html
Ryan L. replying to a comment from billysteve / May 6, 2009 at 08:58 am
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It'll be a charge of 15 cents per incoming text message, twitter or not.

Interesting thing to note: Rogers (and previously Bell) claim these charges are to offset the growing cost of text messaging on their system.

Except of course when Bell resells it's tower space to Virgin mobile they charge them one tenth of a penny for each text message, which is presumably marked up from the actual cost.

So 15 cents a message is <b>at least</b> a 15,000 % markup over the actual cost.

We put up with this...why exactly?
bender / May 6, 2009 at 09:17 am
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Hell yes to the revitalization of Jarvis St. I live on Jarvis, and any driver that whines about an extra few minutes commute needs to get out of their car more often. This street needs this.
Robby / May 6, 2009 at 09:29 am
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Is putting a pedestrian/bike lane down THE MIDDLE of Jarvis really a great idea? I like the streetcar option a lot more.
Ryan L. replying to a comment from Robby / May 6, 2009 at 09:36 am
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I'd assume they'd shift the lanes over to make room for bike lanes on the sides of the road
Human Fly replying to a comment from Robby / May 6, 2009 at 09:38 am
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"Is putting a pedestrian/bike lane down THE MIDDLE of Jarvis really a great idea?"

Is that what they're proposing? I read the article and didn't see any mention of a bike lane down the middle.
Dave W / May 6, 2009 at 09:48 am
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"Councillor Glenn De Baeremaeker (Scarborough Centre), chair of the works committee, told those who showed up to protest the predicted gridlock that he doesn’t have much sympathy. An avid cyclist who bikes 23 kilometres a day from McCowan Road and Ellesmere Avenue, Mr. De Baeremaeker had this advice: “If you want to get rid of congestion, get out of your cars.” "

This guy is awesome.
Jack S. replying to a comment from Human Fly / May 6, 2009 at 09:54 am
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It's way more fun to beat down a straw man - they don't fight back.
Darlene replying to a comment from Rob / May 6, 2009 at 10:06 am
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err, 'cause that's where the subway goes...

you can't really believe that spending millions of dollars to lay track for what would essentially be a redundant surface route would be a good plan..
dan / May 6, 2009 at 10:07 am
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The Great One was great player, that doesn't make you a great coach. How is Phoenix doing now?
Rob replying to a comment from Darlene / May 6, 2009 at 10:26 am
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Darlene, there's a subway line on Jarvis now? Wow...I didn't know that. Must be new. I know the subway goes underneath Bloor. What I talked about is to connect Front Street to Bloor going down the middle of Jarvis and how that would be a good idea, it could even be extended North. It would get so many cars off the road and make the commute for people easier.
Ratpick replying to a comment from Darlene / May 6, 2009 at 10:29 am
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Darlene,

Would a Jarvis line really be redundant?

Jarvis is about as far from the Yonge subway as the Spadina streetcar is from the University subway.

Just a thought...
ddt / May 6, 2009 at 10:40 am
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I think that any alteration to Jarvis might disturb the Island residents
Chester Pape / May 6, 2009 at 10:45 am
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And Spadina is commercial from Front to Bloor with few exceptions. Jarvis is mostly not commercial it`s residential and institutional, there is simply not the demand for a surface streetcar on Jarvis standing on it`s own just compare the traffic on the buses that run on Jarvis vs. the old Spadina bus. This is exactly why a more pedestrian/bike friendly Jarvis street makes sense, it more closely matches the needs of the local community rather than the car commuters that are just passing through.
Candice replying to a comment from billysteve / May 6, 2009 at 10:47 am
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And FYI Fido customers: apparently the CBC article is wrong. People who aren't on text plans with Fido will only be charged for OUTGOING twitter messages, not incoming. Which is the way it always is for all text messages, at least for now.

http://twitter.com/keithmcarthur/status/1709655888

(Keith works for Fido and Rogers)
Chester Pape / May 6, 2009 at 10:50 am
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and furthermore, the ideal route for a core east streetcar would be to continue the waterfront east line up Parliment Street to loop at Castle Frank. Serves more people (especially Regent Park), connects better with other lines and serves a dense commercial strip.
Ratpick / May 6, 2009 at 11:13 am
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If streetcars are only supposed to serve dense commercial strips, why is there a Bathurst line? There's way more happening at street level on Jarvis than on Bathurst.

Steve / May 6, 2009 at 11:19 am
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Streetcars always sound nice, but for reasons mentioned by Chester Pape, I think bike lanes will be a welcome addition. It would be pretty sweet to go from Bloor to Front on a bike relatively unimpeded.
Mark Dowling / May 6, 2009 at 11:23 am
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Chester Pape's suggestion won't happen, sadly, because it seems TTC won't countenance new track that isn't in its own Right of Way. Doing this on Parliament would require either tunnelling it or levelling one side of the street to satisfy the road lobby. I think a Parliament car would relieve the pressure on 504/505 and mean that short turns on that route could still serve the Danforth subway.
me / May 6, 2009 at 11:32 am
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ohhh and another thing!!!!
ntario replying to a comment from billysteve / May 6, 2009 at 11:52 am
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96% of rogers customers will be unaffected by the 15cents a message for twitter.
The only people that will get charge are the ones that have no test plan at all.
Darcy K. / May 6, 2009 at 12:45 pm
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I don't drive anymore so I shouldn't complain, but eliminating one lane on Jarvis makes it all the more difficult to get from downtown to midtown quickly. If you have a business meeting, a lunch, a delivery to make, or want to get to Mt Pleasant, it will all take longer, now.

Jarvis is a very sketchy, ghetto street to begin with. So trying to gentrify it is putting lipstick on a pig. I'm a cyclist, and I pedal throughout the city. But Jarvis has nothing to offer visually or experentially - it's a mix of courthouses, corporate offices, welfare housing, soup kitchens and addiction treatment centers. Sounds like a great place to go for a nice bike ride. Hey, bring the kids while you're at it, too.
jeff / May 6, 2009 at 01:01 pm
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The time has come to license bikes. Why? Because then it makes it possible to force riders to obey the laws of the road just as every other vehicle. I say vehicle because a bike IS a vehicle and the great majority of riders completely ignore the rules of the road. For example I just crossed town via Harbord and Wellsley. Along the way I lost count after 40 cyclists but here is what I saw over and over: only 1 cyclist stopped momentarily at a red light! He then blasted across traffic against the light. Not a single rider stopped at a stop sign. Not a single rider stopped at a crosswalk and many almost hit pedestrians in their path until they swerved around them. Kids included! No cyclist signaled a turn, stop, nothing just did as they pleased causing others to deal with their actions. Almost every cyclist ran up on the sidewalk, wound their way through traffic and pedestrians so they did not have to stop. They talked on phones, wore headphones, etc. I could go on. Clearly this is NOT legal or proper riding procedure but it happens every minute of every day. So before we invite more riders to use the road, which I do support, its time to require them to get licensed which will then allow the police to punish them for their own selfish behavior. Frankly Mr. Miller this would also lead to greater safety on the roads AND raise needed $$$s to pay for additional bike lanes as is your want.
Darcy K. / May 6, 2009 at 01:13 pm
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jeff, i'm a cyclist, and i hate 95% of cyclists. I've been hit on my bike by two other cycling a-holes, one who went through a stop sign and the other who crossed 4 lanes of traffic to turn. I'm fine with licensing, and I'm sure our tax-loving douche of a major would support licenses, too.

Bike licenses are all for nothing without police enforcement. If cops have the time to give out parking tickets (a waste of "serve and protect" resources) they have the time to ticket cyclists who don't wear helments (only required for riders under 18 - makes no sense; brain injury doesn't affect just kids), and who don't have or use lights, bells and signals. You have hit a nerve with me because I despise cyclists who have no respect for the Highway Traffic Act (HTA) - who are often the first to be anti-car Nazis, but assume no responsibility for the bikes they operate.
Media Images / May 6, 2009 at 01:21 pm
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Just another bad idea, I would love not to drive but not sure how when I do a photo shoot I would lug all my equipment around. All the trades people, delivery drivers, etc. still need to get in the city centre you cannot eliminate every route to and around the city like they have. I go along Dundas St. E. and never see a bike for weeks at a time, yet we need more bicycle lanes? When does the insanity stop? Driving for some is not luxury but a necessity. When I don't have to and can I do not drive but many times I have to. So how is adding more congestion and idling vehicles good for the city?
Kenny / May 6, 2009 at 02:14 pm
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Both my brother and girlfriend live on Jarvis and it's hard enough to drive and find parking on Jarvis already, and to cut the lanes down even further is just gonna make things worse. As 'Media Images' said, are they forgetting about all those delivery, utility, construction, etc, vehicles that will block a lane when they need to? This lane cutdown will just cause more traffic and vehicle congestion, it's not gonna encourage anymore walking or riding from what it is now.

Also, don't forget that Jarvis is a major route to get out of the downtown area, by taking Jarvis you have access to Mt Pleasant, Bloor to the DVP, Church to Rosedale Valley to DVP, and south to the Gardiner. They're just bottle-necking a major thoroughfare.
Human Fly replying to a comment from jeff / May 6, 2009 at 02:17 pm
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Cops are able to give out tickets to cyclists now, they just mostly choose not to. So, I don't see why you think a license is necessary.

I assume this would have to be a province-wide initiative, so the money wouldn't be going to Miller, anyway. And what would be the minimum age for licenses? Would toddlers be required to get a tricycle license?
Ratpick / May 6, 2009 at 02:28 pm
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jeff: Licensing cyclists? Good grief. Now I've heard everything. We should be getting AWAY from that kind of madness, not begging for it.




Ryan L. / May 6, 2009 at 02:35 pm
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I once saw a cyclist kill a person. It's true.
Sean / May 6, 2009 at 02:51 pm
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Licencing cyclists is a good idea.

Having cyclists getting road insurance is a BETTER idea!
Jonathan / May 6, 2009 at 03:25 pm
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Most people don't know that the TTC does service Jarvis. Route 141 Express runs down and up a few times every day. I use it and love it as it gets me downtown faster than going to over to Yonge and taking the subway. Right now it's double fare, but council already approved to drop the extra fare requirement in, I think, July.

I think it should be concurrent with this route becoming regular all day every 20 minute service. so that Jarvis can be a good transit corridor to downtown as an alternative to a major auto route for people in Moore Park and points north. Yes, those rich types do use the service. I am stunend every day seeing them get on and drop $6.25 in the fare box to ride.
SYSS Mouse replying to a comment from Human Fly / May 6, 2009 at 03:55 pm
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Not just tickets. If you happened to get an infraction serious enough that carries demerit points. That applies to your driving license.
Chester Pape replying to a comment from Ryan L. / May 6, 2009 at 04:12 pm
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It's a true fact that ONE year in the 90's in the pre-amalgamated City of Toronto more pedestrians were killed by bicycles than by cars (unfortunately I lost the document I had that showed this and haven't been able to find another reference since), yes it was an anomaly but it is nevertheless true that cyclists can and do hurt and kill pedestrians. A couple weeks ago I walked from Bathurst Station to John and Richmond via a winding route that included a stop at Kaplansky's and I had 4 cyclists ride past me on the sidewalk, not a single one of them had or rang a bell or a whistle or called out "passing on the right/left", not a single one of them wore a helmet and one of them did pass so close that if I had decided to stop or turn to look at a store window I would have been hit.
Sammy / May 6, 2009 at 04:23 pm
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I almost hit two different people on two different occasions on the bike ride to work this morning. Pedestrians running across the street through traffic, staring into the far lane to make sure that they'll be clear when they get there, but not looking into the lanes they're walking through right now.

Never give your drivers license to a cop when riding a bike or walking. You're not driving a car, there's no reason to give it to them, they always ask but you can say you don't have it.
JAS / May 6, 2009 at 05:41 pm
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More than one person has put forward the the argument that cyclists pose a danger to pedestrians, and therefore more bike lanes are a poor use of space. Wouldn't more bike lanes keep the cyclists further from the pedestrians? It seems to me that wider sidewalks and a narrower road would only tempt more cyclists into using the sidewalk.

Francois / May 6, 2009 at 06:25 pm
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I don't own a car and walk to work... and I would appreciate it if the authorities threw the book at cyclists who use sidewalks. If you think the streets are unsafe for you, leave your bike at home.
Jimmy replying to a comment from Francois / May 6, 2009 at 06:51 pm
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Sure. And they should throw the book at you Walkers for J-Walking, crossing when the hand signal is up, walking through a yellow light.

I know I know, all those acts are totally harmless right? wrong! They conbtribute to the problem, we all need to be enforced even you Walker Texas Ranger.
Jarek / May 6, 2009 at 07:59 pm
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Jeff, absolutely correct, just like making taxis licensed totally makes cabbies drive responsibly, right? Since you love anecdotes so much, not two hours ago I saw a cab on Queen East come within half a second of smashing into a bike at speed because the driver just had to get into that barely available spot in the left lane ahead of the car parked on the right.

Media Images, if only those for whom it was an absolute necessity drove, we wouldn't have any traffic problems.
Jarek / May 6, 2009 at 08:08 pm
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And I don't think I need to point this out, but just in case: a taxi plowing a bike into a parked car at speed is a high fatality risk. A bike plowing into a pedestrian is a high scrape and bruise risk; moderate broken limb loss; low fatality risk.

Except for the one year mentioned by Chester Pape, what are typical numbers of pedestrians, cyclists, and automobile occupants killed by bicycles and automobiles in Toronto? I'm genuinely curious.
Dave replying to a comment from Jarek / May 6, 2009 at 08:53 pm
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And how many pedestrian deaths were because of a car veering off the road or running a sign or light and how many were of a pedestrian J-walking or running a light?

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