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A Sanctuary, not a Sweatshop for the Undocumented

Posted by Guest Contributor / February 20, 2009

20090220_immigrants.jpgAdvocates say an estimated 200,000 undocumented immigrants in Toronto fill labour gaps in key industries and pay into the system through property taxes and federal and provincial sales taxes. Yet, most services, like public housing, education, health care, police, shelters, etc. are out of reach thanks to ID requirements or fears of being outed by city employees to federal immigration officials.

The City is a Sweatshop conference kicked off yesterday at Ryerson University with a clear message: "good enough to work, good enough to stay".

And good enough to access city services.

Organized by activist group No One is Illegal (NOII), the four-day event raises awareness of the barriers undocumented immigrants, those without legal immigration status in Canada, face in accessing city services.

"The idea behind the conference title is that sweatshops are exploitative and deny people their rights. Toronto functions like a sweatshop for undocumented people," said Sumayya Kassamali, one of the conference organizers and member of NOII.

The conference also aims to build support in designating Toronto a sanctuary city, where access to social services is based on local residency and not immigration status. As a sanctuary city, municipal resources are not used to enforce immigration law, and city employees don't ask about immigrant status or share that information with immigration officials. This is also known as a "don't ask, don't tell" policy.

"Don't ask, don't tell" advocates are making headway. Though there are critiques of failure to implement the policy, the Toronto District School Board adopted a "don't ask, don't tell" in 2007 and the Toronto Police Services Board the "don't ask" component in 2006.

The City of Toronto also adopted the policy around the same time. But problems arise with Toronto as a sanctuary city when dealing with the requirements of services funded by the federal and provincial governments, such as settlement and health care.

"The city needs to call on those different levels of government," said Kassamali.

Standing up to other levels of government on this issue doesn't seem to be a city priority. Of the estimated 150 participants at the conference, there were no city representatives present.

A discussion of the legal and practical logistics of a sanctuary city, of municipal employees ignoring federal and provincial rules of requesting ID for service, for example, were also missing. As were lessons learned from our neighbour cities in the U.S., some of whom became sanctuary cities in the 1980s (New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, and more).

There are a few more days to the conference, but unless these concrete discussions take place, politicians likely won't pay much attention to rally cries for sanctuary versus sweatshop.

Writing and photo by guest contributor Debbie Pacheco.

Discussion

32 Comments

dave / February 20, 2009 at 04:00 pm
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Well, seeing as they are not citizens and are here illegally, if they don't like the conditions, they could always leave.
Paul / February 20, 2009 at 04:15 pm
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I wonder how many of the students involved actually pay income taxes...it seems like those most in favour of paying for healthcare and welfare for illegals probably aren't shouldering the brunt of the city's burdens.

Why, especially in a recession, should those who were born here or came here through LEGAL avenues pay for those who are here illegally?
James / February 20, 2009 at 04:22 pm
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I'm confused. You explain that the City of Toronto adopted this policy a while back. So, why is the City getting targeted?
Jenny / February 20, 2009 at 04:48 pm
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Get ready, your government and the illegal alien lobby are getting ready to completely destroy your economy, displace you from your jobs, bankrupt your social services and render your currency worthless. That is what illegals are brought into your country, en masse, to do. They are a disease, they do not pay taxes, sales tax is not the same thing as "paying taxes".
Ryan / February 20, 2009 at 04:56 pm
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who is against spending tax dollars on this issue.
kstop / February 20, 2009 at 04:59 pm
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I came here legally, I brought the $10k that was required at the time and spent most of it before I found my first job, and have been employed and paying taxes ever since. So in terms of my effect on the Canadian economy you were 10k up when I arrived, and that's not counting the costs in terms of education, health care, etc to get a university-educated contributing adult taxpayer. I see absolutely no moral difference between myself and an illegal immigrant, the only difference is Canada doesn't get the 10k. I have no problem with them living their lives however they need to, and I suspect that they too represent a net gain for the Canadian economy over homegrown taxpayers, who also don't have to deal with racist assholes or "Canadian experience required."
HernandezUSA / February 20, 2009 at 05:25 pm
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Canada your in trouble....

Look California and other states here in the U.S..

These LATINO groups are pulling the same B.S in your country...

Soon they will demand everything in Spanish and not French....

Press 1 for Spanish, 2 for French and 3 for English....

All the groups do is demand and demand.....

Then more and more predatory business owners want to hire cheaper illegal aliens and less citizens....to them MONEY....

Wake up before its to late........
jen c. / February 20, 2009 at 05:32 pm
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"good enough to work, good enough to stay". I agree.

However, they are not good enough to work as they don't have SIN cars or legal residence status. They also don't pay income taxes.

So they in fact are NOT good enough to work. So not good enough to stay.

But here's a solution, get legal status, follow the rules.
Dana / February 20, 2009 at 06:01 pm
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If anyone on the panel is actually employed, they should do the right thing and give up their job to an "undocumented" person, who is a victim and deserves the work more than someone elite enough to be on a panel.
Brad / February 20, 2009 at 06:33 pm
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When did the Toronto Star and Globe & Mail comments start being cross-posted to BlogTO?
Dave / February 20, 2009 at 06:44 pm
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In Wisconsin, where I live, there are an estimated 90,000 illegal aliens living on the backs of taxpayers. Would it be too callous of me to ask if you wonderful folks in Toronto have room for them in your "sanctuary city"?
A|Layton / February 20, 2009 at 07:06 pm
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@Jen c.

Couldn't agree with you more, especially because all of the job applications I've been filling out for the past few years have included the question: are you legally entitled to work in Canada?
Rainier_zed / February 20, 2009 at 07:11 pm
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Many of the comments thus far are lacking in compassion and the basic understanding of human rights and needs outlined by the UN charter. Healthcare is a right NOT a priviledge. Especially in Canada and the E.U. countries where healthcare is funded through taxes and the gov't. There should be equal access and we should always remind ourselves how lucky we are to have access to good serviceable healthcare. These undocumented persons are often leaving countries ravaged by globalisation i.e. wars, extreme poverty, famine ect. We should look at them as human beings who deserve rights just as we have. The only difference is that we as Canadians were born into our current system of certain privileges. Let's take a step back and breathe. We are in a recession hating on our fellows legal or illegal is plain wrong and makes me ashamed to call myself a fellow Torontonian. Yes i am a student, but we all pay taxes.
montrealshorts / February 20, 2009 at 08:03 pm
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Sure, why not say everyone on earth is entitled to Canadian health care because they're human beings too.

It's not like money doesn't grow on trees or anything.

Canadian healthcare is not a right for non-Canadians. Get a grip.
More Taxes / February 20, 2009 at 08:14 pm
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Regardless if the UN declares Healthcare as a Right, Doctors and Nurses don't work for free.
Paul replying to a comment from Rainier_zed / February 20, 2009 at 09:01 pm
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Its worrying how far left our student bodies are becoming. Some of the crap I've heard on parts of my campus really worries me about our generation's future.


And really? Free healthcare is a right? I guess that's why Americans can go into any doctor's office and get free healthcare, right? Or is it that they are prevented from doing so because every American is an "undocumented" (what a lump of bullshit that term is, I guess we should call prisoners people who "perceive statutes alternately") human being feeing from the wretches of globalization? Oh wait, that's a load of crap.

What even happened to people earning what they paid for? My parents who were not at all wealthy legally migrated to Canada and despite their situation, never once relied on support from the government; they earned what they have. Why is it that anyone should get whatever they want without having to earn it or follow the proper procedures?

Look at the States - I have friends there who can't find summer jobs because they can't speak Spanish.
Citizen / February 20, 2009 at 10:57 pm
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The funny thing is the clownish comments that think illegal immigrants are somehow being subsidized by the host country. In what way? They can't collect social security, disability, welfare, or anything else. They do pay payroll and income and sales taxes like anyone else. Plus they are generally adults in the prime working years of their lives, not children or elderly who are a drain on society.

Overall, studies show that illegal immigrants contribute more to government coffers than they take. Those are the facts. And that's one of the larger reasons why governments don't actually crack down more on illegal immigration... it makes them money.



acer / February 20, 2009 at 11:03 pm
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The author of this blog post is Debbie Pacheco. Who is she? Is she affiliated with "No One is Illegal" or immigrants rights? Or is she a freelance writer/blogger/journalist? Is it ethical to have someone connected (if she is) to a special interest group blog about it and take photos of the event? Just curious, would love to know what her background is and if there is a conflict.
Ryan replying to a comment from Citizen / February 20, 2009 at 11:16 pm
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Illegal immigrants pay income tax? How can they do that without a SIN? Let's say that some of them do, I'd think that only a small percentage of the illegal immigrants in this city pay income taxes.

As for the point about illegal immigrants contributing more than they take. That will change if the wishes of this panel become reality.
I pay too much in taxes as it is. I don't think I should be paying for an illegal immigrant's MRI.
Here's what it boils down to (as has been said many times before this): they're here illegally; if they want equal treatment, become equal. Become a legal citizen. There must be some legitimate reason why they aren't taking steps toward becoming legal.
My grandparents came here in the 30's (I don't even want to get into the head tax) without much more than the clothes on their back. They worked hard, didn't ask for any hand-outs and have created a good life for me and my family. Why can't these people do the same?
larry / February 21, 2009 at 01:38 am
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aside from one or two somewhat harsh comments, I think that the thread here has been pretty civil and mature for the most part. You haven't seen the traditional fear mongering of a scary criminal immigrant population etc. that you might have in recent decades. So so far so good.

But I think that the clear statement has been made. Become legal. Respect the immigration system until you change it. And that's the part that confuses me. Why do you have a panel looking to argue sanctuary status for the city, when immigration reform is what's truly needed. By all means, sweatshop labour needs to be dealt with, but if you really want to make an honest difference, lets all concentrate on getting qualified immigrants into proper jobs, so they can earn the money needed to legally bring their families into the country, so they too can have jobs that help them contribute to the system.

The efforts of these people are honest and good, but I think that they're approaching it from the wrong avenue. If their goal is to appear with an extreme view in order to get people talking, great. But let's be serious about this issue.
Greg J. Smith / February 21, 2009 at 01:53 am
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"When did the Toronto Star and Globe & Mail comments start being cross-posted to BlogTO?"

Indeed.
noni / February 21, 2009 at 02:42 am
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I don't understand these "No One is Illegal" groups. If this is true, then there's really no point to having a formal immigration process at all. If you are going to declare a blanket amnesty to any and all illegals, why would any potential immigrant bother to go through the proper process, when those jumping the fence are being welcomed with open arms?

Canada's first duty is to her citizens. We have a right to decide just who gets to cross our borders, and just who gets to make a home here. If the immigration system is unfair or outdated, then by all means, let's change the rules. But the rules in place *must* be enforced.
warmflash / February 21, 2009 at 08:57 am
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Ignorant student groups like NO ONE IS ILLEGAL are a slap in the face to people who actually went through the system to immigrate here legally.

Perhaps the misguided gang at NO ONE IS ILLEGAL should spend their own money and buy plane tickets for all our illegal aliens so they can move to " sanctuary " cities like New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago to swill from the public trough.

Egerton Ryerson must be trashing in his grave.
warmflash / February 21, 2009 at 08:58 am
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that should be " thrashing in his grave. "
dp replying to a comment from acer / February 21, 2009 at 11:35 am
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In the spirit of full disclosure and to ease acer's concerns:

I am not a member of NOII and am surprised by the question. I didn't realize an issue that impacts all Torontonians-citizen or not-is "special interest."

I do have my own opinions on the issue and some of them are in the piece. blogTO is filled with opinion posts and I don't hear any worries about "conflict of interest" on any of those pieces? Let's be fair, blogTO isn't trying to compete with the Globe or Post's online presence for the neutral-hard-news-writer site of the year award. At least that's my understanding of the site.

Debbie
Paul / February 21, 2009 at 12:34 pm
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It astounds me how Ontario's health minister is AIMING for 8 hour emergency wait room times for those who are legal citizens, and yet a bunch of short-sighted students think that giving everyone on the planet access to our healthcare for free is a smart idea.


Luke / February 21, 2009 at 04:45 pm
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Another actually sane uni student reporting in. These Tonka Truck communists don't represent the majority student opinion, even though they presume to speak for us at universities all over the GTA. It's frankly embarrassing. No One is Illegal, even your name is a joke. Should we just go ahead and abolish slavery?
Lisa Campbell / February 23, 2009 at 09:33 am
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What's with TO's racist block? The same thing happens on the Toronto Star website. It's like you guys do nothing all day but wait until an article on human rights come up so you can bash it and tell people to go back to Canada. The other day I was on the street car and I saw a man scream at a Chinese dude walking into Tim Hortons saying "YOU'RE NOT FROM HERE!!" Why is our city so racist, and when will it realize that health care and education are human rights, no matter where you were born or how you came to be here.
Lisa Campbell replying to a comment from acer / February 23, 2009 at 11:34 am
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"The author of this blog post is Debbie Pacheco. Who is she? Is she affiliated with "No One is Illegal" or immigrants rights? Or is she a freelance writer/blogger/journalist? Is it ethical to have someone connected (if she is) to a special interest group blog about it and take photos of the event? Just curious, would love to know what her background is and if there is a conflict."

HELLO PEOPLE! This is a BLOG. Bloggers are almost always special interest groups, attached to a cause that they're passionate about. Blogger often blog about things that are a part of their lives. Objective reporting is a fallacy; we all have opinions that influence our work. What's with this extreme combination of positivism and racisim? Why are people comparing our health care to the US when discussing human rights? Is the blogTO readership really this racist? Where is a moderator? Did you know that hate speech is illegal in Canada? Just because someone didn't get here legally doesn't mean that they don't have the full rights to be here. Unless you are first nations, I assume that all of your ancestors are Canadian immigrants. It was way easier to get into the country back then, and they were even giving away native land for free as an intensive. Now to get into Canada is only a privileged for the rich. What about refugees? What about people struggling to live in a place which recognizes their human rights? Canada is a great country, and immigrants make our country even stronger.
Lauren St. Louis replying to a comment from Jenny / February 23, 2009 at 09:20 pm
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Jenny, nothing but the best to you....I totally disagree with your post but I'm a strong advocate of human rights....which includes yours.

Undocumented workers are not going to destroy the economy....we are doing a pretty good job of doing that ourselves without their assistane.

Undocumented workers are not going to steal our jobs. For the most part, undocumented workers are work in conditions that someone with citizenship or residency would never take...they would know that they have the legal right to complain about the hours of their work, being harassed, etc.

In one sentence you say that undocumented workers are going to steal jobs and then they're going to bankrupt social services. Which one is it are they working or are they on OW? In general, undocumented workers are less likely to use social services because they don't want others to find out about their status or because they are unwelcomed and treated poorly by individuals who think that undocumented workers are "a disease."

Undocumented workers often pay into EI, CPP, and other taxes that are deducted from their paycheques. They rent or own homes...thus, paying property taxes
Observer / February 24, 2009 at 09:51 am
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I am illegal. Every-time I go to buy something at Zellers, Wal-mart or Metro I pay GST and PST. I don't claim income tax return nor I am on welfare. I pay from my own pocket when I need to use Canada's health care. How can some bigot who is on welfare, getting free health care and wait at his mailbox at the time of tax returns say I'm a burden to tax payer of this country. Give back my all taxes I paid at zellers, wal-mart and metro for 10 years now and I'll leave.
Andrew replying to a comment from Observer / February 24, 2009 at 03:19 pm
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Wow you pay measly sales tax with your untaxed income, what a bargain!

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