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Caitlin Cronenberg on the process of self-publishing a book of nude photos

Posted by Tim / July 13, 2010

caitlin cronenbergCaitlin Cronenberg has been getting a lot of press lately. For those who haven't seen any of these articles let me summarize: she's the daughter of one of Toronto's most famous filmmakers. She just self-published 1,500 copies of Poser, a book featuring black and white nude photography. She doesn't drink, she likes to dance and, yes, she has posed naked for a photographer before.

This coming Thursday she'll be celebrating the official launch of Poser so in advance of that I caught up with her to ask her a few questions about her book and the challenges of self-publishing.

Where can someone currently buy your book?

As of this very moment it is only available online but by mid-July it will also be available at the Indigo Bay and Bloor Indigo store and both TYPE Books locations in Toronto.

Why has indigo decided not to carry it in more of their stores?

It's standard with self-published books. They are starting it in the stores with the widest selection of photography books, and then if the book sells well in those locations there is always the chance they will put it in more stores. It's hard enough to get a self-published book into Indigo in the first place, so I'm quite pleased.

Are you trying to get other Toronto booksellers to carry it as well?

I haven't tried yet. I was going to wait until after the launch to approach more stores. Time has been tight for the past few months so once the launch is over I can explore the possibility of wider release.

You mentioned it has been a challenge (as a self published author) to get your book into stores like Indigo. What makes it so difficult? What process do you need to go through to get bookstores to carry your book?

I have been very lucky so far, in that each store I've approached has felt strongly about the book and has wanted to support it, but in general major bookstores rarely take self-published books. There is a process that publishers go to when they put books into stores and this has been the exact opposite of that process. For me it has been about taking meetings and explaining my situation.

Will you be selling it online (other than your own site)?

Yes it will be sold on the Indigo online store. I haven't started the process of putting it on Amazon just yet.

Do you think the subject matter of the book makes it more challenging to get it into stores?

I assumed it would be, but I think people look at the photos and see that they aren't sexual or pornographic in any way, so it isn't too controversial. Also the book itself comes shrink wrapped and with a belly band, so it isn't easy for children to just leaf through it. Even though the subject sounds like it should be a bit more taboo, the photos aren't that risqué. It's nudity like we all see everyday.

Before you decided to self-publish, did you try to find any publishing house to publish your book?

I tried briefly, but not extensively. My book wasn't the right fit with the first place I approached, and then when I realized the process of getting a book published through a publisher could take years, I decided I'd rather publish it myself. I didn't want to wait that long, and I wanted to maintain control over the final product since I had such a clear idea of how I wanted the book to look.

When I started shopping the book around it was smack in the middle of recession panic, so taking matters into my own hands made sense that way too.

Aside from taking the photos, writing and finding your subjects, what were the key steps you needed to go through to self-publish your book?

The next steps were finding a printer, finalizing the details (page number, book size, paper stock, etc), and then putting the layout together. After the printer received the files, they did a set of proofs for me to approve. After the proofing process, they print the book. I got mine printed overseas, so the work didn't stop until I was finished loading 125 boxes from my parents' driveway into into their living room.

What printer did you use?

I used Tien Wah Press in Singapore and they did an outstanding job.

caitlin cronenbergDo you distinguish between publishing nude photos in a book versus posting them online? In other words, how important is the medium?

I am very careful about what I post online. Any pictures that I release for public viewing, online or in any publications, don't show any genitals. I feel like nudity on the internet is so easy to spread, and I am worried about the pictures being taken out of context. I obviously can't control what people do with the pictures when they purchase a copy of the book, but I personally don't believe in posting them online. The series as a whole is what makes it special. Each picture individually, without context is just a picture

One thing I found interesting was how the book was organized. Most of the pages contain the name of the person and a photograph. But then at the back of the book you have more details about how you knew or met the person and got them to pose for you. Why did you decide to only include this extra info at the end?

It was important to me that people be able to look through all of the photos and see the subjects just as individuals, giving them a chance to make up their own stories and think whatever they wanted about each one. Then, after reading about the person in the index, the viewer has the opportunity to go back to the picture and look at it again in a completely different way

Sometimes quite a different way than how they first viewed it. It's like meeting people for the first time. We make judgments when we first meet somebody, but then after learning a bit about them our perceptions may change entirely.

Discussion

61 Comments

sloth / July 13, 2010 at 10:14 am
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Wow, a celeb shooter! No wait it's not her but daddy who is the celebrity. Well since she already got all this publicity why not blogto? It's important to showcase these people because they have it so hard to get any kind of attention out there, yes daddy's name might help, especially in celebrity starved Toronto, any bite will do.
It's a shame that blogto needed to add their voice to the never ending serenade of canadian news outlets covering this book of nudes, there is so much going on in Toronto in terms of photography but no one is looking since there is no sweet last name attached to it.
Keep up the good work!
TheWord / July 13, 2010 at 10:43 am
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Well said Sloth. There is an almost infinite number of amazing independent artists in this city and BlogTo has opted to do this piece on Whats-her-face Cronenberg.

As far as I can tell she has done nothing to garner this kind of attention aside from having loads of money to self-publish her book of mediocre photographs and a famous last name to ensure an endless supply of press.

The problem here is obvious. If her last name wasn't Cronenberg nobody would be interested in her. C'mon BlogTo!
Dad / July 13, 2010 at 10:52 am
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I agree with sloth. I wish my daddy was famous.

These pictures are very mediocre, for so many reasons; Caitlin, what are you saying with these? Do you have anything original to add to - uh, for lack of a better word - 'the genre'?

You should have picked up a book instead of put one out.
Tim / July 13, 2010 at 10:53 am
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I'm not going to deny that a famous last name doesn't draw attention but I think you're overlooking the merits of this, namely that the book is quite good (you should check it out before jumping to conclusions) and that, in my opinion, there are interesting insights to be gleaned from someone who took the risks of self-pubbing her own book.

Also, look out for another post on blogTO later this week featuring a different author who does not have a famous father and also self published a photography book. In other words, we will be featuring other Toronto self-published authors/photographers on this site.
Gruff G / July 13, 2010 at 10:55 am
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The folks who slag Caitlin and drone on about how she only has made it due to her name need to realize they are just as cliche and repetitive as the media outlets they are criticizing for giving her so much coverage. At what point do you get over it and critique her art and not the supposed free ride she has been given by birth right.

I'm not such a fan of her attitude, but I think Caitlin is a genuine talent. I know she has worked very hard on her own without help from her father or anyone else for that matter. Take a look at all of her stuff before you pass judgement.

It's not as if BLOG TO doesn't give support to "no name" or "lesser" independent artists out there in Toronto. There are endless examples of that on this site. Especially with musicians.

Get over it!

sloth replying to a comment from Gruff G / July 13, 2010 at 11:02 am
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Gruff I'm so sorry and I already got over it, you are right, her PR has nothing to do with her last name.
observer / July 13, 2010 at 11:11 am
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I have looked at Caitlin's work and to be honest, it's just OK. There are a lot of talented photographers in Toronto who have self published and not gotten love from Blog TO. There are also a lot of projects in Toronto featuring groups of artists that have been overlooked. Sorry, but I do think Caitlin's name and access to pr are the things that are affording her this much media attention.

Unfortunately, Toronto media is very predictable, once one outlet picks up on a 'hot' person, everyone else follows. I wish more research would be done to pick up on lesser known, but incredibly talented artists - btw it's unfair to use the term 'no name' which implies they are somehow unworthy of attention. If Toronto would spend less time famewhoring and more time in discovery mode they would finally get the attention they are so desperately craving by being on the cutting edge of new artists and trends instead of following blindly behind them.

Gruff G / July 13, 2010 at 11:18 am
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I only used "no name" in the context of the argument. Obviously i don't believe a person has to have a "name" to be considered a talent.

Little Bobby / July 13, 2010 at 11:29 am
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How come BlogTO is allowing people to slag Cailtin Cronenberg?

How come you're not only posting the nice comments?

In one BlogTO story you censor snarky comments, in others, you let them stand.

This site is becoming such a joke.

I don't know why I bothered to type this in. You probably won't post it because it criticizes the site.
Tim replying to a comment from Little Bobby / July 13, 2010 at 11:37 am
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Here's a link to the site's comment policy:

http://www.blogto.com/commentpolicy/
shitface / July 13, 2010 at 11:49 am
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Lol you whiners are such retards. Nine tenths of Hollywood actors are the offspring of acting royalty. Why don't you save your outrage for Walter Huston casting his kids Anjelica and Danny in his movies, Will Smith putting his kids in his movies, etc. instead of shitting on some local INTERNET publication for a measly article about some famous person's daughter's photo book?

It's one thing for people familiar with Caitlin's work to deride her. Another to assume her work has no merit just because her daddy's famous.
Little Bobby / July 13, 2010 at 11:52 am
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WHAT TYPES OF COMMENTS, IF ANY, DO YOU REMOVE FROM THE SITE?
We have zero tolerance for any comments that are deemed threatening or offensive in any way (ex. sexist, racist, profane, derogatory, dafamatory etc.) We will also remove comments that are not pertinent to the discussion at hand or serve merely as non-constructive insults to staff or fellow commenters.
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You enforce this so arbitrarily it's laughable.

The 1st three comments here on Cronenberg shit all over her and slag her for only having success because of her last name. They're not constructive. They insult the subject of the story. How come those stay?

As for the Street Style post, again, you let certain snark stay but other snark you delete. My post was no harsher than anyone else's.It's as if you take it personally that people don't like the material you present. It ain't about you. And to think that everybody is going to love everything that's posted in Street Style is ridiculous. People enjoy reading the comments as much as the articles. Stop f*cking with the comments.
mondayjane / July 13, 2010 at 12:02 pm
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Say what you want, but there is too much talent unnoticed in this city. To say that Caitlin Cronenberg's last name has little to do with the media attention she is receiving for her book - regardless of her talent or lack thereof - is simply naive.
Gruff G / July 13, 2010 at 12:13 pm
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Of course she got her start because of her name, but i don't think she continues to get attention for that reason. She has proven herself. She is self sufficient and self contained.

My point is at what point do you stop obsessing over her last name and start to focus on the art, whether you find it's good or bad.

And yet ... / July 13, 2010 at 12:17 pm
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... would there be this many comments about a self-published nude photo book if her last name *wasn't* Cronenberg?
Gruff G / July 13, 2010 at 12:19 pm
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She obviously got her start because of her name, but I don't think she continues to get attention because of it. She has established herself. She is self sufficient and self contained.

My point is, again, when do you stop obsessing over the advantages of her last name, and focus on her art, whether you like her work or not?

All the unnoticed talent should be more agressive. Toronto is full of talented artists, yes, but there are only so many journalists in town to cover them. How could they possibly be on top of everyone in the scene. Most journalists are approachable via email, social media, etc. Why not be aggressive and send your stuff for them to check out? You can't expect to be stumbled upon all the time

Derek replying to a comment from Little Bobby / July 13, 2010 at 12:35 pm
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No, Little Bobby, what's laughable is that for all your complaining, none of your comments have actually been deleted from the site -- and that's despite their lack of wit or basic sensibility.

What does happen once in a while -- horror of horrors -- is that our spam filter puts a comment into moderation before it will appear live on the site. When that happens, a human being has to manually publish it, as was done with your Street Style comment before you started this little tirade against our comment policy.

As far as enforcing that arbitrarily goes, nothing could be further from the truth. I, for instance, not only think your comments are lame, but that they represent an obvious hypocrisy in their anonymous form. And yet, we let them stand on the site because our policy is to remain as open as possible.

When a comment is deleted -- which does happen once in a while -- someone has invariably given the decision some thought, and I think that's fair shake given how much we allow.
Little Bobby / July 13, 2010 at 12:46 pm
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I fail to see any hypocrisy in my original post (that you deleted).
I guess BlogTO readers will just have to roll the dice when they comment.
Maybe you'll let it stand, or maybe you'll delete it.
Oh well.
Alicia Jarvis replying to a comment from Little Bobby / July 13, 2010 at 01:04 pm
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Of course you fail to see it, that's why you're a hypocrite. If you want credibility, don't use a fake name. And who cares if this site deletes some comments. Every newspaper and blog does this so far as I know.

As for the slagging of Cronenberg, I get the sense that many of the negative comments reveal a painful jealously on the part of their authors. So what if her father's status helped her? Would you have her not take advantage of this and instead try to accomplish nothing? I'm sure that given her resources, you'd all come up with something that blows her work out of the water?

Please.
logan / July 13, 2010 at 01:13 pm
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I agree with Sloth. Why not showcase about other Toronto based photographers that are doing the same thing but without the help of major media outlets?

For example.
http://www.stevestober.com/books/
observer / July 13, 2010 at 01:14 pm
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It's amusing to me that most of the emails with the angry tone are coming from the people defending Caitlin. Call it two schools of thought, those that are impressed by people who have 'a name' using that name to get by with their 'art' and those who don't have 'a name' doing what they love and creating even when broke because this is what they have committed to for better or worse.

These days anyone who has a microphone thinks they can sing, anyone who has a camera thinks they are a serious photographer and anyone who blogs thinks they are the next Hemingway. Enough already, let's get back to the topic at hand here. Honestly, Caitlin's work just isn't that extraordinary, what's extraordinary is the amount of attention she is getting for that work. I think those that, as you say, 'slag' her are just looking for some other examples of talent in this city that haven't already been pr'd to death.


Derek replying to a comment from sloth / July 13, 2010 at 01:24 pm
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Please visit our local artist gallery:

http://www.blogto.com/artists/

You can sort by medium and select photography.
Gruff G / July 13, 2010 at 02:14 pm
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sorry for the double post folks. the first one didn't register on my end so i felt compelled to type it again

Observer i only make opinions of artists by their work. Pure and simple. I'm glad you are one of the few here actually giving your opinion of her actual artistic output.

Again, I would encourage artists to be a little more aggressive in their efforts to be recognized.


allan / July 13, 2010 at 02:45 pm
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i wouldn't necessarily call Flickr a "Showcase" but i have had several photos "published" on blogTO from the Flickr group....good for the ego and some bragging rights...now if only blogTO would advertise my upcoming show....
allan / July 13, 2010 at 02:46 pm
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unlike Caitlin, i need all the press i can get...r even some press...
Mike / July 13, 2010 at 04:05 pm
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Reading the content in most of these posts really takes me back...to 10th grade. Great bitching everyone. Keep that bar nice and low.
red eye / July 13, 2010 at 04:25 pm
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If there is a common thread here amongst all the comments - it is their lack of perspective.

Yes, people who are related to famous people have a leg up as far is publicity is concerned. This is not really newsworthy though - Barrymore, Huston, Hilton...this list could get so long it would be ridiculous. It is hardly worth discussion.

So what would you have the girl do - hide? She made a book (and before you slag it, maybe you should asses it fully, and not based on two photos, very important in this case in particular as it is a series that must be viewed in whole) she put all her life savings into it (and she is not rich, not by a long shot, you assume because her father is successful that he is giving her fistfuls of money, but he doesn't believe in that unfortunately for her) and now she's promoting it.

Perhaps you also misunderstand what the media really does - it is not wholely an arbiter of what is good - but what is news - and like it or not folks, the girl is news.

There is a lot of jealous and a lot of bitter here. Maybe take some of that energy and go do something creative - like Caitlin did.
Fiery / July 13, 2010 at 04:30 pm
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To sloth, theword, etc.

I don't see your names on books anywhere. I suggest you publish your own book and get slammed by the critics before you think twice about what's going on here.
bob / July 13, 2010 at 04:37 pm
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If my dad were famous, I'd sit on the couch and eat cake all day... Just sayin'!
Nick Kaz / July 13, 2010 at 04:44 pm
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I hope every person who's posted something negative on this site about any person burns in hell. You are all judgmental shitfaces who are bagging on Caitlin because she's not somebody you know or care about. And I bet all who have claimed of other photographers who deserve the fame, are none other than themselves or a close personal friend of theirs, and your opinion is completely bias. Now, I'm not saying mine isn't, but Caitlin Cronenberg is the most talented photographer in Toronto to me. Not only does she snap creative pictures with unique models, but she's so down to earth and doesn't think she's better than anyone just because she has a "famous daddy" to support her career. If anybody here knew anything about Caitlin they would know that she's not in it for the fame, or the money, or to follow in her fathers footsteps, but in it because the camera us her passion. So go ahead, slander away. It's not like anybody cares what you say: This is the Internet. If you had half the balls you do commenting on this status degradingly... you can come to me and talk shit about her directly to my face. Have a nice day. :)
TheWord / July 13, 2010 at 04:50 pm
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I understand why some people on this thread are coming to Cronenberg's defense, but having looked at her work, and having at least a modicum of sense between my two ears, it is abundantly and undeniably clear that all the press she is receiving is largely - if not entirely - a result of her being a Cronenberg.

There is a plethora of other artists in this city who create much more inspiring, genuine, and just plain better, work than what we are getting from So-and-So Cronenberg. They, however, are not graced with this kind of attention. The undeniable factor here is her last name. To even suggest that it is not the primary reason behind all the press would border on insanity.

@ Fiery: If I were to publish a book I would love the critical attention. But believe me, any attention I would receive would have absolutely nothing to do with my family name - you cannot say the same about Caitlin.

@ bob: If you were rich I would rather sit on the couch and eat cake all day so I wouldn't have to be subjected to your artistic tourism and ill-founded sense of greatness. Just sayin'!
TheWord replying to a comment from Nick Kaz / July 13, 2010 at 05:04 pm
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This thread is an incredible display of how angry and irrational people getting when privilege is confronted and questioned.

@ Nick Kaz: You are a master of the extreme my friend. "Burn in hell", "best photographer in Toronto": you are clearly as ignorant as you are angry. Also, did you just try to step up to people on the internet? I'm starting to feel like I'm at a frat party with a bunch of jocks. *chest pound*
observer / July 13, 2010 at 05:06 pm
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@Nick Kaz - see what I mean about the anger?

Here are some artists doing things worth chatting about:

http://www.matthewtammaro.com/

http://angelalewis.ca/

http://www.poorbutsexy.ca/

http://www.anthonylister.com/

bob / July 13, 2010 at 05:13 pm
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mmm cake.
TheWord / July 13, 2010 at 05:19 pm
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If anything is a telling sign that this girl's status is intricately connected to how much attention she is receiving it is that Jeff Goldblum wrote the foreword on Poser.

I wish Jeff Goldblum would endorse my work - oh how I wish my daddy was famous!

it's too hot out / July 13, 2010 at 05:42 pm
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Some of you guys have mentioned other great artists in Toronto, could you name them and say where we can see their work?

I don't ask to call you out, I really genuinely want to see great art in Toronto and could use some starting points (not that blogto's artist's gallery isn't great!)
Page 6 / July 13, 2010 at 05:47 pm
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Wow - you guys are so jealous! Caitlin spent over 2 years on this book, and self-published it. It's a lesson in sticking with something, not being the daughter of someone famous.
Perhaps your jealousy is what's getting in the way of you being a BlogTo spotlight, not your unknown father.
Steve / July 13, 2010 at 05:50 pm
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I very much like the fact -- and find it refreshing -- that Toronto is a place where the culture values hard work and credibility over celebrity and connections. Time and again on BlogTO, the masses (rightfully, in my mind) call out the media for their continued over-interest in individuals with pedigree, money or both. Add me to that list.

Photography is a very cut-throat business, and Toronto is fortunate to have a large group of world-class professional photographers. As a result, it's extremely hard to get any kind of publicity, never mind a half-decent career. Understandably, there is resentment in the creative community towards someone who, at a relatively young age, with virtually no years of service toiling in the trade, appears in several media outlets. And for what? A book of nudes? Nudes are the low-hanging fruit of ideas; if anything has been overdone, it's nude photography. And surely, self-publishing is not enough of a story. It's been going on for years, and thousands of books are self-published every day.

If it was me, or you, or the girl next to you, or the pro photog who is first on the call list of every ad agency in Toronto, calling various media outlets about a "book of nude photography" that was "self-published", would we honestly get any -- any?! -- media attention? No chance. No way.

The story is her last name, pure and simple. And it's a shame, both for all the photographers in Toronto who have devoted years to become world-class (and press worthy), and to Caitlin herself -- who may in fact turn out to be a real talent with a long career in photography, but who is being handed attention on a silver platter because of her last name, not because of the skill, dedication, reputation, credibility or body of work she may in fact be more than willing to produce.
publish a book / July 13, 2010 at 06:34 pm
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ipad seems to be fast overtaking kindle as america's #1 e-reader device
Jack Grace / July 13, 2010 at 07:04 pm
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Yes her dad is famous, but if she is trying to go about it the right and honourable way and not just cash in on her last name, why does she still get ripped up?

Should Caitlin change her last name in fear that for the rest of her life, even if she wins a noble peace prize, people will just say she gets attention because of her father. Not because she is literally a work-a-holic and spends more time bettering her career than trying to complain about people who were born into "famous" families.

Just pathetic. Go do some work. Then email BlogTo until they feature you, and if they don't respond, keep trying.

She could have asked her dad for money. She didn't.

She could have asked her dad to publish her book. She didn't.

Need I remind all of you that she got up off her ass and worked hard on something and then proactively, on her own, without the help of big business, set out on a mission to make it somehow successful. That's the spirit of "INDIE". Read it and weep.

If you want BlogTO to only cover people who have absolutely no connection to anyone successful, you are going to be searching the site all night.

It's really sad how angry you all are.

For or against Caitlin getting press for her book. It's just sad. There is no need for anger. Especially involving something like "ART" as you all put it.

All these "artists" that you are claiming are so much better and deserve this and that and blah blah blah would all do the same thing if they could, and I suggest they do. Perhaps they can't be reborn into Norman Jewison's family, but they could try!

As a good friend pointed out today, Andy Warhol used to say : ""Don't pay any attention to what they write about you. Just measure it in inches." - And you guys have done great!

:)
kd replying to a comment from TheWord / July 13, 2010 at 07:08 pm
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"The problem here is obvious. If her last name wasn't Cronenberg nobody would be interested in her. C'mon BlogTo!"

If her last name wasn't Cronenberg, then YOU probably wouldn't have clicked through to read the article AND posted a comment! All you haters are hypocritical.
Jack Grace / July 13, 2010 at 07:08 pm
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oh and one more thing,

Whether intention or unintentional you have to appreciate the irony of choosing the name SOTH for one of the angry comments.

Thank you for that!
Jack Grace / July 13, 2010 at 07:09 pm
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and I spelt that wrong.

ok i'm an idiot.

SLOTH

SLOTH

SLOTH

:)

TheWord replying to a comment from kd / July 13, 2010 at 07:47 pm
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You are completely right KD. Thank you for proving my point. Nobody would be paying any attention to her or any articles about her if her name wasn't Cronenberg.

Caitlin / July 13, 2010 at 08:33 pm
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Caitlin your pretty.
Heyblogto / July 13, 2010 at 08:42 pm
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You guys censor comments here more then steven harper censors press releases geesshhhhh.
Vincent / July 13, 2010 at 09:32 pm
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I think the reason a lot of people here are coming off as jealous and generally ripping on her are, yes, her father and last name has brought her some attention - but no one would really care about that if she was truly talented.

From the two pictures I assume she picked shown here, she is quite clearly not original, nor inspired, nor talented. Lets forget a second that a book of nudes is about as new as 1850; btw, I loved it when it was done by Newton in the 60's; These pictures lack depth, mood, and even a glimmer of insight into both the photographer, and the subject. The fact that she (apparently) put a mini bio of sorts of each subject in the back of the book pretty clear states Caitlin lacks even the most basic understanding about photography.

Ok, so some are saying, "Don't judge her by just two photos!".

Why the hell not?

Everyone single time I show my portfolio, I am judged and criticized; that's why I show it; people will like it or they won't, sometimes criticism is hard to hear.

The point is, most of the people on here are saying "Why the hell did you run this story? A book of poorly photographed, uninspired, unoriginal nudes? Really? We needed that? The art world has never seen this? Must have only done the story because of daddy".

Must have only done the story because of daddy. Straight up truth.
Matt / July 13, 2010 at 10:09 pm
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Well if you think about it, she did SELF-publish it...it's not her fault media is taking notice. Its not like she used her name to get her book published in the first place. This is probably something she doesn't want: she knows ppl are going to call her out b.c of her last name.
Derek replying to a comment from Heyblogto / July 13, 2010 at 10:12 pm
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And you share his penchant for honesty...Five comments have been left on blogTO from your IP address today (with various fake names) and all five appear on the site. If you're actually having a problem commenting, please contact the editorial staff so that we can troubleshoot the problem -> editors@blogto.com
N.K / July 13, 2010 at 10:49 pm
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Nudes are fun.

When I shoot them I cover people up in sticky things! Honey is nice.

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/6582/ronifincomp.jpg

that is all.
Babur replying to a comment from bob / July 14, 2010 at 02:38 am
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AAAhahaha...LOL!!! (in response to bob's comment on July 13)

I personally just love looking at the random people's facial expressions. I feel that it's so telling to their personalities. All the people in the book, myself included, really are just random folk, although connected not so randomly by Caitlin's network.
Babur replying to a comment from Vincent / July 14, 2010 at 02:45 am
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To Vincent:

Her motive is clearly stated: To document different people's reactions to being photographed nude. I don't think she was trying to be revolutionary. She was trying to accomplish just that, which, to me, is a simple but worthy artistic intention. And I feel she was successful.
Merle Kerr / July 14, 2010 at 07:41 am
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I have heard about the launch of this amazing book by Caitlin Cronenberg and like the rest of you, probably cannot wait to have a copy. Now my soul reason for commenting, is that I have heard about the nastiness written about Caitlin (whom I should add I have never met)on this blog so it tweeked my interest to take a look, just like the rest of you. Your comments left me with the feeling that it is so sad and disturbing that here you are all voicing your mean and vulgar opinions about a young, talented artis and yet you shamefully hide behind secret identities - how cowardly to use pseudonyms!
Nick Kaz and Jack Grace said it all - bravo and the Warhol comment had it right Jack Grace - that says it all!
Caitlin continue with the good work and walk tall as a Cronenberg. Bravo!
shitface / July 14, 2010 at 08:33 am
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All this whining about Caitlin getting unfair treatment is hysterical. She's not being profiled by Vogue or The New Yorker, but by a local internet BLOG hahaha. And it's not like Random House was banging down her door to publish her stuff, she published it herself.

I personally couldn't give a shit whether some director's daughter decided to actually get off her ass and make a name for herself instead of cruising the socialite scene like most rich kids do. Save your moral righteousness for issues that are actually worth getting up in arms about. Or start up your own blog site where you can profile all the obscure artists you like. Wordpress and blogspot are free, last I heard.
Steve / July 14, 2010 at 11:07 am
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@Matt @ shitface @Jack Grace @ Nick Kaz, etc.

You're just not getting it (actually, you're choosing not to). Nobody is picking on Caitlin Cronenberg for who she's related to or where she came from, they are picking on the media who find such connections newsworthy at the expense of others who don't have a famous family name yet are much more accomplished and perhaps worthy of equal or greater coverage.

Shitface, you said it best and proved the point of all who are sounding off: "it's not like Random House was banging down her door". Exactly. Exactly. Her book was not considered good enough to be published (and so she self-published) yet she still gets massive amounts of press? And it's not just on BlogTO, it's The Star, plus several other papers. And to Shitface, this is Toronto, and many would consider Toronto Life -- where there is a significant story on Caitlin's book -- to be this city's New Yorker.

People on here are merely pointing out that they feel disappointed in BlogTO for not being beyond the celebrity fawning of the other media. But in the end, people are discussing the issue, so fair play to BlogTo in that regard.

Jack Grace replying to a comment from Steve / July 14, 2010 at 11:56 am
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@Steve

I respectfully disagree. I DO GET IT. And if you are reading the comments correctly. The people are attacking BLOGTO through Caitlin. So yes, this issue might have to do with BlogTO and publishing these stories but people ARE picking on Caitlin about her talent and the fact that she is a Cronenberg. It's in most of the comments.

I could quote the comments but I would prefer for you to read them.

You want to cry foul on the fact that BlogTO is profiling someone with a famous last name, but yet you compare Toronto Life to New Yorker. Well i'm sorry again, but the New Yorker constantly profiles people with an already famous pedigree.

BlogTO constantly talks about these less "famous" people whom you are referring too. So when they actually do a little interview with someone who happens to be born into a family who has produced a great director, you feel the need to fight back.

You really are just singing the same tune as everyone else, and by feeding the fire more, you are only creating more "story" around Caitlin.
Steve / July 14, 2010 at 12:30 pm
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@Jack Grace

Jack, the fact that she is "a Cronenberg" as you put it, is THE WHOLE POINT, so you can't fault people for mentioning it. But no one is angry about her, or *AT* her, for that. You get the name you are given, everybody understands, and as you or someone else stated, it's great that she is choosing to do something rather than float around as a lucky offspring. But people are suspicious about the perceived queue jumping, and the inordinate amount of press she is getting considering the topic, BECAUSE of her name. Clearly to many, it's simple math:

Photo book + self-published + talented = little to no press

Photo book + self-published + talented + famous last name = lots of press

C'mon, even if you do have a personal connection to the woman herself you can't deny the above is true! The posters here are merely dismayed that BlogTO would fall into that trap when there are enough mainstream media sources who will / already have.

And for the record, my equating Toronto Life to The New Yorker was merely in response to @shitface who said "she's not being profiled by the New Yorker, but by a local Internet blog". As I mentioned, in Toronto, Toronto Life would be relative to The New Yorker, so in that sense, yes, she is being profiled by a "New Yorker" type publication. I made no reference to what I thought of the New Yorker's policies or approach, but you concisely described how the New Yorker (and therefore Toronto Life, by proxy, if acknowledging the two are similar), "constantly profile people with an already famous pedigree", so thank you. I rest my case (actually, you rested my case for me.)

The "story" as you put it has nothing to do with Caitlin, but rather the resentment readers have when what would generally be considered a non-story / unworthy topic generates press because of a famous name. It's not art appreciation; it's celeb worship -- and it's nauseating. Unfortunately, Caitlin Cronenberg is now being held up as a prime example.

Steve / July 14, 2010 at 01:01 pm
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@Jack Grace

Jack, the fact that she is "a Cronenberg" as you put it, is THE WHOLE POINT, so you can't fault people for mentioning it. But no one is angry about her, or *AT* her, for that. You get the name you are given, everybody understands, and as you or someone else stated, it's great that she is choosing to do something rather than float around as a lucky offspring. But people are suspicious about the perceived queue jumping, and the inordinate amount of press she is getting considering the topic, BECAUSE of her name. Clearly to many, it's simple math:

Photo book + self-published + talented = little to no press

Photo book + self-published + talented + famous last name = lots of press

C'mon, even if you do have a personal connection to the woman herself you can't deny the above is true! The posters here are merely dismayed that BlogTO would fall into that trap when there are enough mainstream media sources who will / already have.

And for the record, my equating Toronto Life to The New Yorker was merely in response to @shitface who said "she's not being profiled by the New Yorker, but by a local Internet blog". As I mentioned, in Toronto, Toronto Life would be relative to The New Yorker, so in that sense, yes, she is being profiled by a "New Yorker" type publication. I made no reference to what I thought of the New Yorker's policies or approach, but you concisely described how the New Yorker (and therefore Toronto Life, by proxy, if acknowledging the two are similar), "constantly profile people with an already famous pedigree", so thank you. I rest my case (actually, you rested my case for me.)

The "story" as you put it has nothing to do with Caitlin, but rather the resentment readers have when what would generally be considered a non-story / unworthy topic generates press because of a famous name. It's not art appreciation; it's celeb worship -- and it's nauseating. Unfortunately, Caitlin Cronenberg is now being held up as a prime example.

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