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Morning Brew: May 26th, 2008

Posted by Jerrold Litwinenko / May 26, 2008

20080526_mb.jpgPhoto: "when i wake" by MCXL5, member of the blogTO Flickr pool.

Your Toronto morning news roundup for Monday May 26th, 2008:

A foiled robbery attempt in a high end store in Yorkville has some employees concerned about their safety. In this instance, (seldom praised) road congestion in the area was partially responsible for the quick arrest of two suspects who were attempting to flee.

$6million per station times 69 stations equals $414million. That's an early estimate for what it would cost to have safety doors installed on TTC subway platforms. It's always hard (if not impossible) to put a price on human lives, but does the fact that this cost prohibitive system is being considered suggest that more people than we hear about are pushed or jump in front of speeding trains?

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Toronto Police continue to have difficulties recruiting officers of Asian descent. Although 16% of the force is now made up of people of racial minority, there's still a long way to go to have the force more representative of the actual ethnic and racial makeup of the city, which is far more diverse.

Provincial Education Minister Kathleen Wynne has finally stepped in and has ordered an investigation of Toronto Catholic District School Board's trustee spending. It's not clear which of the Ten Commandments it falls under, but I'm pretty sure that those involved know that thou shalt not receive compensation ten times for the same activity.

Kensington market, in addition to kicking off a season of car-free Pedestrian Sundays, was officially declared a national historic site this weekend. The gem of a neighbourhood has seen a lot of changes over the years, but continues to sparkle.

Discussion

24 Comments

apetimberlake / May 26, 2008 at 09:07 am
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I really like seeing religious sikhs with turbans policing the most white bread area's of the city.

THE HORROR!
Loozrboy / May 26, 2008 at 09:34 am
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This photo seems to show an area of Toronto I'm not so familiar with. :]
Ry Tron / May 26, 2008 at 09:37 am
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Having used London's Tube system I can say I like the idea of the safety doors and think they're worth every penny. They're particularly good for not only preventing "pushers" but also keeping children and the blind (is that a "bad" word now? Everything's bad these days) from accidentally falling between the cars.
Jerrold / May 26, 2008 at 09:38 am
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I can't get anything past you guys, eh? The photo is of downtown Vancouver :)
Sean Galbraith / May 26, 2008 at 09:50 am
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In traffic engineering, I believe the value of 1 human life is about $500,000 (i.e. if you can make a design change that will cost $500k or less and is forecasted to save one life, it is done. Otherwise, it isn't).
jt / May 26, 2008 at 10:01 am
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the majority of london's tube stations do not have glass barriers.

only the new stations do. Let use that standard - if we get a new station, it will get glass doors. Until then, lets focus on basic service - not flourishes.
Mark Dowling / May 26, 2008 at 10:13 am
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jt - your comment is an epic fail on two counts.

1. Toronto has put up with "no-flourish" for long enough. It shows.

2. Platform doors aren't a flourish! TTC has published numbers relating to number of minutes lost per annum due to incidents preventable by track doors such as fires and suicides. Platform doors will inhibit entry of manganese-containing brake dust, reduce airflow from humid tunnels and thus airconditioning energy use and reduce the appalling screech from the brakes. If the rollercoaster to the airport car park can have platform doors, surely a full blown subway can.
Wrenkin / May 26, 2008 at 10:50 am
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"...reduce airflow from humid tunnels and thus airconditioning energy use..."

Reduce? I thought many stations were currently ventilated by passing trains moving air around?
Ratpick / May 26, 2008 at 10:55 am
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apetimberlake:

I get a kick out of your assumption that white Torontonians are horrified by Sikh cops in turbans. Newsflash for you: most white Torontonians are fairly progessive people.
Adam / May 26, 2008 at 11:27 am
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I know the media has a policy against reporting suicides, but I'm really interested in seeing some hard numbers about this kind of thing. If you're going to do a proper cost/benefit analysis, it's a critical factor.

You can make the same case for roads - people get hit by cars all the time by walking onto the street at the wrong time. I'm sure people get pushed onto the road as well (either purposely or by accident). Should we put glass walls along the roads?

Where do you draw the line?
Adam / May 26, 2008 at 11:45 am
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Maybe the ttc should take a page from Tokyo Transit Authority and investigate employing some subway packers to help keep peace and safety on the rails...http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=FbyJbtOpIU4

Or hey, how about people just stand back from the yellow line???
Ryan L. / May 26, 2008 at 12:19 pm
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Adam, while the media doesn't report suicides, the TTC, in a way does. If you happen to be on the system when it happens, causing a stoppage, it is often reported as 'personal injury on the tracks'.

One day coming home from downtown there was a 'personal injury' at st george station. The power had to be cut from Bay to ossington. When the subways were finally up and running, there was another 'personal injury' at islington station. It took me, and many other people 3 hours to get home that day for a 20 minute subway ride.

Generally, if someone steps in front of a car, it doesn't fuck up the entire city and cost people a lot of money.

And plus, I really wouldn't think stepping in front of a car is even remotely as common as a suicide method, as few people end up dying from being hit by a car.
guy lafleur stole my bike / May 26, 2008 at 12:27 pm
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http://suicideandmentalhealthassociationinternational.org/stopsuitrain.html

'Although the exact number is unclear, Bruce Bryer, a TTC ticket agent for 23 years, says that on average one person jumps every week. "Something needs to be done, because we can't ignore it any longer," he says.'

Gloria / May 26, 2008 at 12:54 pm
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Adam: Have you tried standing back from the yellow line during rush hour at Bloor/Yonge or St. George? Oy, the crowds ...
BH / May 26, 2008 at 01:08 pm
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If people want to jump, let them jump. It's not as if it'll change their mind about suicide. It would really be nice if people are allowed to take responsibility for their actions rather than spending more money to protect them from themselves, a concept that appears increasingly rarer in this bubble-wrapped nanny state we call Canada. Stopping the system due to a jumper is an occasional inconvenience for the commuters but hardly worth the expense when money is in short supply for the TTC. And for the other cases (pushers, the blind etc.) all people have to do is stand behind the line to avoid accidents. The platforms are already designed to indicate to blind people where the line is.
adam / May 26, 2008 at 01:09 pm
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Yeah, you're right - better to stand on the yellow line and risk accident. Regardless of time of day or station congestion, there's always room to stand back and be safe, or take the next train.

Sure, safety doors would be 'safer'...but so would running more trains (on time) to reduce congestion, employing more station security at track level, or a myriad of other potential alternatives that don't cost the ttc what they cannot afford.

As far as suicide's concerned - if you're going to do it, you're going to do it...it's a shame that the ttc bears the reputational damage whenever someone causes an 'accident', but they're not going to change human nature by installing safety doors, they're just going to deflect the accident away from their name.

The ttc should spend more energy solving problems inherent to the transit system, not society as a whole...I'm sure that money could be well spent in system upgrades to bring the embarrassing Toronto transit closer in line with other world class cities.
Alex G / May 26, 2008 at 02:38 pm
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I personally couldn't care less if somebody wants to kill themselves, as long as it doesn't affect me.

You'd think that people would have a clear understanding of business by now. The only time something is done is when NOT doing it is projected to cost more than doing it.

If, over say 5 years, combined service interruptions are projected to cost more than the cost of installing gates, it's not a hard decision.
Ryan L. / May 26, 2008 at 03:25 pm
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When the subway gets shut down because someone wanted to take their own life, then it -does- effect other people. Making someone late for a job interview, or a doctor's appointment. I'm sure when the subway is down for a half hour to an hour that it causes significant financial loss throughout the city.
Gloria / May 26, 2008 at 04:50 pm
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Adam: Trying to make a light-hearted quip...

But more seriously, although far from impossible, it does become more difficult to stay "safe" as more and more riders frequent the transit system. Union Station has long been known for its dangerously narrow platform, a flaw that's exacerbated with the amount of foot traffic that flows through.

Recall the yellow line is only about a foot wide. I doubt that much is going to help anyone violently pushed over the platform edge, or even tripping over themselves as they turn a corner. It's at best a reminder to riders to watch their feet.

Re: cost of delays: There are other examples too. I've sweated it out at least once, stranded on the subway while I was trying to get to a final exam. They don't tend to reschedule those for you.
Dale752389 / May 26, 2008 at 04:59 pm
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First, the TTC would have to figure out how to stop their subways & RT at the same spot each time. Which now, unfortunately never happens...
guy lafleur stole my bike / May 26, 2008 at 06:39 pm
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Dale, there's some automated system they're installing that will make that possible. Unfortunately that system won't be in place for years on the yellow line and decades on the green line, so all of this protective door talk is very premature.

Anyone know why the yellow line gets everything before the green line? The stations actually have unique designs and decor, the renovations and cleaning are more frequent...what's up with that?
Danielle / May 27, 2008 at 02:21 am
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6 MILLION DOLLARS. PER STATION.
It boggles the mind. Why not just hire a police officer to patrol each PLATFORM? (not station, platform) it would be cheaper and would probably solve other multitudes of safety issues.
Chris Orbz / May 27, 2008 at 02:29 am
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I'm not concerned about people killing themselves as much as killing me or someone I care about, and while some people who take their own life may do so after plenty of calm calculation, many others who are at the point where their life has no value to them switch into this mode where no life has value to them, hence all the school/mall shooting BS of "taking as many people down with them as possible". That's on a much more horrific scale, but there's a lot of nutjobs in this city and there are probably enough who don't see a difference between pushing, jumping, pushing and jumping. Someone was just pushed onto the tracks like last week and scrambled to safety, it was in the Metro.
aahhrrgg / May 27, 2008 at 08:53 am
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I know, let's put some sort of 'luminous veil' across the platform....

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