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New TTC Bus and Streetcar Shelters Finally Erected

Posted by Roger Cullman / October 9, 2008

New TTC bus and streetcar shelters erected in TorontoTTC bus and streetcar shelters finally got a facelift today.

About to get on the Queen streetcar just east of Landsdowne, I noticed a maintenance crew busily working at the spot previously occupied by a bus shelter that had been noticeably absent in recent weeks.

The new bus shelters are an extension of the TTC Next Train Arrival program announced last month that will bring us information such as when the next TTC vehicle is to arrive to the streets of Toronto. The displays on the new shelters will also feed us information on delays, helping us make decisions like "Should I wait for the next vehicle, take a cab or walk instead?"

New TTC bus and streetcar shelters erected in TorontoI asked one of the workers how long it takes to put up the new shelter and he said "about an hour." He told me they had just completed a section along Dundas and are working on the entire city's new shelters.

"Eventually, we'll have LED screens on poles or built into all-new shelters that will show the expected time and physical location of the next vehicle," said TTC Chair Adam Giambrone at the launch of the One Stop Network initiative last month.

Implementing this sort of plan is long overdue. But just in time for the inclement weather ahead. It may take a little more time before all the new technology such as a digital readout announcing the arrival times of the next two surface vehicles, but it's coming soon to a TTC route near you.

Getting on the streetcar, it took me past the Dufferin stop, where the old shelter hadn't even been taken down yet. I wondered when they'd get to that stop. And how they decided which areas needed new shelters first.

Is there a ghost shelter spot in your neighbourhood awaiting a fancy new shelter to be erected? What do you think of the new TTC bus shelters?

Photos by Roger Cullman.

Discussion

29 Comments

Danielle / October 9, 2008 at 12:35 am
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Cynically, I can only think they'll abandon the job before actually getting all bus stops replaced. This is probably MOST needed in places that are only frequented by buses that are usually late, in the boroughs, (OR the dufferin bus!) but may not even make it that far.
Jordan / October 9, 2008 at 01:33 am
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Of the two I've spotted so far that had cross streets labeled on them, both were labeled incorrectly! "Ossington Cr" sits on Harbord at Ossington (Ossington Crescent exists a few blocks south of there)...and of course, I can't remember the second right now...
Ryan L. / October 9, 2008 at 06:34 am
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"This is probably MOST needed in places that are only frequented by buses that are usually late, in the boroughs, (OR the dufferin bus!) but may not even make it that far."

They've had them out here in the east end for at least a month now on at least a few bus routes.

I first noticed them along the entire length of Victoria Park (not exactly the best neighbourhood). They installed shelters at every single stop, regardless of if there was a shelter there prior.

They didn't appear to have the 'next bus arrival' signs installed yet however.
Jerrold / October 9, 2008 at 07:25 am
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At first glance, that lead photo can be mistaken for something else. lol.
Kelly / October 9, 2008 at 08:59 am
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I was wondering where they were all disappearing to. In the last week I've noticed they've removed three in the Sherbourne/King St E area.
Steve / October 9, 2008 at 09:37 am
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There's a bunch of old shelters taken down along Gerrard in the Regent Park area. But that was a week ago, and the only sign of something new so far is a fresh layer of concrete.
Roger / October 9, 2008 at 09:52 am
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We had that fresh layer of concrete for several weeks at the Queen and Landsdowne location too. They're all supposed to go up before the first snowfall.

It snowed in Newfoundland yesterday. Let's hope they beat the snowy weather here too. I'm sure I'm not the only one who would hate being caught in a snowfall waiting for a bus or streetcar where no shelter exists.
Ratpick / October 9, 2008 at 10:00 am
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OK, so they'll have signs that tell us how long the wait will be for the next vehicle. Great.

Will they also be able to tell us if the next vehicle is going to receive orders to short-turn and dump us off on a rainy corner up ahead?
Roger / October 9, 2008 at 10:07 am
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@Ratpick: Not bloody likely. But you might get to know how far behind the next streetcar the following one is. And their approximate time of arrival. GPS can only predict so much. :)
Schmoo / October 9, 2008 at 10:27 am
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Aesthetically the new shelters are alright i suppose. I'm not too keen on the tapered metal supports for the glass roofs, and the wall with the lit advertising is about twice as thick as it should be.
Sealast / October 9, 2008 at 10:30 am
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Hot legs on that first guy!
On a more serious note, this technology would be greatly appreciated, but I have to say that Vancouver has had this running for probably 8 years now.
Roger / October 9, 2008 at 10:31 am
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I don't care too much about aesthetics of the shelters as long as they do their job adequately. That is, to protect the shivering TTC commuters from the elements.
Gloria / October 9, 2008 at 10:44 am
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Mm. Boots.
Schmoo / October 9, 2008 at 10:48 am
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@Roger

It would be pretty silly if a shelter couldn't do just that.
Roger / October 9, 2008 at 11:03 am
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I've been in TTC bus shelters that barely sheltered from the wind. In their several incarnations, TTC shelters have served more of an outlet for advertising than for what most of us would consider its main function?-- to shelter us from the elements.
HCU / October 9, 2008 at 11:53 am
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From what I saw(Shelter in front of the drake), it doesn't look anything like a shelter.
There's only two sides of it that seems to be covered.
hey / October 9, 2008 at 11:56 am
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The new shelters provide much less protection from the elements. The glass does not meet the ground so wind can whip in. The entrance is about 10ft high so angled rain can easily get in. But, of course, providing shelter isn't their purpose.

Also I think the ads may not be aimed at TTC patrons waiting for the bus but to drivers and people walking past.
Roger / October 9, 2008 at 12:09 pm
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Perhaps we should rename these TTC transit "shelters" something else. Anyone else find it ironic that Astral Media advertise on their own product the side-effect of these shelters "...and stay dry."
joethechef / October 9, 2008 at 12:17 pm
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On lansdowne it is funny to note that the shelters went up without glass and stayed that way for a few weeks but of course ads were posted within days.
Jonathan / October 9, 2008 at 12:23 pm
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"I asked one of the workers how long it takes to put up the new shelter and he said "about an hour." He told me they had just completed a section along Dundas and are working on the entire city's new shelters."

About an hour yes... all at once.. no.

They have been spending 30 minutes to put up the roof and ad part, then come back for the side panels two weeks later.
This is what HCU is talking about above.

I've also noticed several incorrectly labeleld shelters. Including one at Dundas and Belwwods that says "Dundas Street"
chenyip / October 9, 2008 at 12:35 pm
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Roger: considering Astral Media paid for these bad-boys, i guess its theirs to do what they please.
Roger / October 9, 2008 at 12:37 pm
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@Sealast: Do you mean with the digital readouts, like in <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/ninja9ine/2531755070/"; target="_blank">this photo</a>?
katiec / October 9, 2008 at 01:49 pm
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@Jonathan

So they are coming back to finish putting the sides of the shelters? I waiting under a new one yesterday in the rain that only had the roof and thought it was finished... needless to say, I wasn't sheltered from the rain at all without sides.
jonathan / October 9, 2008 at 02:20 pm
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I highly encourage anyone that sees a shelter not up, half hazardly put up or up with problems to email here:

commitmenttoquality@outdoor.astral.com

I fell to the ground due to unsafe circumstances. There is a 1 foot rise on the concrete base which wasn't taped with safety tape
jamesmallon / October 9, 2008 at 05:43 pm
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I knew it couldn't be the city or the TTC working for our benefit: a non-shelter as a medium for advertising. Now if streetcars could be bought and put on the street by a sponsor often enough to make me reconsider having given up on all surface TTC transit since last year, I might just buy their product!
jreynolds / October 9, 2008 at 06:22 pm
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Here's the problem with the new "shelters"

Where the hell are the walls? I have seen many with just one wall and two posts holding up the other side. Maybe they aren't complete (try Dupont and Dundas W, among others) but they've been like that for awhile. Come winter, with snow, the bitter wind and sometimes rain, these "shelters" are going to be useless. They were clearly designed by someone who has not waited for up to an hour for the TTC on a cold, blustery night.
Ian / October 9, 2008 at 06:55 pm
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Unfortunately, the folks at Astral who decided what name to put on the shelter haven't been in touch with the folks at the TTC who decided what to call the stop.

Tons of the new shelters show street names that do not match the announced stop on busses/streetcars. (For example, two or three in a row on Eglinton eastbound, east of Bayview).

This is confusing.
Mikey / October 10, 2008 at 12:30 am
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More than confusing, Ian, considering that the TTC is seldom if ever on time! The drivers don't care, as they're a bunch of ignorant, overpaid idiots, for the most part and not surprisingly so, when you look at who the TTC hires for drivers! They hire anybody! I have seen some rather ridiculous looking, unshaved, long haired,out of uniform drivers ever! Many drivers need to brush up on their customer service skills too, as they don't have any!
The TTC has got to be the most mismanaged company in the country, operating at over a million dollars a day losses, so no matter what they do, things only get worse. The TTC supplement it's screw ups by increasing the fares and the average rider gets stuck paying the price!
What a joke!!
Bubba / October 23, 2008 at 12:00 am
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These new shelters are death traps, I've seen an accident where a car drove into one of these new shelters, good thing no one was standing in it, if there was they would be dead. With the old bus shelters there were 4 posts as the new ones only have 2 , so traffic can see the advertising unobstructed.

I was involved in car accident a few years back, where a car drove into on of the old brown bus shelters, the car struck one of the corner posts and it was stopped dead in it's tracks, if it had been one of the new shelters the people standing there would have been killed, as the car would have gone right through the shelter with nothing stopping it. I was one of those people standing in the shelter and thank God the shelter's corner post stopped the car.

So use these shelters at your own peril, the city & TTC is so desperate for money that they are putting the public's safety second to making money. They are giving company's carte blanche over our city for a few buck's.

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