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The Killer Wait: TTC Bus Idling Needs to Stop

Posted by Tanja / February 9, 2007

TTC Idling Needs to StopWhen the mercury dips as low as it has this past week, I am reminded of why I love using St. Clair West Station. It may be chilly in there, but being underground, the windchill is never a factor and therefore it beats braving the elements any day.

Unfortunately, there are other health hazards besides frostbite that'll get you instead. Hazards like the air pollution of a bus, idling at its indoor stop for 10+ minutes as you stand a couple feet away sucking back the carbon.

Tonight, I waited patiently for my beloved streetcar while the driver of this bus took his long-awaited (and lengthy) bathroom break with his bus idling a few short feet from a line of commuters (including elderly and children!)

Cars might be faced with a hefty ticket, but somehow bus drivers are getting away with it all the time... even in a relatively enclosed space like this one.

To boot, half way through the wait, the salting truck pulls up on the other side and dumps salt into a bin along the side, sending chalky-sodium-white dust clouds wafting over in our direction as well.

Moms hold mits over their kids' faces and I bury my face deep in a knit scarf. It's all you can really do.

(Aside from, of course, going home, filing a complaint and then blogging all about it.)

Discussion

20 Comments

Tim / February 9, 2007 at 11:16 am
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I'm getting totally fed up with the insanely lousy streetcar service on queen (and to a certain extent king as well). for some reason they can't seem to schedule the streetcars properly. on numerous occasions, 2 or more pass by within seconds of each other and then there is a long wait (like 20-30 minutes) until the next one comes along. of course, quite often then it is totally packed and you're lucky if you can get on.
Jerrold / February 9, 2007 at 12:00 am
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I've seen rows of buses at stations and TTC bus depots, no driver on board, running. What's up with that?
iaresee / February 9, 2007 at 12:00 am
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streetcar bunching is a classic queue theory problem that's been worked on for a long long time. how do you mix a queue with defined entry and exit points and a regulated rate of flow (that is streetcars on a track traveling on a schedule) with traffic that can enter and exit the queue at random points and at random rates (all non-streetcar traffic). it is a scenario we can successfully model in queuing software but have yet to find a solution to (excluding dedicated street car lanes [i.e. not allowing random traffic into your regulated queue]).

indeed <a href="http://pubsindex.trb.org/document/view/default.asp?lbid=777105";>the ttc is studying the problem and modeling possible solutions</a>. it's just hard. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NP-complete_problems#Routing_problems";>np-complete hard</a>. which generally means smart people get paid by universities to think about it all the time.

so it could pay to think about a solution to the bunching problem while you're standing around freezing your 'nads off...

on a slight tangent to the bus idling complaint: does anyone know what ttc policy is for drivers hopping out of buses while their on their routes to say, i don't know, grab a slice of pizza or a coffee? i ride the 92 woodbine south bus and two nights in a row this week the driver stopped south of queen and woodbine to jet into pizza pizza. he just left 4 or 5 us sitting there on the bus with it idling and the door wide open. i keep meaning to call the ttc info line to check on the official policy...
Tanja / February 9, 2007 at 12:00 am
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I can mildly understand idling on the street when they run to get a coffee -- cause otherwise I assume the lights/heat would go out... but inside a station is ridiculous and insulting as a waiting commuter.
garry / February 9, 2007 at 02:07 pm
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good colours on the shot, Tanja!
Johnny / February 9, 2007 at 04:56 pm
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I agree! I stand in York Mills station every morning and inhale the fumes of as many as six buses at a time. There are no visible exhaust fans (presumably the street entrance to the station is enough to keep us all from dying). On mornings where I have waited a long time for an Express bus, I have developed headaches and nausea from the fumes.
Danielle / February 9, 2007 at 11:47 pm
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Tim, that's exactly what happens when buses/streetcars DON'T idle.
Tanja / February 10, 2007 at 03:40 am
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C'mon now, Danielle, a vehicle can sit without running it's engine. This isn't a Little Miss Sunshine moment where they have to keep the VW bus at 15+ to keep it alive.
A.R. / February 10, 2007 at 08:35 pm
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The issue of buses idling is an important issue, thanks for raising it Tanja. I don't know the stats, but the TTC is now acquiring many hybrid buses. If the hybrid buses work like hybrid cars such as the Toyota Prius, then the combustion engine turns of while idling, only the electric motor runs.
Of course unless something else is done by drivers of older buses now, commuters will still be exposed to the dangerous gases.
Greg / February 11, 2007 at 12:39 am
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I can't say for sure, but ride those hybrid buses most days on the 36... and I've never noticed an engine audibly turning off.

And I <em>n</em>th the concern about idling underground at St. Clair. Just passing through from the subway station to the surface (oh blessed on-my-commute Loblaws) makes me feel a little ill. I can't imagine having to wait there for any extended period of time.

TTC policy aside, is there any way to force the city to take air quality measurements?
Greg / February 11, 2007 at 12:42 am
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..err, that's St. Clair <em>West</em>, of course.
Rocco / February 12, 2007 at 07:05 am
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That's it take a shot at the driver bu commenting about his/her so called lengthy washroom break. Gee, how qould you like to drive 1 hour or more without having the chance to take a bathroom break. Over 99% of the time the so called break at the end of the line is called "make-up" time built into the schedule.Drivers are people to you think we enjoy the fumes or somehting?
stung / February 12, 2007 at 12:54 pm
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Rocco, no one is complaining about their bathroom break, its the fact that they have to leave their bus idling during it.
ed / February 19, 2007 at 11:51 am
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well folks...you wont believe this but the law allows for buses to idle for as long as they like when certain weather conditions become apparent. the ttc is always preaching to operators about shutting down buses. the maintenance department of the ttc tremble when buses get shut down because all the buses except for the new accessible ones use an air start system to get them started. the new ones are electric start. when an air start bus fails to start after being shut down it takes two people and a compressor truck to get them started again and that could take a couple of hours to pump enough air into the bus to have it start. i just thought you should know this
Tanja / February 22, 2007 at 04:18 pm
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Thanks for that common sense, stung.
Brian / February 25, 2007 at 07:04 pm
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And of course the TTC is always crying about gas prices...

I wonder why they are consuming so much gas. By turning the bus off if its going to idle would probably reduce some of the TTCs overhead...

Bad business management IMO
Andrew / February 26, 2007 at 01:22 pm
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I am complaining about the bathromm breaks. I am also complaining about the coffee and, and as one commenter noted, pizza breaks. I sit at my desk at work for 4 hours or more before I need to use the bathroom. What is wrong with the drivers, Rocco? Are they all suffering from tiny bladders that they need to use the bathroom every hour?
These guys are the biggest whiners. Can't keep a schedule and they expect us to pay for it, like when they "short-turn" streetcars on Queen when they are running late. That just screws the people on the ends of the line who then have to wait for another car in the cold and that makes the rider even more late because the initial streetcar was late in the first place.
What is the point of publishing a schedule that indicates a vehicle every 5 minutes when it takes 20-45 minutes for one to come?
I don't accept that it is due to snow or anything else because the trip from Neville Park to downtown takes the same amount of time in the winter as it dies in the summer - I have times it numerous times.
I am a 21 year veteran rider and I have worked for the Commission as well. I know about what I am talking about. They have no respect for their PAYING riders and treat us as lower class citizens because we take transit.
I don't have to take the TTC, I can afford a car, I choose to based on my beliefs in mass transit but these guys are quickly changing my mind as to whether this is a good choice. I don't need to wait excessive amounts of time for a driver who is late, rude and who cries everytime they don't get their way(read wildcat strike).
I have taken to riding my bike everywhere 8 months of the year and I am better off for it. My heart beats like a swiss clock and my muscles are toned. No waiting, rudeness or people on their cellphones. Plus a savings of $800/year not wasted on Metropasses.
I use public transit when I visit other places and, in my experience, even 3rd World countries with rickety, broken buses are better able to keep their schedules than the TTC. Know why? Because they aren't overpaid union crybabies. They feel a need to please their customers.
The biggest condemnation of the TTC that I can think of is that it appears as if the majority of their operators drive to work. Why not take the "Better Way"?
Andrew / February 26, 2007 at 01:24 pm
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I am complaining about the bathromm breaks. I am also complaining about the coffee and, and as one commenter noted, pizza breaks. I sit at my desk at work for 4 hours or more before I need to use the bathroom. What is wrong with the drivers, Rocco? Are they all suffering from tiny bladders that they need to use the bathroom every hour?
These guys are the biggest whiners. Can't keep a schedule and they expect us to pay for it, like when they "short-turn" streetcars on Queen when they are running late. That just screws the people on the ends of the line who then have to wait for another car in the cold and that makes the rider even more late because the initial streetcar was late in the first place.
What is the point of publishing a schedule that indicates a vehicle every 5 minutes when it takes 20-45 minutes for one to come?
I don't accept that it is due to snow or anything else because the trip from Neville Park to downtown takes the same amount of time in the winter as it dies in the summer - I have times it numerous times.
I am a 21 year veteran rider and I have worked for the Commission as well. I know about what I am talking about. They have no respect for their PAYING riders and treat us as lower class citizens because we take transit.
I don't have to take the TTC, I can afford a car, I choose to based on my beliefs in mass transit but these guys are quickly changing my mind as to whether this is a good choice. I don't need to wait excessive amounts of time for a driver who is late, rude and who cries everytime they don't get their way(read wildcat strike).
I have taken to riding my bike everywhere 8 months of the year and I am better off for it. My heart beats like a swiss clock and my muscles are toned. No waiting, rudeness or people on their cellphones. Plus a savings of $800/year not wasted on Metropasses.
I use public transit when I visit other places and, in my experience, even 3rd World countries with rickety, broken buses are better able to keep their schedules than the TTC. Know why? Because they aren't overpaid union crybabies. They feel a need to please their customers.
The biggest condemnation of the TTC that I can think of is that it appears as if the majority of their operators drive to work. Why not take the "Better Way"?
kl / March 6, 2007 at 03:05 pm
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TTC employees are consistently some of the rudest people I encounter day to day in this city. I wish this wasn't true (for me and for them) but it's an unfortunate reality that Torontonians face every day
melissa / February 8, 2008 at 04:05 pm
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there was an article in the Metro about idling buses. do you happen to know where i can find this article online?

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