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Posted by Jerrold Litwinenko / December 9, 2008

torstar rogers harsh wordsSo the second wave of Bills in Toronto action was a bit of a dud. The stadium wasn't full, and the game wasn't exactly a thrill. This is the message the Toronto Star delivered to its readership yesterday, in an article titled "Bills game was much hype, little excitement".

But what I found to be far more intriguing was the scathing attack sports writer Dave Perkins unleashed on their big media competitor Rogers (highlighted above).

Perkins didn't stop at accusing the event promoters (who are under the umbrella of Rogers) of being dishonest about the Bills in Toronto event; he went as far as suggesting that Rogers can't be trusted at all.

While I've had my fair share of beefs with some of the media outlets and services in the Rogers family, I'm not sure that I'd go so far as saying that the organization as a whole completely lacks credibility. I do, however, think it's worth scrutinizing the cross-property promotional efforts they dish out, especially when said promotional efforts are disingenuous.

How will Rogers repond? Will they get some lawyers involved? Will they volley the accusations back at Torstar in the pages of one of their many competing media outlets?

Incidentally, on a somewhat related note, I spent over an hour on the phone yesterday with Rogers. They had erroneously charged my mobile phone account $50, twice, and it took a lot of effort and frustration to have the charges reversed. Next time I call Rogers customer support, I assure you...I will be recording the call for my own quality control purposes!

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Eric / December 9, 2008 at 11:19 am
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Just to reflect on your comment on Rogers Wireless' customer service, I've noticed a huge difference in Fido's customer service quality(pre and post Rogers takeover). It's gone down the drain.

On another note, Fido's new plans aren't exactly new; they've just copied Telus' Koodo plans. Plus the fine print points out that the new plans will require a $25 'set-up' fee for EXISTING Fido customers prior to Nov 4th, 2008 and they'll start tracking time once you push the 'call' button, regardless if the recipient picks up your call or not. I'm so ticked off.

I can't wait for new GSM service providers in Toronto. Where's Vodafone and 3?! =(
Coffee Table / December 9, 2008 at 11:29 am
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Whether or not it was a shitty game is entirely irrelevant to any discussion of the event's success.

And if people didn't like the lame tailgate party junk around the dome then woopdy doo who cares.

It was a regular season game. Wtf were people expecting?

But the lies about it selling out are annoying.
Tario replying to a comment from Coffee Table / December 9, 2008 at 11:42 am
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Based on the 2 games so far I think it's fair to say that this event has not been successful. With The price point set so high for this event I don't see how it can be a success.
Ryan L. / December 9, 2008 at 11:49 am
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<i>Incidentally, on a somewhat related note, I spent over an hour on the phone yesterday with Rogers. They had erroneously charged my mobile phone account $50, twice, and it took a lot of effort and frustration to have the charges reversed. Next time I call Rogers customer support, I assure you...I will be recording the call for my own quality control purposes!</i>

Next time you call press the button for French. 9 times out of 10 you'll end up with an operator within seconds who resides in Canada and speaks English as a first language (if the company is Montreal based they may not speak English that well however).

The best part is that because they are outsourced less often they usually have more authority to actually help you with your problem. Just say that you must have hit the wrong button and it's unlikely they'll refuse your call.

If you still can't get someone to address the issue, chances are you're still talking to people who aren't technically Rogers employees. They can only do so much. Even managers and supervisors at these call centres have little or no power. Look or ask for an email for someone who actually works for the company (it's unlikely they'll give you a phone number). It might take a few days for a response, but you can usually get further with a quick email than spending hours on a phone.
Sameer Vasta / December 9, 2008 at 12:01 pm
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Ryan, you rock. Definitely gonna use that French option next time. Especially since I'm (supposedly) fluent in French and can get by if I need to keep going in that language anyways.

Oh, and there were tons of empty seats at the game. Good seats and bad. I assumed they were all sold and people just didn't show up, but it looks like the sell-out claim was bogus after all.

That being said, I had a great time. If the price-point wasn't so high, it would've been a smashing success, in my opinion.

Oh, and some people paid over $500/ticket for the Bills game in Toronto. I buy my Bills season tickets for $375. Yeah, that's a ticket to EVERY regular-season home game plus one pre-season game. Whether they're lying about the sell-out or not, it's clear Rogers is gouging football fans in this city.
Ben on on on on / December 9, 2008 at 12:10 pm
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side note: I've noticed that Rogers frequently makes these billing mistakes that I'd go as far as calling them "mistakes." Why would you stick with a provider with such dodgy billing?
Efehan / December 9, 2008 at 12:53 pm
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Rogers customer service is a complete toss-up, man.

I called, and one customer service rep didn't listen to my question, proceeded to interrupt me at every turn, and yell at me, and refuse to answer my pretty simple query by referencing how their 'policy' didn't allow it, and NOBODY would answer it no matter who I talked to.

I called back immediately (full of unhappy) and a differnet, nice guy answered my question in like two minutes, solved the problem completely.

The pattern: I certainly can't find one.
Shawn / December 9, 2008 at 01:04 pm
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Like Bell is any better. My Bell cell phone was in US roaming while on centre island; I couldn't get service throughout most of the eaton centre; they switched my $50/mo internet to the basic DSL profile without telling me; said I was lying about my speeds which they confirmed were 1/4 of the advertised maximum speed; charged me extra because they couldn't figure out that when I said I was cancelling, I didn't mean I was upgrading to the fastest connection they have; spent HOURS on hold; etc. Bell is a much biggER headache.
Ryan L. / December 9, 2008 at 01:05 pm
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And don't get me started on Telus...
Diane / December 9, 2008 at 01:13 pm
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And Virgin sucks too. We're screwed!
Justin / December 9, 2008 at 01:25 pm
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Every company is lying to you to an extent, but Rogers took it too another level this summer when they jacked up the prices of your internet access, placed restrictions on the amount of bandwidth you use and packaged this all as 'MyHomeAdvantage' - I don't know whose home this benefits but it isn't mine.
August / December 9, 2008 at 02:03 pm
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Telecom in this country is ridiculously bad, although of the big 3, Telus is the only one that hasn't overbilled me by hundreds of dollars (I don't know how it is now, but years ago Bell Mobility wouldn't correct an overbill problem unless you agreed to extend your contract). I spent hours and hours fighting about that, and when I complained that it was extortion, a Bell employee actually said "so sue us".

Rogers was nearly as bad, and lately their cable Internet service has been so sketchy (particularly after the price increase, and then a few months later the speed bump, followed by the bandwidth cap) that I'm starting to look around for affordable alternatives.

I fail to see how any Canadian consumer can deal with Rogers (or most of its competitors, for that matter) for more than one or two transactions without coming away with an impression of corruption.
Carrie / December 9, 2008 at 02:48 pm
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I have to call Rogers every. single. month. to get my bills amended. I might as well design a Rogers AutoDialer for iPhone that rings them up the day I get my bill. There are many hours of my life I'll never get back from waiting on hold with those f'ers, and dealing with their incompetent employees once I actually did get them on the phone.
Ryan L. replying to a comment from Diane / December 9, 2008 at 04:14 pm
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And Koodoo?

Telus in sheeps' clothing.

I've already started hearing bad things about them.

Jason / December 9, 2008 at 05:58 pm
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I don't trust Rogers. If they can screw an extra $1 out of you, they will. Here's a new asshole maneuver I just discovered: There is no breakdown of my minutes on my cell phone bill. If I want to see what I'm paying for (and verify that Roger's didn't make an error) I have pay an extra $3/month for "Detailed Billing".
Chris Orbz / December 9, 2008 at 06:42 pm
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This is an awful lot of complaining, most of it pretty serious too. The worst I've got going on is that they currently claim I owe them $500, half of which I can't explain, and the website denies that there are any bills associated with my account when I try to log in and find out what's going on. Of course, they can call me and threaten to cut off my service unless I pay up, but can't explain a cent of the money they say I owe.

Someone needs to do more than take Rogers to task, it seems like people ought to be taking them to court en masse. Does anyone have any insight as to what sort of real recourse we might have against actually fraudulent behaviour on the part of the country's largest corporations? (Waiting for politicians to do anything obviously not being an option.)

Also, I worked at the "tailgate" party, and it even seemed like a total crock from the staff side of the tables. The $6 beers on top of the restrictive liquor laws and insane game ticket prices was an awful lot of billshit and probably took away the only part of football that's actually any fun to many of these people... and no doubt the $6 pricing cut into the tips that would've ended up in my pocket. Scam-o-rama all around.
Eric replying to a comment from Chris Orbz / December 10, 2008 at 09:57 pm
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Possibly a class-action suit would be best.

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