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Could We Walk Across Bay and Bloor Diagonally?

Posted by Eugene / October 1, 2007

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As a devoted pedestrian, it's always nice to come across walk-friendly ideas.

Just in time for the current four-day Walk21 Conference (tag line: "Putting Pedestrians First"), a report produced by the Public Works and Infrastructure Committee will get some discussion time (and be discussed by City Council). The proposals in the report describes a bunch of relatively easy-to-implement ideas that are supposed to make walking, biking or TTC-ing more doable.

The report
talks about widening sidewalks, doing an environmental assessment on that proposed east-west bike lane across the city and increasing the length of time pedestrians can walk across busy intersections.

One of the coolest proposals (well, cool if you get excited about subjects like traffic flows and terms like "traffic calming" like I do) is using the "Pedestrian Scramble" (the above pic of the Shibuya crossing in Japan is probably the most famous "scramble" of all). The idea is pretty simple - keep all traffic lights red for a bit in a busy intersection. With all vehicles stopped, pedestrians are free to cross on all sides and can even walk diagonally across. The scramble phase of the intersection, sometimes referred to as the Barnes Dance (for reasons that Wikipedia is best used to explain), has been proposed for a trial run at two hugely busy intersections - Bay and Bloor and Yonge and Bloor.

Will this lead to happier pedestrians or confused Torontians bumping into each other? It's hard to say, but the scramble practice is pretty common in a bunch of other places. Innovate pedestrian ideas are always interesting, but if you ever had to walk around a car stuck in the middle of an intersection at a red light, you know we'll need a lot more ideas to keep us running smoothly and get some cars off the road. Still, I would love to see if this works.

Photo: Jerrold Litwinenko

Discussion

12 Comments

Jordan / October 2, 2007 at 02:15 am
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In some places in Boston they used to use the scamble idea as well - though I always found it to be more of a impediment then a help. It usually took at least twice as long, if not a bit longer for the pedestrian single to come on - it was frustrating to say the least.
Gregg / October 2, 2007 at 09:50 am
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I personally think that the underpass is the best solution. Pedestrians crossing under the street is quick and efficient. However it is expensive to install, especially if disabled access is required.
suresh / October 2, 2007 at 10:16 am
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I was in Japan almost a year ago, and I probably crossed the Shibuya intersection about 50 times. There are many other intersections in Japan (tokyo-Shinjuku) that employ the same strategy...
It was chaos but controlled chaos. The people knew exactly how to take advantage of the allway crossing. I think this is a great idea to keep traffic moving.
Jerrold / October 2, 2007 at 10:19 am
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I'm a huge fan of scramble crossings. They're really efficient, and make pedestrians safer.
james / October 2, 2007 at 10:53 am
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if vancouver has had it since 1940, we gots to have it.
Stephen / October 2, 2007 at 11:11 am
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Sounds fantastic. Let's not forget that the same report suggested a bike lane for Bloor-Danforth.

As for an underpass, there is no doubt that disabled access (read ramp or elevator) is required and expected, anything less is not acceptable, making the cost extremely high. Also, such a design gives up the street to cars. A street is for everyone, not just cars and we should not be proposing ideas that make the car the sole owner of the road.
Ryan C / October 2, 2007 at 12:07 pm
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Whenever I cross the street on a green light I nearly get killed by a driver doing a right on a red. I can't imagine how many near death experiences I'd have with the sidewalk scramble...

But I dare say it might be fun to skip across, whistling "Steamboat Willie" while doing so.
Eric S. Smith / October 2, 2007 at 12:27 pm
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There'd have to be a "super red" during the scramble phase, forbidding right turns -- there's probably already a symbol for it (the opposite of a green left-turn arrow?).

Gotta love those cars trying to cross-check you as you're stepping on to the street...
J-rock / October 3, 2007 at 06:45 am
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I was born and raised in the GTA, but have spent the past several years living in Japan. Shibuya crossing might be my favourite intersection in the entire world. As mentioned above, while it might seem chaotic initially, it works. Toronto should at least give it a try.
Ben / October 5, 2007 at 09:10 am
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For those who haven't been to Japan, you can check out a pedestrian scramble in the quiet town of Guelph! The intersection of Quebec and Wyndham St.s has had a scramble for about 10 years now.
P3tra / October 28, 2007 at 11:24 pm
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I'm sorry, but the only positives I see in these scramble crossings are 1) If someone's walking diagonally or 2)If someone's trying to catch a bus on the other side of the street. Tokyo and it's GTA has population of 35 million people, Toronto is nowhere near that. What about during the night, when there isn't a lot of foot traffic? Like cars, pedestrians must be aware of their surroundings as well. Don't blame everything on the cars as I have seen my fare share of stupid pedestrains. Just use the underground pathway.
Tim / November 16, 2007 at 01:23 am
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Great photo.

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