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Passenger Safety on the TTC: Rider Perspectives

Posted by Jerrold Litwinenko / February 23, 2009

ttc passenger safetyThe last month or so has been a nightmare for the TTC. Putting aside for a moment all of the nagging issues that plague the system (like union strife, funding woes, technical problems, service inadequacies, etc.), the topic on everyone's mind of late is passenger safety. And in light of what's gone on in recent weeks, that's pretty much undeniably justified.

We've seen a brazen shooting at a crowded Osgoode Station, unsuspecting teens pushed in front of a moving train, armed robberies at collector booths, a stabbing at Wilson Station, and this afternoon another shocking mid-day shooting went down aboard a bus near Oakwood & St. Clair.

How is all of this violence affecting passengers perceptions? Their use of the transit system?

TTC users: please take a moment to let us know how you feel about this, by taking the poll below. Feel free to offer additional answers via the "other" field, and/or speak your minds in the comments below. What can be done about the problem?

Photo by Tanja-Tiziana.

Discussion

14 Comments

Gloria / February 23, 2009 at 04:30 pm
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I'm not sure the TTC is any less safe than other parts of the city where shootings/incidents of violence have occurred. Not worried.
Kerry / February 23, 2009 at 04:34 pm
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I hadn't been concerned until recently - the 2 most recent incidents have been a lot closer to home. So now, yes, I'm a little more worried. ...not so much that I'll stop using the TTC all together, but it's just an other reason I'm itching for the warmer weather so I can take my bike out of storage!
Jerrold replying to a comment from Kerry / February 23, 2009 at 04:36 pm
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I'm really looking forward to bike-friendly weather as well.

Until then, I drive and use the TTC as usual, hoping that luck keeps me out of harms way.
bstewart23 / February 23, 2009 at 04:37 pm
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Perhaps they could take some of the monies spent on posters and brochures teaching riders how to use a freaking escalator and apply it to more security personnel?
Dave replying to a comment from bstewart23 / February 23, 2009 at 04:40 pm
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Agreed!
Gary / February 23, 2009 at 04:45 pm
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These incidents are serious and no doubt need to be investigated to see how they can be reduced. However, if you compare the number of fatalities and injuries on the TTC to the number that occur in traffic accidents on roads and highways around the GTA, transit is far safer. Almost 1.5 million people take the TTC daily; many of these incidents above (namely, the shootings) were targetted at specific individuals. The fact that the participants happened to be on TTC property when the altercation took place was incidental. Traffic accidents, meanwhile, happen many times per day and are completely non-targetted and can happen to anyone.

It puzzles me that many people who are scared to take public transit for safety reasons think nothing about climbing into a car or crossing a street in Toronto, both of which are statistially far more dangerous than riding transit.
Malcolm Parkdale / February 23, 2009 at 04:48 pm
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Maybe the TTC should start cleaning up the Graffiti, or the TTC drivers and passengers should start shooting back.
o_O replying to a comment from bstewart23 / February 23, 2009 at 04:58 pm
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Because we all know that ~$2,500 in posters is about the same as $50,000 plus benefits.

I don't mean to be flippant because both me and my family live a stone's throw from Vaughan and Oakwood (really closer to Eglinton than St. Clair, by the way) but adding a security guard here or there really isn't the answer. Anyone stupid enough to 1) carry a gun and 2) use that gun will not be deterred. What that area in particular needs is some social infrastructure. Vaughan & Oakwood has a great, great deal of poverty and simmering gang/violence issues but its got precious few community resources to stop the cycles of poverty and violence before it gets to the point it did today (so no, I'm not saying that if we'd just hugged the thug who pulled the trigger today he would have reconsidered).
Laurence replying to a comment from o_O / February 23, 2009 at 05:28 pm
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Not to mention that far more people are injured on escalators and stairs than are victims of violence. Security personnel can't be everywhere either, considering there are over 2,000 vehicles on the road every day. I'm glad to see most people are "not concerned to such an extent that it affects [their] use of the system".
Kris(tine) / February 23, 2009 at 07:30 pm
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I see both o_O and Laurence's point, but I also think that there is a case to be made for some sort of security system. At the station nearest my home (Islington) I recently saw two transit workers basically trapped in their booths, while a group of guys banged on the plexiglass shouting and threatening them. Both ttc workers were on phones calling for assistance. It was clearly tense and riders sped up their pace for a few minutes before the 'hooligans' fucked off. No security or outside assistance came in the time that I saw.

That being said, I'm not changing my ridership in any way and I don't think these extreme and (still) isolated incidents are not an indication of the ttc being wholly unsafe. But anyone who has taken a late subway by themselves, know what I'm saying when I say there IS room for improvement.
ahamilton / February 23, 2009 at 07:33 pm
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I am concerned about safety in general (not just on the TTC) but not so much that I alter my usual habits. I have however become more aware of my surroundings particularly after witnessing a middle of the day attempted robbery of a girl sitting across from me on the subway. I try to keep my belongings in hand and am aware of those around me.

That said, hopefully I will be able to move within walking/biking distance of work and this will not be a problem!
Marion / February 23, 2009 at 07:48 pm
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I'm more worried about the quality of service on the TTC than I am about the quality of the security.
SC / February 24, 2009 at 09:15 am
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Violent crime has been in a consistent decline for the last 15 years or so. Gun violence is way up in the same time period, no question, but less people get killed or attacked in Toronto now then in the 1980s. Something to remember when we all start getting up in arms - we are safer now then we were then.
Peter Lynn / February 26, 2009 at 03:31 pm
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Last Friday evening, my commute was made a little longer and more interesting when a fellow patron hit the yellow strip in the subway to set off the emergency alarm and summon security. I actually didn't mind this -- he did it because I was being followed and physically threatened by a huge drunk native guy.

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