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Get a Free Pizza Slice from redToronto

Posted by Tim / December 12, 2005

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redToronto is so confident they are the best local search in Toronto, they're willing to offer - wait for it - a free slice of pizza to anyone who proves them wrong.

We all know that redToronto's search capabilities are far from perfect. But apparently they recognize this too, otherwise, they'd be forking out something a bit more, um, substantial than a free cheese or pepperoni slice from Pizza Pizza.

We're talking about a $2.59 value here. If they were really that sure they have the best search in Toronto - after all, they're running radio ads promoting this challenge on a bunch of local radio stations - don't you think they'd at least be willing to back that up with, say, a $3.09 Big Bacon Bonanza or a $3.59 Pesto Amore?

Ok. Here's how you, me and everyone else who reads this post is a shoe-in for a free slice.

There's plenty of other local search options out there. According to their rules, we need to be able to prove that any of them are better than redToronto when we search for any of the following: "products, services, businesses, organizations, government offices and events in the greater Toronto area".

With those restraints, I consulted blogTO and three local search options I thought might do a better job: Google, Yahoo! and Sympatico MSN. Here's what I decided to look for.

1. Product: A good burrito.
2. Organizations: Information about the Serial Diners which we posted about a couple of weeks ago.
3. Businesses: the fashion retailer M-One-11.

First up was the burrito. Yahoo! proved to be totally useless. blogTO wasn't bad but it pulled up all results that mentioned the word burrito, so more relevant entries like reviews on Big Fat Burrito and Burrito Boyz weren't at the top. (note to self: must improve search engine on blogTO) redToronto came up with Quesada Mexican Grill - a servicable burrito joint - but backed that up with what looks like paid ads from generic mexican restaurants like Bandido's and Tortilla Flats.

Not only did Google's search return better recommendations (see below - a subjective analysis I know), but they put all the restaurant locations on a map to make them easy to find. redToronto has mapping functions too but you need to click through to a separate page.

Round 1 goes to Google.

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Ok. So some of you might be thinking that my analysis of the quality of results for "burrito" were kind of subjective. Even discounting the obvious advantage of the mapping function, for round 2 the results look to be a bit more definitive.

For this round, I decided to look for information on the Serial Diners that Kristine posted about at the end of November.

This time I checked Google first and found Serial Diners listed second from the top. Next up was blogTO where it was the only result to be returned from my search inquiry. Last was redToronto which returned a whack of results for a bunch of local diners including 27 Diner (in Etobicoke) and Dangerous Dan's Diner which, incidentally, looks to have a pretty amazing burger.

Absent in the redToronto results was anything pointing to the Serial Diners. Uh oh, we know what that means. redToronto has now lost round 2.

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Just to be sure, for round 3 I decided to move away from the food category and look for M-One-11, a great little clothing store on Queen West that we've blogged about a number of times on blogTO.

This time, both redToronto and Google came up with nothing. Yahoo! had one of the blogTO posts as well as a link to the Australia site while Sympatico MSN returned the best results with a link to the Canadian site right at the top.

Hmmm. It's lunch time and that cheese slice is starting to seem kind of appealing.

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Ok. So here's what you need to do to claim your free slice. Cite any one of the examples above - or come up with your own - and fill out this form on the redToronto web site.

Bon appetit!

Discussion

10 Comments

Jeremy Wilson / December 12, 2005 at 04:16 pm
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Done and done. We'll see if I get my slice. Thanks!
matt / December 13, 2005 at 04:45 am
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When I discovered redToronto many months ago (I'm not in Toronto) I thought it is really very good idea - a local search index/engine.

No more stupid answers - just juice of the juice... not so...

The delusion come quite quick when I couldn't find quite obvious topics. There were only few answers - and I knew there were many more.

And for many more there were only generic information - not links to their existing web sites. That was curious...

I understand that anyone wants to earn money (so probably they want you to get money to insert you), but this is quite stupid.

If you prepare the list of local - say - media, so do it well. It is not so difficult, just check yellow pages :))

Unfortunately redToronto is not up to the expectations - and during this months in between my visits they haven't make it much better.

Tell them to try harder - it's not such a great pain. As some say - Just do it!

Everyone needs such LOCAL information - this is obvious, pity thet the good idea and poor execution don't give good results for us. Because I believe that redToronto is very well anyway..
lucy / December 14, 2005 at 01:57 pm
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To Dan, Jeremy, Christopher, and Brian:
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Thanks for your comments. Your pizza's on its way - enjoy - courtesy of redToronto, but thanks of course, to blogTO (not a bad site itself)...
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Your comments and suggestions are always welcomed.
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Just a couple of things - our listings are free to businesses (including website links) to those who wish to add their business listing information. Chances are good that that we already have them listed as we get our information from various sources, yellow pages being just one.
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As for new sites, it is just a matter of time before we encorporate them into our listings as we crawl Toronto sites regularly.
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We currently have over 80,000 GTA business listings to date, including hard to find government listings.
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Our first priority is to the user - we want you to be able to find what you're looking for in the city - whether it's an address or a phone number or a website. Businesses may chose to buy larger colour ads so that they get more visibility, but many small businesses may not have it in their budgets to do so, so we offer a pretty good free service for them. We have many businesses that tell us that they get great traffic and calls from their basic, yet effective free business listing on redToronto.com.
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We hope you keep coming back as we are always adding new functions and features to our site - like our geosorting function that tells you how far your results are to where you are, and our new WAP application that allows you to use redToronto from a PDA like your Blackberry or Treo, or our new SMS function that allows users to text a listing to a friend's cell phone.
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It's all good. We think. Like Jeremy said - it's a very good idea - our very own Toronto only local search. We know it will just keep getting better...
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Again, thanks for your comments. Keep on bloggin'
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lucy / December 14, 2005 at 02:08 pm
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Sorry Matt, I missed you in my comments and mistakingly gave someone else credit for something that you actually said - my apologies.
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I believe your pizza's in the mail, too.
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Thanks again guys.
tim / December 14, 2005 at 02:14 pm
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Lucy - thanks for adding your comments. It's great to see redToronto listening to consumers and participating in the conversation.
/pd / December 14, 2005 at 03:19 pm
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hehehehe.. I linked in <a href = "http://peterdawson.typepad.com/blog/2005/12/googs_vs_redtor.html";>here</a>
matt / December 15, 2005 at 05:13 am
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Lucy,

I will not be able to get your pizza as far as there is no Pizza-Pizza shop in some few thousands kilometers view.

But I'd like to see such great ideas (local search engine) to work well, you all know how difficult it is to find revelent local information.

And I find it especially important for those not living there (and not able to veryfi much).

There is another one which is equally disappointing HogDex....

You should also veryfi links (some are not working anymore).

I do not know how much money you have, but it's long time you do exist and if one person each day for 8 hours (that is a normal working day) would just insert data of local infos, media, businesses, etc - I do believe it would be enough.

Especially that it's quite easy nowadays - you can find most of them on the internet :))

So good luck and keep going on - thogh please try harder... anyway this is YOUR business - if you're good you'll earn more!

And try to 'expand' to other cities (no cost needed if 'frinchised') - maybe you'll get better position than Yahoo, Google or other global indexes (though they did understand as well that local is important). I'd like to see a Canadian company grow and become well known all over the world.

But do not make the mistake of Tucows, that underestimate importance of local languages (if you're going abroad).
garth breaks / December 16, 2005 at 06:01 pm
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Lucy,
RedToronto just earned some respect in my books by being up on the local blogs - well done.
Jeremy Wilson / December 20, 2005 at 01:12 pm
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Just an update -

I got a letter today from the folks at redToronto with 3 coupons for a free slice.

I have to say, they stuck to their word! Pretty good customer support there, and I have to credit them for following through!
kevin / February 2, 2006 at 06:43 pm
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I think torontopizza.ca is not perfect, but by far this is the most comprehesive online listing for pizza restaurants in toronto. This site includes almost all the pizza restaurants in toronto. It also allows visitors to vote, rate write/read reviews for the restaurants they have been to.

Another cool thing is that you can look up pizza flyers as well! The daily funnies section makes you laugh every day with funny stuff. there.

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