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Curry's Artists' Materials Gets Spanked

Posted by Tim / April 17, 2009

Curry's Artists's MaterialsDid you see it? On page 11 of this week's NOW Magazine (yep, I still read it), a quarter page "ad" is crammed with text and the headline NOTICE BY CURRY'S ART STORE LIMITED REGARDING ADVERTISING PRICES. Apparently, Canada's Competition Bureau has charged one of Toronto's favourite art supply stores with misrepresenting the savings consumers could expect by purchasing some of their products.

As punishment for said misleading advertising, Curry's has been forced to publish the Corrective Notice like the one shown below in two Ontario publications (NOW Magazine being one of them), in its retail stores, web site and, for some reason, last year's Holiday Gift Guide. They have also been warned to ensure future advertising complies with the Competition Act, develop and implement a corporate compliance program AND pay a monetary penalty.

The full text of the Registered Consent Agreement can be found on the Competition Tribunal Web Site. A scan of the NOW ad is included below.

Currys Toronto

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25 Comments

Jane / April 17, 2009 at 06:37 pm
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In any case, Curry's is still much preferred over Michael's and other overpriced arts and crafts stores.
Dan / April 17, 2009 at 07:01 pm
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But not muchly preferred to good independent art supplies stores (Above Ground, Midoco and Gwartzman's all come to mind.) Curry's sucks anyway.
Hamish Grant / April 17, 2009 at 07:20 pm
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this is not the first time for them - the same sort of notice was in NOW/eye last year.
ex-employee / April 17, 2009 at 07:27 pm
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I worked for curry's as a supervisor for a few years, its about time somebody called them om this... They have also been charged for illegally importing hazardous materials over the border (packing them unsafely to save money), and they constantly mistreat their employees in a variety of ways... The local managers of the stores are good folks, but the uppermanagment are, in my opinion, strongly unethical people...

Also, the "student discount" at curry's is bullshit, its 10% off this "list price", which nothing is ever priced at anyway... The student discount rarely saves anyone money...
FC / April 17, 2009 at 07:43 pm
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I've experienced incorrect pricing coming up at the till where another price was advertised at the display numerous times. Often, when called on it, the staff have repeatedly said 'no, this is the price we have in the system'. the Markham location's brush display is particularly bad for this, sometimes advertising brushes 40-50% off, when no such discount is actually applied. I try to go only if there's something I know they sell which I know i can't get elsewhere, but this is very seldom the case these days.

As for alternatives, I agree, Above Ground is nice for student grade stuff. Synthetic brushes super cheap there. They also have a great selection of papers. It is a bit far for most people though.

I've found I also very much like Stevenson's factory outlet on Warden, just south of Ellesmere. Anything they had made for them is at least 30% off on site (IE: Stevensons brushes, paint, etc), and they have some really nice natural hair brushes for decent prices. A little hard to get to, as you MUST enter the parking lot headed southbound, but otherwise worth the trip, IMO.
ddt / April 17, 2009 at 08:53 pm
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as a graphic artist i never shop at curry's....I am still of the 80's student mindset that just knows instictively that they are overpriced.....as to the student discount, they and an old company known as Graffix were bullshit artists when it came to that....i recall their owner(Graffix) coming into the International Academy of Design saying that as a student there , a 30% discount was in effect.But when shopping there we were told that it only applied to lettraset products....who the hell used lettraset stencil in 1995?....anyways kids...your best be for selection is midoco,gwartsmans if you have patience on a saturdat afternoon, and believe it or not, dessarres (both vaughn mills and danforth).... reasonably priced( not great) but one stop shopping
t / April 17, 2009 at 08:58 pm
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it still has to be published per part of the agreement, but this happened months ago.
Lyn / April 17, 2009 at 09:14 pm
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I've had the same bad experience shopping at Curry's. I found many times the price at the display was different than what came up at the cash. I told them they had to give me the price advertised which only made my ordeal last longer as the employee slowly went back through my purchases to correct the price. Buying a few items took more than half an hour due to the wait at the cash, and in the end I had to ask for my card back as it was put down on the desk and got lost among the filth and debris covering the front desk. I never want to experience Curry's unfriendly and disappointing service again.
yammy / April 17, 2009 at 11:34 pm
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I would like to apologize ahead for the comments I am about to make, it is not normally in my nature to submit such an outburst, however I believe this one was coming.


"I f**king hate curry's crappy ass art stores...they know jack, they have jack, and they couldn't even direct jill as to where to find jack...its like this at every store...not to mention they have crappy ass service, and overpriced everything where is very little if any decent quality items to be found...the one on young & wellesley is worst of all of them...and i have visited many hoping find even decent service, product knowledge, and satisfactory products....no...i just crappy jackless nothingness every time and feel like a big idiot for even thinking i would have success..."

Thank goodness there is aboveground, gwartzmans, woolfitts, and linseed.
cee / April 17, 2009 at 11:48 pm
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currys is atrocious. the above comment wins.

aboveground, gwartzmans, woolfitts, and linseed. indeed.
Mel / April 18, 2009 at 06:18 pm
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I am really new to painting and have found Currys to be the most intimidating and least helpful art supply place. Glad to hear it isn't just me. Above Ground and gwartzmans have been great.
Donald Partridge / April 18, 2009 at 11:46 pm
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Interesting that most of the above comments show that the authors did not understand what Competition Bureau Misleading Advertising case was about. When one advertises suggested list prices as the ordinary selling price, and then advertises a discount selling price, it must either be the ordinary selling price in the geographic market as established by a survey, or it must be the store's own ordinary selling price and meet a time or volume test. It cannot be a fictitious ordinary selling price and a fictitious discount, as was the case here.

The repeated charging of a price higher than the advertised shelf price is a different offence and should be reported to the Competition Bureau. Call 1 800 642 3844 or go to: http://www.competitionbureau.gc.ca/eic/site/cb-bc.nsf/frm-eng/PJSH-6X9KQY
Donald Partridge / April 19, 2009 at 12:09 am
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To see a copy of the Competition Bureau New release see:
http://www.competitionbureau.gc.ca/eic/site/cb-bc.nsf/eng/03038.html
And teh consent order can be found at: http://www.ct-tc.gc.ca/CasesAffaires/CasesDetails-eng.asp?CaseID=305
Dev replying to a comment from Hamish Grant / April 22, 2009 at 07:55 pm
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C'mon Midoco?...Aboveground's good, but really Midoco? For me, I think Currys rates with Aboveground. And I only go to Gwartzmans if I'm in the mood for some dust and surly attitude.
A.R. replying to a comment from ex-employee / April 22, 2009 at 08:05 pm
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What store were u at? I'm at Currys all the time and i use my student card every time. In my experience i think u get 10% off pretty much everything.
Lezley Davidson / April 23, 2009 at 02:59 am
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As the Manager of Curry's Art Store in Markham I'd like to add my perspective to this dialogue.

The situation mentioned in the above ad in NOW is not a new situation but one that was brought to the company's attention in the summer of 2008. Curry's was not purposely intending to mislead, nor were we previously aware of any wrong doing in regards to our pricing and we immediately took action to correct the problem. Seriously - my staff and I had to change all the prices in the entire store as soon as humanly possible as required by the Competition Tribunal.

Curry's has since complied with all necessary action required by the Tribunal, including the above notice in NOW magazine and the notice in our 2008 Holiday Gift Guide.

It's unfortunate that sometimes on some items the price on the floor and the price in the system can be different and often that can be chalked up to human error ors computer issues. However, Curry's has a policy of honouring the price marked on the floor for the correct item in question, unless the price tag has been tampered with.

The 10% student and art club discount is a real discount off most items in the store (some items don't qualify - like magazines etc.) unless currently on promotion ie. items on sale in our current Spring Flyer are not eligible for 10% off because they are currently discounted.

I'm sorry that some of you have had negative experiences at our stores, but like everything and everywhere in life... some people are great, and other people are jerk; we resonate with some service styles, we dislike others. I'm lucky that most of my customers are really great people. Others aren't. That's life.

Good luck to you in all your creative endeavours.

Lezley Davidson
Store Manager
Curry's Art Store Markham Location
905.940.8388



Gerry S / April 24, 2009 at 01:55 pm
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I regularly buy my supplies at Currys.I noticed the statement in their holiday gift guide. For what it's worth I compare Currys prices with other stores and always find them to be very competitive.
Doug / April 29, 2009 at 01:09 am
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Hey Lezley, you asshole: the problem is not, as you imply in your last paragraph, that the customers are to blame for your staff being not well-loved. That's a poor attitude for a manager to have, and so not surprising all these complaints.
joe / May 1, 2009 at 08:35 am
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I've bought from Curry's deserres, woolfit's and Aboveground through mail order and can tell you this deserres has th eabsolute worst service i've ever seen in any mail order operation bar none .I had to call them ten times to get things straitened out they had almost none of what they advertised in their catalogue and took 3 months to fill the order.Take the money and let the customer wait .

at least curry's told me in advance when delays would happen and how long it would be .At least They gave me the option of shopping elsewhere .

They typically have better prices and andsave me the cost of shipping on my orders so it always is much cheaper than hold up artists Michaels (ever see their "list prices" ? ) and their stupid save 40% on one item only .Have you ever gone to the art supply store to buy only one item???

Aboveground is good for service most of the time but i'm not always in love with their prices compared to curry's or their line up.

Woolfitt's has a higher minimum order and their discount schedule is cumbersome and just plain stupid IMO .They have some good products but they have no compelling reason for me to place orders with them unles I'm stuck or they have something no one else has.

Curry's has some dirt chep brushes under their own name and i would avoid their hog bristles but some of their synthetics are not bad also their venetian line of acrylics is pretty good for the $$$.

No art store will ever be perfect but for most of my needs Curry's works for me .However I do find the comment from Lezley really unprofessional and irresponsible too.Calling your customers names dosen't make your staff and store policies better.

anonymous coward / November 10, 2009 at 06:13 pm
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I agree that their sales can be deceiving. The 10% student discount only ever applied to things like pencils or glue, because everything else is always 'on sale' And advertising something as being "50% off" when the 'normal price' is already 45% off does seem deceitful.

There are some stores that cater to a general public and have great customer service, and other stores focus on industry outsiders, and have next to no customer service. Some stores charge comparatively high prices and employ a lot of very helpful employees, while other stores focus on rock-bottom prices, and only hire enough staff to get the job done.

I shop around to get the best value on my materials. Not lowest price, but best value. (ultra-cheap student-brand garbage is not a good value, its a waste.) I find myself consistently returning to Curry's because they have some of the best prices on good brands. I've never had a problem with a curry's employee. Overly enthusiastic clerks make me feel uncomfortable. I come to curry's with a list, I pick up what I need, and I walk out without completely emptying my wallet, like I would at some other art stores.

If I want better customer service, I will shop elsewhere, with the knowledge that I will pay quite a bit extra for that service.
Person / February 7, 2010 at 08:44 pm
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No one is ever happy. You don't like Currys? Don't shop there douche-bags. And yes, customers can be jerks and assholes too - Ever work in retail?
Paul replying to a comment from Doug / June 1, 2010 at 11:57 am
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Yeah, that's what I was going to say.
Paul replying to a comment from Doug / June 1, 2010 at 12:01 pm
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"Yeah, that's what I was going to say." refers to Doug's comment - it takes a retail asshole to blame the customer. Retailers who don't understand this are no doubt lousy at the customer service part of their jobs.

Several decades of customer service excellence backs this perspective.
Armelle / October 25, 2010 at 12:13 am
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I've been a regular customer at Curry's on Yonge St. since the early 1980's, and I have never had a problem, and don't find them to be overpriced. I always get help and always find what I want. I don't know which location you shop at but I agree with the Manager's comment above. I have been a retail manager myself for over 30 years, and sometimes pricing errors occur in the computer. As far as getting lousy customer service, sometimes the customers bring it on themselves by treating the employees like crap- you get as good as you give. Most of them are students and working long hours for relatively low wages. Try being nice for a change and you might actually get good customer service. I speak from many years of experience.
Ron / April 24, 2012 at 07:14 pm
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Hi I want to put in my two cents worth .
I have been a Curry customer for about ten years now , I live on Van.Island in Nanaimo .
I have ordered over supplies the years and I can say their prices are better than anyone elses , Blink, Cheap Joes , Opus .
These are all mail order's phoned or emailed in . I get a conformation right away and they are always very helpful and suggest other choices . Nothing is ever damaged or lost and always has been on time to the day the order desk tells me .
The phone staff have been nothing but courtious and helpful .
May be some of you whiners should stand behind the counter and face the sense of entitlement some of you precieve to have . Believe me I have been an owner operator nearly all my life and there are days I shudder to come to work and have to face you. Just look at the amount of stock and the investment laid out . If you think it's a pleasure to serve you prima donnas , give your head a shake .
If these people don't make a profit on their investment , they won't be there very long . With a little common sense and kindness you may just find your not the only people on this earth .
I want to thank all the staff I have had the pleasure to deal with .
Curry's keep up the good work .
Ron

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